Re: [Vo]:WSJ blog notes 60 Minutes

2009-04-27 Thread Steven Krivit
If you don't realize that it's happening, the spinning of lies and coverups is seductive, since we ourselves might be tempted to excuse even the most dishonest of anti-CF bigotry as just people people being human. Hey Steve K, you say in

Re: [Vo]:WSJ blog notes 60 Minutes

2009-04-27 Thread William Beaty
On Sun, 26 Apr 2009, Steven Krivit wrote: In the meantime, I can offer you another piece that explicitly identifies some of the humans and exposes the problems they created. http://www.newenergytimes.com/v2/reports/ColdFusionShortStory.shtml Excellent! Here's something nobody ever

Re: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear

2009-04-27 Thread leaking pen
No, its to avoid putting additional co2 and other such chemicals into the environment. the algae is all gas that has been removed from the environment. nice cycle. Remember, those of use that actually use logic know that a single approach will not work. On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Harry

Re: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear

2009-04-27 Thread Horace Heffner
On Apr 26, 2009, at 7:45 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: If you want a reliable and continous supply of power, solar and wind will not give you that unless you can figure out how to store the generated power cost effectively. Harry Here are some thoughts along those lines:

Re: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear

2009-04-27 Thread grok
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 If you want a reliable and continuous supply of power, solar and wind will not give you that unless you can figure out how to store the generated power cost effectively. Harry Same deal as regards to ekonomies of skale, as I alluded to --

Re: [Vo]:WSJ blog notes 60 Minutes

2009-04-27 Thread grok
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com mounted the barricade and roared out: Here's something nobody ever mentions, and which I never noticed until Scott Little pointed it out long ago: it requires weeks to initially load a Pd

[Vo]:What's New Friday Apr, 24, 2009

2009-04-27 Thread Harry Veeder
WHAT’S NEW Robert L. Park Friday, 24 Apr 09 Washington, DC 1. COLD FUSION: PLEASE, MAY I HAVE A CUP OF TEA? Last Sunday's edition of the CBS News program 60 Minutes was titled Race to Fusion. It was 1989, Fleischmann and Pons are shown with the cold fusion test tube that would have

RE: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear

2009-04-27 Thread Jeff Fink
This all sounds great, but let's see someone do it competitively on a large scale before pinning our hopes on it. Jeff -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix...@bigpond.com] Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 12:58 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Not what Algore

Re: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear

2009-04-27 Thread grok
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, Jeff Fink rev...@ptd.net mounted the barricade and roared out: Solar electric, I read, uses indium which is in short supply and isn't even mineable. The production process releases some kind of hexafluoride chemical that

RE: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear

2009-04-27 Thread Jeff Fink
Hydro! Are you kidding? All the good remaining sites are protected by the Sierra Club. Even small hydro installations across the country have been decommissioned by the dozens over the last 50 years. I remember driving past the abandoned Bells Island Hydro plant on the James River in Richmond

Re: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear

2009-04-27 Thread grok
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, Jeff Fink rev...@ptd.net mounted the barricade and roared out: Again, the losses involved with transmitting power halfway around the world are overwhelming. Only Tesla or a sci fi writer can do it. Jeff I thought massive

FW: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear

2009-04-27 Thread Jeff Fink
-Original Message- From: Jeff Fink [mailto:rev...@ptd.net] Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:32 PM To: 'g...@resist.ca' Subject: RE: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear Again, the losses involved with transmitting power halfway around the world are overwhelming. Only Tesla or a sci fi

FW: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear

2009-04-27 Thread Jeff Fink
-Original Message- From: Jeff Fink [mailto:rev...@ptd.net] Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:21 PM To: 'g...@resist.ca' Subject: RE: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear Solar electric, I read, uses indium which is in short supply and isn't even mineable. The production process releases

Re: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear

2009-04-27 Thread mixent
In reply to Jeff Fink's message of Mon, 27 Apr 2009 21:27:10 -0400: Hi, This all sounds great, but let's see someone do it competitively on a large scale before pinning our hopes on it. I'm not pinning my hopes on it, nor do I expect it to be competitive. I only stated that it was possible.

Re: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear

2009-04-27 Thread mixent
In reply to Jeff Fink's message of Mon, 27 Apr 2009 21:54:22 -0400: Hi, [snip] Hydro! Are you kidding? All the good remaining sites are protected by the Sierra Club. Even small hydro installations across the country have been decommissioned by the dozens over the last 50 years. I remember

Re: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear

2009-04-27 Thread mixent
In reply to grok's message of Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:55:24 -0700: Hi, [snip] I thought massive superconducting DC cables were the way to go there. Seriously. [snip] That could work, but I think we would first need another breakthrough in high temperature superconductivity to significantly reduce the

Re: FW: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear

2009-04-27 Thread mixent
In reply to Jeff Fink's message of Mon, 27 Apr 2009 21:57:17 -0400: Hi, [snip] Again, the losses involved with transmitting power halfway around the world are overwhelming. Only Tesla or a sci fi writer can do it. Jeff [snip] Actually it might be possible using the electrosphere, since you

Re: [Vo]:What's New Friday Apr, 24, 2009

2009-04-27 Thread thomas malloy
Harry Veeder wrote: WHAT’S NEW Robert L. Park Friday, 24 Apr 09 Washington, DC Parksie pontificated, or should I say bloviated. 1. COLD FUSION: PLEASE, MAY I HAVE A CUP OF TEA? Energetics Technology, according to 60 Min correspondent Scott Pelley. An APS statement issued Wed.

Re: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear

2009-04-27 Thread grok
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, Jeff Fink rev...@ptd.net mounted the barricade and roared out: That's a whole lot of expensive cooling (huge operating costs). If we can do all of these things for a buck a KWH, I'd say we were doing good. My electric

Re: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear

2009-04-27 Thread grok
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, mix...@bigpond.com mix...@bigpond.com mounted the barricade and roared out: I thought massive superconducting DC cables were the way to go there. Seriously. That could work, but I think we would first need another