[Vo]:Re: New ENERGY TIMES (tm) May 10, 2008 -- Issue #28
A person or thing put into place in order to mislead or function secretly ? http://www.thefreedictionary.com/plant Bush is such a plant, is that what your signature means? Had always wondered too, was blaming my English. Michel - Original Message - From: Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 12:52 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:New ENERGY TIMES (tm) May 10, 2008 -- Issue #28 In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Thu, 15 May 2008 14:08:54 -0400: Hi, [snip] On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 1:55 PM, Steven Krivit [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why is the shrub always a plant? I think it is Donk's way of saying that your president (bush/shrub) is no smarter than any occupant of the rose garden. [snip] plant has second meaning in US slang. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant.
Re: [Vo]:Britain reveals UFO documents
rant Howdy Richard and Robin, Must be a slow day in Vortexland. Once again distinguished participants have been reduced to talking about those strange squiggly lights seen in the night time skies! ;-) It would seem from my perspective that the so-called UFO phenomenon is ubiquitous to the human psyche. Historical accounts abound of strange encounters from just about every time period and culture. I used to be more rabid in my enthusiasm when talking about the subject of UFOs. Apparently, UFOs weren't listening to my rants, and as such, I've settled down a bit. Will we ever know the answer? Is the truth out there in Muldareland? Does Cold Fusion exist? Do hydrinos exist? Is there truly excess heat emanating from BLP's new breakthrough process involving a new solid fuel? Will we eventually see cheap space heaters using the patented BLP process or perhaps an equally exotic CF process selling like hotcakes off of Wall-Mart's shelves? Will I someday have a magic electric box the size of a cloths hamper lurking down in the corner of my basement supplying my household with up to 25kw of continuous electricity? Will gas soon once again sell for less than twenty five cents a gallon? Questions, questions, questions! Perhaps I'll be in a better mood after I see Spamalot tonight. Ni! /rant Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:Biomimicry redux
Hey Col. Cathcart and other vorticians, Are you ready for a major, major development in the field of baking ? Ha, here's the catch ... and it reads more like biomimicry reflux than redux. Begin with baking soda. Yup. Good-old sodium bicarbonate- NaHCO3- which is the natural salt found worldwide in vast desert deposits of soda ash or in the mineral natron or trona. Although it will not burn, and seems fully oxidized, that conclusion could be a bit hasty, due to new RD from China (RoC). BTW NaHCO3 is also a candidate mineral for CO2 capture (and in facilitating Algoil production) but that is another story (albeit the story which actually led to this posting). Often this mineral trona is found in dry lake beds- in places like Death Valley... but if you read on, the case can be made now that this desolate place is more like Life Valley in that in the numerous hot springs there, we find a mirror image of the way life may have begun on earth ;-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inyo_County%2C_California This spot in the West has enough of the stuff (trona) to supply the US demand for oil for centuries ... fonly (fonly = if only = ~Catch-22). How so? Next we must add-in the factor known as relfux (hydrothermal chemistry)... It all goes back to the basic class of carbohydrate chemicals called 'phenols' and the natural process known as 'hydrothermal chemistry' and the fact that phenols can be formed from soda directly in certain natural conditions !! (that is the new claim) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflux If you think about the implications, this is huge Four billion years ago, it now seems likely that life on earth (or the 'feedstock' for life) began from phenols and from derivative proteins which them self were first made naturally in hot springs from natron via the process of hydrothermal chemistry. Thus the biomimicry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenol#Hydrothermal_chemistry BTW: Phenols -or more precisely: fuels easily derived from them, burn like diesel oil but are just as valuable for plastics and other products. Now down to the nitty-gritty. Here is the recent journal article (letter) of interest (from Taiwan): http://pubs.acs.org/cgi-bin/abstract.cgi/orlef7/2007/9/i10/abs/ol070597o.html Hydrothermal Reactions from Sodium Hydrogen Carbonate to Phenol Tian, Yuan, et al. Now- you tell me- am I reading too much into the energy implication of this development ? Maybe. This is NEW RD- possibly groundbreaking- possibly even of Nobel caliber, and yet as of now NOT widely accepted (or even widely known among biochemists) in the USA -- (part of the 'not invented here' syndrome?). Even the authors do not seem to comprehend the implications. Anyway- If the article and experiment are accurate - and is soon duplicated, then this could be a MAJOR MAJOR development towards energy independence... in the end, it all gets back to 'supply-and-demand' right? And no one knew that M.O. better than a fictional opportunist ... speaking of which (Major Major): where is Joseph Heller when we need him? It's been 47 dry years since we have had reading material of that caliber ... which for some of us is a greater national disgrace than the anemic official response at DoE to the energy crisis (and the snubbing of LENR) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_Major_Major_Major Happy Baking, Jones
RE: [Vo]:Re: New ENERGY TIMES (tm) May 10, 2008 -- Issue #28
Greetings, all, Without anticipating Robin's response, it seems to me that Bush as a 'plant' in the quoted sense is right on target. Having observed US presidencies closely for several decades, I can say that I have never seen a US President so easily and egregiously manipulated by others, in this case the Middle East-focused neocons (led by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz), and the Christian evangelicals (led by Karl Rove). Counting down to January '09 And then will come the immense but essential job of undoing the damage of these last eight years and rebuilding a positive role for the US in the world. Lawrence -Original Message- From: Michel Jullian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 3:39 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Re: New ENERGY TIMES (tm) May 10, 2008 -- Issue #28 A person or thing put into place in order to mislead or function secretly ? http://www.thefreedictionary.com/plant Bush is such a plant, is that what your signature means? Had always wondered too, was blaming my English. Michel - Original Message - From: Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 12:52 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:New ENERGY TIMES (tm) May 10, 2008 -- Issue #28 In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Thu, 15 May 2008 14:08:54 -0400: Hi, [snip] On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 1:55 PM, Steven Krivit [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why is the shrub always a plant? I think it is Donk's way of saying that your president (bush/shrub) is no smarter than any occupant of the rose garden. [snip] plant has second meaning in US slang. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant.
[Vo]:More rejection!
CNN.com Breaking news: Saudi Arabia has rejected a plea from President Bush to increase oil production, a top White House aide said today. Those darn white house guys! What will they think up next! Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:More rejection!
Even in Saudi Arabia Bush is a lame duck. Hm...I wonder if the Saudi response has anything to do with Bush's lovefest with Israel??? -Original Message- From: OrionWorks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 11:40 AM To: vortex-l Subject: [Vo]:More rejection! CNN.com Breaking news: Saudi Arabia has rejected a plea from President Bush to increase oil production, a top White House aide said today. Those darn white house guys! What will they think up next! Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Biomimicry redux
Howdy Jones, Tiawan and phenols... a lot to digest for today, perhaps a small glass of water with a dash of bi-carb would help my digestion. You are going somewhere with this post and I am waiting with baited breath.. which my mother said was helped if I brushed my teeth with salt and soda. As I recall from my chem lab experiment gone horribly wrong when the soda compound pressure exceed the vessel's captive limits.. and went Ka-blooey!.. there is also a pressure component in producing phenol. Tell us. oh wizard.. the next act in the drama.. You are correct in your thesis that this discovery may be much grandeur than much we have hoped for in new energy thinking. Richard
Re: [Vo]:New ENERGY TIMES (tm) May 10, 2008 -- Issue #28
It may be of a side interest here that Kasagi produced up to 17 MeV protons from the (assumed) reaction: D + D + D - p + n + alpha + 21.62 MEV via bombardment of a deuterium loaded titanium rod target with deuterium ions at up to 150 KeV. See: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg01517.html Note also that the above post is coincidentally relevant also to Jones Beene's phenol discussion in the thread [Vo]:Biomimicry redux. It could be that an effective means of co-deposition involves use of a bicarbonate of soda electrolyte, containing iron catalyst, at 200 C and high pressure. On May 15, 2008, at 9:55 AM, Steven Krivit wrote: Robin, I have discussed this with the author of the article and you are correct, we will issue a correction in the next issue of NET. Shall we credit you for noticing this? Why is the shrub always a plant? Steve At 12:26 PM 5/13/2008 +1000, you wrote: In reply to Steven Krivit's message of Sun, 11 May 2008 23:10:06 -0800: Hi, [snip] 1. http://newenergytimes.com/news/2008/ NET28.htm#FROMEDOpinion: Fusion of deuterium into helium-4 gives a yield of 17 MeV. No it doesn't. It gives a yield of 23.85 MeV. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant. Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
[Vo]:Italian newspaper reports on upcoming Arata demonstration
See: http://www.ilsole24ore.com/art/SoleOnLine4/Tecnologia%20e%20Business/2008/05/fusione-fredda-soluzione-vicina.shtml?uuid=ffa45366-229b-11dd-a2c2-0e25108cDocRulesView=LiberofromSearchhttp://www.ilsole24ore.com/art/SoleOnLine4/Tecnologia%20e%20Business/2008/05/fusione-fredda-soluzione-vicina.shtml?uuid=ffa45366-229b-11dd-a2c2-0e25108cDocRulesView=LiberofromSearch Il Sole 24 ORE.com Fusione fredda: è vicina la soluzione del mistero? di Giuseppe Caravita La fusione fredda esce finalmente da quel limbo, un po' eretico e marginale, in cui viveva quasi da vent'anni, dopo i primi clamorosi annunci di Fleischmann e Pons? . . . See version translated by Google from Italian into English, below. - Jed - - - - - - - - - - - - Cold Fusion is near solving the mystery? Joseph Caravita 15 MAY 2008 Cold Fusion to levied (Ludovica Manusardi Carlesi) The cold fusion finally comes out from that limbo, a little 'heretic and marginal, where he lived nearly twenty years after the first sensational ads Fleischmann and Pons? I know with greater certainty in a week, the upcoming May 22, the date set by the team at the University of Osaka that has stubbornly continued searches, and now wants to publicly display its revolutionary reactor to work, with lots of excess heat measurable reaction and repeatable. E 'for about three months that the international community of researchers cold fusion is in turmoil. Something new, and perhaps decisive is in the air. Yoshiaki Arata, for twenty years the flag of scholars (often malfinanziati, and with enough Watched by colleagues) is the designated hero. Its sophisticated technology, able to imprison nanoparticles of palladium and then store them inside molecules deuterium up to pressures that generate the nuclear fusion of hydrogen, conferemerebbe however (and vendicherebbe to some extent) the first, but incauti, ads Fleischmann and Pons twenty years ago. When precisely proclaimed to the world that were able to merge into a cathode of palladium atoms of hydrogen, except then fail to repeat, if not randomly and for short duration, the miraculous process. It will be in Japan in solving the mystery? Surely on this trench, many compared all'alchimia or parapsychology, have also resisted Italian researchers, all'Infn, all'Enea and in some universities. If in Osaka everything goes well, will surely leave by semiclandestinità. And perhaps Italy you will have, suddenly, the second school scientific world on a strategic border.
Re: [Vo]:New ENERGY TIMES (tm) May 10, 2008 -- Issue #28
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Thu, 15 May 2008 14:08:54 -0400: Hi, [snip] On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 1:55 PM, Steven Krivit [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why is the shrub always a plant? I think it is Donk's way of saying that your president (bush/shrub) is no smarter than any occupant of the rose garden. [snip] plant has second meaning in US slang. The President is, IMHO, a double minded man (who is unstable in all his ways). It would appear that he has an alt. Rumor has it that the alt has a homosexual lover (butt buddy), that personality is clearly not the Christian family man that the dominate personality claims to be. When George H W was inaugurated many Regan appointees were summarily dismissed by the transition team. That team was headed by George W. IMHO, that anecdote speaks volumes, particularly given the free spending, globalist, government expanding, behavior of his administration. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:New ENERGY TIMES (tm) May 10, 2008 -- Issue #28
This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like chrysolite, I've heard allusions to beryl and sapphire, a blue glow, sort of like spent nuclear fuel rods in water, eh? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:Biomimicry redux
--- Richard, Tell us... the next act in the drama... Well, it's no secret that if a mild thermo-chemical reaction can pull this off (unaided) in a simple warm refluxing situation, even if it is at a low yield-- then it is very reasonable to believe that single cell organisms (GM or natural) should be up to the task of doing the same thing more efficiently. GM in this case stands for genetic modification. There could be natural single-cell life already evolved to do this, even with the toxicity involved -- and if so, then it would likely be advantageous to hybridize that kind of bacteria to do the reaction as efficiently as possible (with or without solar input). There are plenty of thermophilic algae from hot springs and at ocean vents, with which to expand the gene pool. I haven't had time to look into this more deeply, so to speak, but in following the alternative-energy scene for the past twenty years, I have yet to see it mentioned (i.e. the concept of using bacteria/algae to convert soda into phenol). I would have guessed, prior to today, that it was totally impossible (and am not yet convinced that it is doable). BTW I am using the common term soda to mean any sodium+carbon based salt, primarily baking soda; and phenol to mean (very loosely) any oxygenated 6-ring based carbohydrate. The unspoken variable is cost. Soda is very much like sand - in that the cost of it is almost entirely in transportation, so it would be imperative to do the conversion process of soda into phenols at the site of the soda, even if the water must be trucked in. Even if the yield remains low at only a few percent (soda into phenol), the net cost could be extremely low. Needless to say, free and abundant heat is no problem in most of the very same places where natron is found. Water is the big limitation. Anyone ready to check-out Death Valley in the summer ? Jones
Re: [Vo]:More rejection!
This is a political ploy by the Administration. Everyone knows that Saudi cannot increase production. They are already past their peak and are now to the point of damaging their existing fields by steam injection milking methods. Terry On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 11:39 AM, OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CNN.com Breaking news: Saudi Arabia has rejected a plea from President Bush to increase oil production, a top White House aide said today. Those darn white house guys! What will they think up next! Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Biomimicry redux
One of the better things about Vortex is looking back through the archives. Sometimes this can be embarrassing (i.e. consistent misspellings and other hasty-puddin' mistakes by moi) but at other times, one is struck by the clarity of old insight - most of which was never acted-upon (at least not to the degree which would happen in a perfect world) Such is the posting of Horace Heffner- mentioned in the carbon-transmutation thread: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg01517.html and the entire thread beginning here: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg01218.html I am still trying to sort out the variables involved in the several anomalies which have been mentioned, both chemical and (possibly) nuclear, but it goes without saying that alternative-carbon (to distinguish it from coal and/or petroleum carbon) with or without deuterium and LENR, may offer on of the most expedient solutions to solving at least a significant part of the energy crisis Jones
Re: [Vo]:More rejection!
Terry Blanton wrote: This is a political ploy by the Administration. Everyone knows that Saudi cannot increase production. You are wrong! You cynical person, you. The Washington Post says: Saudis Announce Slight Increase in Oil Output Officials say kingdom will boost oil production by about 300,000 barrels a day to meet increased demand from customers next month. . . . See? They are our friends, after all. They love us. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:More rejection!
Well, I stand corrected. How much is seawater? :-) Terry On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Terry Blanton wrote: This is a political ploy by the Administration. Everyone knows that Saudi cannot increase production. You are wrong! You cynical person, you. The Washington Post says: Saudis Announce Slight Increase in Oil Output Officials say kingdom will boost oil production by about 300,000 barrels a day to meet increased demand from customers next month. . . . See? They are our friends, after all. They love us. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Biomimicry redux
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Fri, 16 May 2008 07:45:06 -0700 (PDT): Hi, [snip] Now down to the nitty-gritty. Here is the recent journal article (letter) of interest (from Taiwan): http://pubs.acs.org/cgi-bin/abstract.cgi/orlef7/2007/9/i10/abs/ol070597o.html Hydrothermal Reactions from Sodium Hydrogen Carbonate to Phenol Tian, Yuan, et al. Now- you tell me- am I reading too much into the energy implication of this development ? Maybe. [snip] One is forced to wonder where all the Oxygen went. Without having read the actual paper, my guess would be that it combined with the Fe to form Fe2O3 (rust). After all, something had to reduce the CO2 in bicarbonate. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant.
Re: [Vo]:New ENERGY TIMES (tm) May 10, 2008 -- Issue #28
- Original Message - From: thomas malloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:New ENERGY TIMES (tm) May 10, 2008 -- Issue #28 Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Thu, 15 May 2008 14:08:54 -0400: Hi, [snip] On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 1:55 PM, Steven Krivit [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why is the shrub always a plant? I think it is Donk's way of saying that your president (bush/shrub) is no smarter than any occupant of the rose garden. [snip] plant has second meaning in US slang. The President is, IMHO, a double minded man (who is unstable in all his ways). It would appear that he has an alt. Rumor has it that the alt has a homosexual lover (butt buddy), that personality is clearly not the Christian family man that the dominate personality claims to be. When George H W was inaugurated many Regan appointees were summarily dismissed by the transition team. That team was headed by George W. IMHO, that anecdote speaks volumes, particularly given the free spending, globalist, government expanding, behavior of his administration. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1446 - Release Date: 5/16/2008 7:42 AM
Re: [Vo]:Biomimicry redux
- Original Message - From: Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Biomimicry redux In reply to Jones Beene's message of Fri, 16 May 2008 07:45:06 -0700 (PDT): Hi, [snip] Now down to the nitty-gritty. Here is the recent journal article (letter) of interest (from Taiwan): http://pubs.acs.org/cgi-bin/abstract.cgi/orlef7/2007/9/i10/abs/ol070597o.html Hydrothermal Reactions from Sodium Hydrogen Carbonate to Phenol Tian, Yuan, et al. Now- you tell me- am I reading too much into the energy implication of this development ? Maybe. [snip] One is forced to wonder where all the Oxygen went. Without having read the actual paper, my guess would be that it combined with the Fe to form Fe2O3 (rust). After all, something had to reduce the CO2 in bicarbonate. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1446 - Release Date: 5/16/2008 7:42 AM
Re: [Vo]:Biomimicry redux
- Original Message - From: Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Biomimicry redux In reply to Jones Beene's message of Fri, 16 May 2008 07:45:06 -0700 (PDT): Hi, [snip] Now down to the nitty-gritty. Here is the recent journal article (letter) of interest (from Taiwan): http://pubs.acs.org/cgi-bin/abstract.cgi/orlef7/2007/9/i10/abs/ol070597o.html Hydrothermal Reactions from Sodium Hydrogen Carbonate to Phenol Tian, Yuan, et al. Now- you tell me- am I reading too much into the energy implication of this development ? Maybe. [snip] One is forced to wonder where all the Oxygen went. Without having read the actual paper, my guess would be that it combined with the Fe to form Fe2O3 (rust). After all, something had to reduce the CO2 in bicarbonate. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1446 - Release Date: 5/16/2008 7:42 AM
Re: [Vo]:Britain reveals UFO documents
In reply to OrionWorks's message of Fri, 16 May 2008 08:46:51 -0500: Hi, [snip] hotcakes off of Wall-Mart's shelves? Will I someday have a magic electric box the size of a cloths hamper lurking down in the corner of my basement supplying my household with up to 25kw of continuous electricity? I already have the design for the box, but no one seems to be interested in helping me construct a prototype. BTW, in it's current form, it wont be standing in your basement, though a replacement for your local electric sub-station is not out of the question. Maximum theoretical COP allowed by the process itself is 2356, though there will be losses incurred in a real device. No radioisotopes produced, and no neutrons. This is a clean reactor. Primary fuel is Deuterium. Will gas soon once again sell for less than twenty five cents a gallon? Let's hope not - we would never see the end of noxious city air. ;) I would prefer bettery powered vehicles recharged anywhere for next to nothing from a grid supplied by fusion power. I envisage drive-in style parking lots at supermarkets, where instead of a speaker hanging on a post, there is a cable the one plugs into ones vehicle while shopping, and one drops a coin in the slot to pay for the power. Should provide a nice extra source of income for the supermarkets, and hence they should spring up all over the place. Rapid charging via high voltage low current. Specially insulated connector normally has no power connected to it. This is only turned on once a proper connection with the vehicle has been established (built in (encrypted?) fool-proof signal switch), and the coin has been dropped in the slot. In fact if everyone has their own encrypted code (PKE - built into the vehicle), then no coin is needed, and one's account can be charged directly. This also prevents misuse. [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant.
