Re: [Vo]:OT (sort of) Minnesotans For Global Warming Song
OrionWorks wrote: I suspect the esteemed Mr. Malloy will get a kick out of this U-Tube video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJUFTm6cJXMeurl=http://www.google.com/reader/view/ steve Thanks Steven, that video was a treat. MN4GW has been advertising on am1280 the patriot radio station. The BBC just reported on the record cold in Afghanistan, people are loosing hands and feet. I'm not going to say it. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---
[Vo]:Re: Ocean glider uses ocean heat differentials
Indeed, it doesn't seem obvious how to extract a lot of energy from the scheme, but it might work with stationary devices (see my Ambient temperature variations powered engine post). Apart from mechanical energy (stressing a spring or lifting a weight), the diurnal expansion/shrinking cycle scheme might also produce electrical energy by pushing/pulling a piezoelectric membrane... I doubt this could compete with Nanosolar type cheap photovoltaics, or even with classical Seebeck type thermoelectric devices, but it might be worth investigating... can thermal expansion or shrinking produce a significant force BTW? How would one go about calculating this? Michel - Original Message - From: Lawrence de Bivort [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:13 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Re: Ocean glider uses ocean heat differentials But what use might this device be? Random 'walks' through the ocean, which seems to be what it is used for, but beyond that? With only one knot of speed, no matter how it was guided, the thing if caught in the Gulf Stream in Florida it would end up off the coast of Portugal before its batteries required attention. That is, if it didn't go aground before then, which with a routine depth profile of 4,000 feet it surely would, to stay forever there on the ocean bed. Lawry -Original Message- From: Michel Jullian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:18 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Re: Ocean glider uses ocean heat differentials Good point. Having air inside must be indispensable anyway to offset the weight of the metal hull and batteries. Michel - Original Message - From: Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 3:07 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ambient temperature variations powered engine? (was Re: Ocean glider uses ocean heat differentials) In reply to Michel Jullian's message of Tue, 12 Feb 2008 01:26:20 +0100: Hi, [snip] Thanks Lawrence this makes more sense, the initial BBC article and the WHOI press release stated, wrongly it now seems, that [the surface] heat is used to push oil _from a bladder inside the hull to one outside_. If it's the other way round as the WP article below suggests (oil from outside to inside at the surface), then the outside oil bladder needs not contain anything but oil as I am sure Robin will agree. [snip] While I do agree strictly, consider that the oil is incompressible, and hence always takes up the same volume (almost) whether inside or outside. If the oil can be pumped into the device, then that means that there must be something compressible inside the device, i.e. an air bladder. In short, it makes no difference where that bladder is, as long as it is part of the device. The reference I provided to the manufacturers web site, makes clear that there is at least one air bladder. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant.
Re: [Vo]:OT (sort of) Minnesotans For Global Warming Song
Thomas wrote (about the Minnesotans for Global Warming song):- Thanks Steven, that video was a treat. MN4GW has been advertising on am1280 the patriot radio station. The BBC just reported on the record cold in Afghanistan, people are loosing hands and feet. I'm not going to say it Well I will say it; Thomas is suggesting that because of the cold snap in Afghanistan that therefore global warming cannot be happening. This is because he and others seem to think global warming means that everything is going to get warmer everywhere. Only 6 days ago (7th Feb) I posted this Perhaps it would help if they were reminded that the global warming expected is only an AVERAGE figure for the whole globe. The effect will be to add more energy to the reactions and interactions of the atmospheric systems. Weather should become more extreme. Droughts will increase. Dustbowls will become more frequent. Flooding will happen more often and more severely and, also, snow storms will become worse. In addition to increases in intensity and frequency, extreme weather events will happen in places where they never used to Other Vorts posted similar comments slightly earlier. Clearly Thomas has forgotten or is turning a blind eye deliberately or is impervious to, any reasoned answers that countermand his preconceptions. Going back to the Minnesotans for Global Warming website ( http://www.m4gw.com:2005/m4gw/home.html ) this is actually quite nice and cute (although incredibly mistaken, mislead or misleading) - at least these guys have a great sense of humour. Their songs reminded me of the Bare naked Ladies song If I had a million dollars (I'd buy really expensive ketchup)!
RE: [Vo]:Re: Ocean glider uses ocean heat differentials
Good points. How is a small but powerful motion of something on a stationary platform best converted into usable energy? Lawrence -Original Message- From: Michel Jullian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 4:13 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Re: Ocean glider uses ocean heat differentials Indeed, it doesn't seem obvious how to extract a lot of energy from the scheme, but it might work with stationary devices (see my Ambient temperature variations powered engine post). Apart from mechanical energy (stressing a spring or lifting a weight), the diurnal expansion/shrinking cycle scheme might also produce electrical energy by pushing/pulling a piezoelectric membrane... I doubt this could compete with Nanosolar type cheap photovoltaics, or even with classical Seebeck type thermoelectric devices, but it might be worth investigating... can thermal expansion or shrinking produce a significant force BTW? How would one go about calculating this? Michel - Original Message - From: Lawrence de Bivort [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:13 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Re: Ocean glider uses ocean heat differentials But what use might this device be? Random 'walks' through the ocean, which seems to be what it is used for, but beyond that? With only one knot of speed, no matter how it was guided, the thing if caught in the Gulf Stream in Florida it would end up off the coast of Portugal before its batteries required attention. That is, if it didn't go aground before then, which with a routine depth profile of 4,000 feet it surely would, to stay forever there on the ocean bed. Lawry -Original Message- From: Michel Jullian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:18 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Re: Ocean glider uses ocean heat differentials Good point. Having air inside must be indispensable anyway to offset the weight of the metal hull and batteries. Michel - Original Message - From: Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 3:07 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ambient temperature variations powered engine? (was Re: Ocean glider uses ocean heat differentials) In reply to Michel Jullian's message of Tue, 12 Feb 2008 01:26:20 +0100: Hi, [snip] Thanks Lawrence this makes more sense, the initial BBC article and the WHOI press release stated, wrongly it now seems, that [the surface] heat is used to push oil _from a bladder inside the hull to one outside_. If it's the other way round as the WP article below suggests (oil from outside to inside at the surface), then the outside oil bladder needs not contain anything but oil as I am sure Robin will agree. [snip] While I do agree strictly, consider that the oil is incompressible, and hence always takes up the same volume (almost) whether inside or outside. If the oil can be pumped into the device, then that means that there must be something compressible inside the device, i.e. an air bladder. In short, it makes no difference where that bladder is, as long as it is part of the device. The reference I provided to the manufacturers web site, makes clear that there is at least one air bladder. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant.
Re: [Vo]:OT (sort of) Minnesotans For Global Warming Song
Howdy Vorts, Actually, The vid shows an RV parked in the yard. The people shown are snowbirds that live down along the Rio Grande river near Mission Texas. They travel to Minnesota each summer to raise wheat for shipment free by the US government USAID given to feed Egypt per Jimmie Carter's hand shake deal between Israel and Anwar Sadat in 1979. If you want to do the math multiply 2 ocean shiploads of freebee wheat per week since 1980. Now , if we could figure out how to transfer some money out of the raise the US Post Office will get by hiking cost of stamps to 42 centavos, we would have money for our next el presidentie uncle bama to pay for all the promises made plus his campaign expenses. If, somehow, global warming, rise in fuel prices, economy, peacekeeping in Bosnia, Iraq, Afghanistan etc get too expensive, we can always fire the EPA chief. If none of this makes a lick of sense, comeover the the Dime Box saloon and warm up with a cold one.. Richard Thomas wrote, Thanks Steven, that video was a treat. MN4GW has been advertising on am1280 the patriot radio station. The BBC just reported on the record cold in Afghanistan, people are loosing hands and feet. I'm not going to say it.
[Vo]:Re: Sez Here, Entire U.S. Could Blow Up At Any Moment
LOL :) Are you of French ascendance as your name suggests BTW? Michel - Original Message - From: Lawrence de Bivort [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Nick Palmer' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 3:40 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Sez Here, Entire U.S. Could Blow Up At Any Moment Just for the Record, MY G-D is cool with me and has promised me and my descendants for eternity all of France. I am allowed to bring up to 21 friends with me, and have decided the best way to proceed is to sell these 21 places to the highest bidder. What could be fairer? I mean, what is Eternal Salvation worth to YOU? Just think of it: Eternal Salvation, great cheeses AND great skiing! And for those winners who don't like the French or having to learn French, my plan is simply to expel them entirely.
RE: [Vo]:Re: Sez Here, Entire U.S. Could Blow Up At Any Moment
blush Oui, je l'avoue Thank G-D I have rock-solid American credentials on my mother's side. Does Michel suggest the same? Lawrence -Original Message- From: Michel Jullian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 8:59 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Re: Sez Here, Entire U.S. Could Blow Up At Any Moment LOL :) Are you of French ascendance as your name suggests BTW? Michel - Original Message - From: Lawrence de Bivort [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Nick Palmer' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 3:40 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Sez Here, Entire U.S. Could Blow Up At Any Moment Just for the Record, MY G-D is cool with me and has promised me and my descendants for eternity all of France. I am allowed to bring up to 21 friends with me, and have decided the best way to proceed is to sell these 21 places to the highest bidder. What could be fairer? I mean, what is Eternal Salvation worth to YOU? Just think of it: Eternal Salvation, great cheeses AND great skiing! And for those winners who don't like the French or having to learn French, my plan is simply to expel them entirely.
[Vo]:Re: Sez Here, Entire U.S. Could Blow Up At Any Moment
Indeed, but in my case it's more than just ascendance I am afraid :) Michel - Original Message - From: Lawrence de Bivort [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 4:11 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Re: Sez Here, Entire U.S. Could Blow Up At Any Moment blush Oui, je l'avoue Thank G-D I have rock-solid American credentials on my mother's side. Does Michel suggest the same? Lawrence -Original Message- From: Michel Jullian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 8:59 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Re: Sez Here, Entire U.S. Could Blow Up At Any Moment LOL :) Are you of French ascendance as your name suggests BTW? Michel - Original Message - From: Lawrence de Bivort [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Nick Palmer' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 3:40 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Sez Here, Entire U.S. Could Blow Up At Any Moment Just for the Record, MY G-D is cool with me and has promised me and my descendants for eternity all of France. I am allowed to bring up to 21 friends with me, and have decided the best way to proceed is to sell these 21 places to the highest bidder. What could be fairer? I mean, what is Eternal Salvation worth to YOU? Just think of it: Eternal Salvation, great cheeses AND great skiing! And for those winners who don't like the French or having to learn French, my plan is simply to expel them entirely.
[Vo]:Compressed air car
Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7241909.stm An engineer has promised that within a year he will start selling a car that runs on compressed air, producing no emissions at all in town. The OneCAT will be a five-seater with a glass fibre body, weighing just 350kg and could cost just over £2,500. It will be driven by compressed air stored in carbon-fibre tanks built into the chassis. The tanks can be filled with air from a compressor in just three minutes - much quicker than a battery car. Alternatively, it can be plugged into the mains for four hours and an on-board compressor will do the job. For long journeys the compressed air driving the pistons can be boosted by a fuel burner which heats the air so it expands and increases the pressure on the pistons. The burner will use all kinds of liquid fuel. The designers say on long journeys the car will do the equivalent of 120mpg. In town, running on air, it will be cheaper than that. SNIP
