Fw: [Vo]:The principle of the conservation of energy is farce, corrected
It's kinda funny that scientists spend so much time in theory and musing when they have the book to go by. Frank makes reference to vibration frequency. That sounds like sound.. The bible state that God said... let there be light. This is sound, vibration or whatever you choose to call it. It also makes reference to the music of the stars. This sounds like thare is a system that uses sound to keep the universe in calibration. The book of Genesis and the book of Job remain the best scientific reference textbooks on the subject of physics. Richard - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 3:34 PM Subject: [Vo]:The principle of the conservation of energy is farce, corrected The principle of the conservation of energy is not fundamental. The common belief in it is a farce. The positive energy of the universe is balanced by its negative gravitational potential. An interplay of transient interactions would holds the energy of a new system constant until the gravitational field has the opportunity to propagate to the ends of the universe. The energy contained by new mass-energy is balanced by its negative gravitational potential. So what then is preventing the production of something from nothing? Such new mass would have to conserve angular momentum. This could be done by ejecting photons (or phonons ) of opposite spins from a system. Everything that is not excluded by our conservation laws should happen. Why don’t we see this? The answer comes from the study of the path of the quantum transition. Quantum transitions occur at a dimensional frequency of one megahertz-meter. The electron spins a dimensional frequency of one megahertz meter. The spin is coupled and canceled in a Cooper pair. No residual of megahertz meter vibration remains. The paired elections do not interact with the lattice. They cannot, such an interaction is a quantum transition. Transitions do not occur when the amplidude of vibration at the dimensional frequency of 1.094 megahertz meters is zero. Superconductivity results. The spontaneous ejection of two phonons does not take place because there is no megahertz meter stimulation in the paired system. A quantum transtion cannot progress. The secret of producing something from nothing is to add vibration at the dimensional frequency of 1.094 megahertz-meters. The best place to do this is in a condensation of protons. Angular momentum is measured from another reference frame. In the single bodied early universe the concept of the conservation of angular momentum did not apply.That's how the original genesis progressed. The principle of the conservation of energy had nothing to do with it. Frank Znidarsic Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions More! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1389 - Release Date: 4/21/2008 8:34 AM
Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A friend without health insurance
Howdy Vorts, A Medivac chopper cost 15k to transport a patient 100 miles. Look around at the medical industry and notice the never ending construction of medical facilities on a huge scale. These new hospital facilities represent a new industry of unprecedented scope and costs. There is no expense spared in treating a patient and the equipment, supplies and services are so advanced that it requires skilled workers to operate simple devices. The record keeping for drugs,procedures, insurance and liability costs alone is beyond the scope of any other industry. Like the stock market and social security, the medical system is unsustainable. Most societies collapse, not from lack of planning, but from the lack of understanding the principle of the laws of human nature. The desire to stay alive. There is real money in feeding this desire... well.. err.. until.. the money runs out.. then it's every man for himself... the poor dumb saps left in Berlin after WW2 must have had some difficulty reconciling exactly what happened. However, as in Paris and London, they rose again... along with the Euro.. In the USA, we have a strangely connected atmosphere like Europe and Japan after WW2. Not caused by bombed out cities but by affluence. Moscow is another strangely connected atmosphere.. caused not by bombed out cities nor affluence.. but by criminal minds running government. The USA is now entering a triad of the above events in a strangely connected way. Richard Jeff Fink wrote: If you think health care is expensive now, just wait till it's free. Bush correctly pointed out that anyone in the U.S., even an uninsured poor person, can get healthcare at an emergency room, just as my friend did. He did not say that after a few days in the hospital you will be billed more than your net worth, and then hounded by bill collectors until they run you out of house and home. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A friend without health insurance
With the system the way it is in the US, if you need an operation for something you can get it quickly. I read that in Great Britain 30% of the people with curable colon cancer are dying from colon cancer, because, by the time the operation is scheduled it is no longer curable. You can bet that these delays do not apply to the political leaders. Top of the line medical insurance is over $12,000 per yr now in the US. I pay a fraction of that for $5000 deductible disaster insurance. The money I save in a year easily pays that deductible. The only problem I have is that I don't get the tests done that I should have done. As one example, I can't bring myself to pay $1200 out of pocket for a colonoscopy. If all these tests were free I would get them but, the waiting list would be months or years long, and the tax burden to pay for it all would be overwhelming. Medical technology has become a curse. Most of us feel like we have the right to any million dollar procedure that will extend our life a few more years as long as someone else pays for it, but ultimately that someone is you and me. We cannot afford to finance every impractical procedure that some researcher comes up with. We must put a lid on medical madness before we are all bankrupt. We will all die from something sometime. At some point we will have to let death happen. Jeff -Original Message- From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:38 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A friend without health insurance Yes Jeff, that is an argument that is always raised when some form of socialized medicine is suggested. The fact is that under no successful system is the service completely free. For example, I'm one of the lucky people who has good insurance. Nevertheless, I have to pay part of the service and I have to actually be sick to want to endure the process of seeing a doctor. However, I don't have to worry about emergencies nor not being able to afford to get well. Of course, if everyone had such insurance, more doctors would be needed to handle the increased load. Simply making more low-interest loan money available to attend medical school would eventually solve this problem. Again, this money would have to be provided by a government program because we now see what happens when the process is turned over to private companies. After all, an advancing society needs to make getting a higher education in any field much easier, so why not encourage an education in medicine along with the other options? Meanwhile, the government would be free of the influence being applied by the combination of powerful insurance and medical providers. Influence in the government would be more evenly balanced through the efforts of employers and voters. Gradually, a single payer, government run system will be created simply because all other options have obviously failed. Eventually, we will have a process similar to Social Security, but in health instead of income. Why not start sooner rather than later? How much more suffering must occur before the conclusion becomes obvious? Ed No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1390 - Release Date: 4/21/2008 4:23 PM
Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A friend without health insurance
Ed Storms wrote on 4-21-08: This is indeed a sad story, Jed, that is repeated many times each day. The basic problem is that the American people have accepted the idea that life in this country should be based mainly on the individual effort, with socialism being un-American. Liberalism, which tries to use the state to protect the individual, is considered a dirty word. These ideas are accepted by the ordinary working person even though this is not in their self-interest to do so ... Hi All, Unfortunately, using the state to protect the individual, as evidenced by our current military adventure in Iraq, founders on human greed and egotism. I have chronic Lyme disease, a condition which is claimed not to exist by powerful elements in the medical and pharmaceutical establishment. The disease is suppressed as long as I take antibiotics (which are relatively cheap when compared with the antibody destroyers used to treat, for example, multiple sclerosis and other so-called autoimmune diseases.) I know that I would not be able to legally obtain antibiotics with a centralized health care system in the United States, regardless if it fascist or socialist. Benjamin Rush, M.D., Physician to George Washington and signer of the Declaration of Independence wrote: Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution, the time will come when medicine will organize into an undercover dictatorship ... All such laws are un-American and despotic and have no place in a republic. The Constitution of this republic should make special privilege for medical freedom as well as religious freedom. Source: The Autobiography of Benjamin Rush My fear of the power of the state, which inevitably leads to corruption and despotism, compels me to work for medical freedom despite the arguments of compassion and efficiency. Jack Smith
Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A friend without health insurance
Actually, i am. I favor tolls on the goods being shipped by companies along said system using public tax dollars. on the goods, not the trucks, because the truckers have it hard enough as is. On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are opposed to a free health care system thean you must have been opposed to the free interstate highway system. Harry Jeff Fink wrote: If you think health care is expensive now, just wait till it's free. Jeff -- That which yields isn't always weak.
[Vo]:Re: Harvesting the Sargassum Sea
Hi Thomas, Welcome to the Sargasso Sea Farming club! Let's see if I understand your concept correctly, it would be a stationary sargassum farm, which would be tended to, and whose perimeter would be defined by, vertical wind turbine powered, dynamically moored, factory ships, right? Any fencing, floating nets maybe? What kind of growing surface area would this be? Also, what fuel would you convert the weeds to? How advanced is this business plan you mention? Michel - Original Message - From: thomas malloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:20 PM Subject: [Vo]:Harvesting the Sargassum Sea Michel Jullian wrote: Indeed Vorts we can do better than this: zero ship time! We already found how to seed/fertilize directly from land (e.g. from the Azores, cf quoted post below). But _even harvesting_ could be done without any ship: we could install a fixed harvesting robot, or cluster of harvesting robots, at the Eye (where the crop converges automagically by vortical effect, remember?), connected to an underwater Sea Line (not necessarily resting on the deep ocean bottom: with an ad hoc anchoring scheme it could be arranged to float in midwater say at 100m depth to save on total length) which would convey the harvest, whether raw or pre-processed of fully processed to biofuel, to the nearest land (e.g. Bermuda). I'm working on a business plan for harvesting sea weeds and processing it into fuel. Any input would be appreciated. BTW, we're looking for people with experience to be a part of the team. I'm wondering about fertilizing and tending the crop of sea weed. My farming experience tells me that the yield of crop is dramatically increased by fertilizing and planting improved seed. I'm also wondering about ships built like buoys. With a vertical axis turbine sticking up. They would position themselves by GPS and maintain their positions around the perimeter of the farm. They would spread fertilizer which could be acquired, at least in part, by dropping a hose into the deep ocean. I'm wondering if a support is required, OTOH, the sea weeds seem to be doing perfectly well in the open ocean. One of the buoys could have the factory on it. It could open up during normal weather and close up during storms. I assume that the refinery will produce lots of toxic gas, not as much as a petroleum refinery, but it will be necessary to vent it. I suppose that we will have to get a legal adviser with expertise in maritime law to advise us on the intricacies of doing commercial operations on the high seas. I like the idea of a robot factory, OTOH, at $125 per barrel oil, a ship load of oil, with only robots defending it, would be a prize for pirates. I think that there will be plenty of maintenance work, in addition to guard duties. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A friend without health insurance
Jeff Fink wrote:- I read that in Great Britain 30% of the people with curable colon cancer are dying from colon cancer, because, by the time the operation is scheduled it is no longer curable Where did you read this? It doesn't sound like the National health Service I know. It's possible that this means that 30% die because they are diagnosed too late but this doesn't mean that surgery is delayed once diagnosis is made. Here is a 2004 link to stuff they are doing to improve diagnosis.Links within it suggest that any trouble may be with GPs not referring people early enough for further investigation. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3957531.stm
Re: Fw: [Vo]:The principle of the conservation of energy is farce, corrected
Howdy Richard, It's kinda funny that scientists spend so much time in theory and musing when they have the book to go by. Frank makes reference to vibration frequency. That sounds like sound.. The bible state that God said... let there be light. This is sound, vibration or whatever you choose to call it. It also makes reference to the music of the stars. This sounds like thare is a system that uses sound to keep the universe in calibration. The book of Genesis and the book of Job remain the best scientific reference textbooks on the subject of physics. Richard Metaphorically speaking. Unfortunately, too many scientists are tone deaf. ;-\ Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A friend without health insurance
Harry Veeder wrote: If you are opposed to a free health care system thean you must have been opposed to the free interstate highway system. Winston Churchill proposed a better analogy for universal free healthcare. He said it is like the fire department. He said, as I recall: * When a house is on fire, the fire department goes at once, without stopping to ask if the owner is rich or poor. * A fire is never voluntary; people do not want their house to burn down. Disease also strikes at random and the victim does not want or ask to be sick. * It benefits the whole of society to put out fires and cure disease quickly. I believe the U.K. adapted universal health care partly as a result of their experiences in WWII. Jeff Fink wrote: If you think health care is expensive now, just wait till it's free. It should be around 60% cheaper, based on results in all other first world countries. Mind you, healthcare costs are increasing worldwide, in Europe and in Japan. Costs are ~60% less than the U.S. but they are still rising. In Japan it is a major problem. Fink wrote that the death rates in the U.K. for colon cancer are higher because treatment is delayed, or rationed. First, this is incorrect. For the population as a whole, mortality rates from most diseases are lower in the U.K. than the U.S. Colon cancer rates are about the same in both countries; 19 or 20 per 100,000 (see the two links below). Mortality rates for colon cancer are declining in the U.K. See Figs. 1.5 and 1.7 here: http://info.cancerresearchuk.org/cancerstats/types/bowel/incidence/ U.S. rates, 19 per 100,000: http://www.statehealthfacts.org/comparemaptable.jsp?cat=2ind=585 Second, healthcare is rationed everywhere, most severely in the U.S. It is rationed here by scarcity, rather than by plan. Many poor people cannot afford to go to the doctor, so they often suffer or die from treatable disease. Sometimes they go after the disease has become very serious, and then they are bankrupted by the system, which -- as I said -- may charge a patient his entire net worth in a few days. Healthcare costs are the largest cause of middle-class bankruptcy. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A friend without health insurance
Jed Rothwell wrote: Sometimes they go after the disease has become very serious, and then they are bankrupted by the system, which -- as I said -- may charge a patient his entire net worth in a few days. Healthcare costs are the largest cause of middle-class bankruptcy. Ironically, I've read recently that the same thing is true in the worker's paradise of China. Government initiatives to provide universal health care -- Mao's barefoot doctors program -- are a thing of the past, and these days it's mostly pay as you go. Consequently health care costs are a leading cause of destitution in China today. It is glorious to become rich, said Deng ... flip side: It is terrible to remain poor in China today
[Vo]:A toll on trucks is the same as a toll on goods
leaking pen wrote: Actually, i am. I favor tolls on the goods being shipped by companies along said system using public tax dollars. on the goods, not the trucks, because the truckers have it hard enough as is. We already charge trucks for the use of public highways. They pay road taxes. As far as I can tell, toll by goods is the same as toll by trucks. It is more convenient and rational to charge truckers by the ton, without taking into account what kind of cargo they carry, because road wear is proportional to the weight of the vehicle and cargo. As long as all truckers are charged the same rates, and none escape without paying, this should not increase the economic burden on truckers. It may decrease their overall business if freight is sent by rail instead. (Railroad companies maintain their own roads, and charge enough to cover road maintenance.) - Jed
Re: [Vo]:theory behind hydroxy gas production using Stanley Meyers unit
--- In further reply to Robin van Spaandonk's reply to Thomas Malloy's message: Yes, there is a signature for hydrino activity, and it is EUV radiation in particular spectra. EUV is not expected in electrolysis or combustion, nor is it evident visually like light photons (which would tend to mask it). Finding EUV requires a special photocell, placed in a cell closed to the reaction (using a pinhole) as the radiation will not go through a window of any kind. It is more like gamma radiation, but less penetrating. Extreme ultraviolet light is not seen in chemical processes; and if it occurs robustly, then that would be an excellent clue. In a high voltage plasma, EUV can be be expected without hydrinos, but there are specific spectra which are multiples of 27.2 eV which are the important clue, according to Mills' CQM theory; and these energy levels should stand out very clearly in hydrino situations. However, since the hydrino (deuterino) is one of the possible explanations for LENR itself, or more like a partial explanation (in the sense that it could be precursor-to an actual nuclear reaction) then it would not necessarily differentiate the two classes, which I believe was the intent of the original question. Which brings up one very important point which I have never seen addressed before wrt deuterium fusion. We (including the mainstream) know that the Farnsworth Fusor produces lots of neutrons at a fraction of the normal threshold energy for spallation or fusion, even though it is far from breakeven. ...so one wonders if EUV is present there (Fusor), and to what degree, and in what energy levels ? Mills, or BLP, or the CQM theory, could take a giant step towards mainstream credibility, possibly exceeding *everything* he has done in his prior 19 years of experiment (and by a very wide margin in the eyes of the mainstream) IF he were to look for, and to find his signature spectra of EUV coming from an operating Fusor. This would be HUGE, and IMHO it would open the floodgates of funding. At his burn-rate, this could be important. He must know this, however, and possibly has tried and failed to find EUV there... Which does not disprove anything. But if he has not looked for it, I would urge Mike or anyone who has his ear to strongly encourage him to do so... ... (even though he in well-known to have this strong and irrational aversion to LENR, of the PF variety)... but, it should be noted that the Fusor is technically NOT a facet of LENR, but has heretofore been assumed to be a fact of hot fusion (even if called warm fusion). Now is the time, Randy ... saddle up ... ever since the SPAWAR results, even though they are not unquestioned, they have raised the credibility level of LENR above the hydrino, in everyone's eyes (mainstream of physics) at least those who will take a dispassionate look at the evidence for both, and it is time for a competitive response ... Jones (saddle up is a bit of trivia for you cinema fans, who may have seen the Michael Clayton movie and not grasped the metaphor of the tree horses) Hi, Well,let me put it another way. if someone were attempting to get an LENR reactor to work. Let's suppose that it worked, measurable anomalous heat out put. Then they built a hydrino generator and bubbled the out put gas into the LENR cell, and it worked measurably better. How would that be for proof? I would say that it would be very interesting, but would want to know a few more details.
Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A friend without health insurance
On 22/4/2008 9:29 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Harry Veeder wrote: If you are opposed to a free health care system thean you must have been opposed to the free interstate highway system. Winston Churchill proposed a better analogy for universal free healthcare. He said it is like the fire department. He said, as I recall: * When a house is on fire, the fire department goes at once, without stopping to ask if the owner is rich or poor. * A fire is never voluntary; people do not want their house to burn down. Disease also strikes at random and the victim does not want or ask to be sick. * It benefits the whole of society to put out fires and cure disease quickly. I believe the U.K. adapted universal health care partly as a result of their experiences in WWII. The problem with that analogy is that healthcare is more than just putting out fires. There is the matter of fire prevention and coping with the after effects of a fire. However, this may explain why health care costs are rising because we demand more from our health care system which was originally designed to cover the costs of emergency management only. Harry
Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A friend without health insurance
Harry Veeder wrote: Winston Churchill proposed a better analogy for universal free healthcare. He said it is like the fire department. . . . The problem with that analogy is that healthcare is more than just putting out fires. There is the matter of fire prevention and coping with the after effects of a fire. . . . Well, it is only an analogy after all. Not a perfect fit. As you point out fire prevention (inspections, smoke alarms and so on) is somewhat analogous to preventive health care and regular checkups. - Jed
[Vo]:MPI Staff
I saw this on overunity.com: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4167.0.html Re: Magnetic Power Inc - second Patent pending « Reply #13 on: April 18, 2008, 03:58:00 AM » Quote @Pennies I appreciate your attention to detail! I hadn't noticed that they took Graham out of the executive summary. He must have been removed this month. And the fact that Graham pulled out of the Magnetic Conference...it all points to him leaving the company. Here was the title of his presentation, which was on the Magnetic Conference site: The Magnetomechanical Effect: New Products and Materials in the Magnetics Industry for Pressure Sensors, transducers, and Energy Harvesting Graham Gunderson, Senior Development Engineer, Magnetic Power, Inc. Maybe Mark could comment here. end Energy Harvesting. Interesting term. Anyone know where GG is? If he's looking for a job, I might know of one perfectly suited for him. Terry
Re: [Vo]:theory behind hydroxy gas production using Stanley Meyers unit
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Tue, 22 Apr 2008 07:26:58 -0700 (PDT): Hi, [snip] In a high voltage plasma, EUV can be be expected without hydrinos, but there are specific spectra which are multiples of 27.2 eV which are the important clue, according to Mills' CQM theory; and these energy levels should stand out very clearly in hydrino situations. Actually, the frequencies that one might expect lie halfway between the 27.2 multiples. e.g. 13.6 eV 40.8 eV 68.0 eV etc. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant.
