On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Mark Iverson wrote:
>
> First, here is my conclusion based on the methodology and resoning below:
>
> "If certain conditions are present, one can reduce this to a mass-in, mass
> out problem, and you
> don't need to measure the volume of steam exiting in order to
Jeff,
thermometer was calibrated and unlike common belief, boiling point was not
100 degrees, but 99.7°C ± 0.1.
The fact is that steam must be dry if it's temperature is above 100.1 °C ±
0.1 at atmospheric pressure.
—Jouni
On Jun 25, 2011, at 9:38 PM, Mark Iverson wrote:
Still no denial Horace!
Now you're messin' with us...
:-)
I hope you got some stock in Rossi's company, cuz the parr-teee is
gonna be at your house, and it
ain't gonna be cheap! :-)
-Mark
Good for yet another chuckle! 8^)
When I read vort
Jeff Driscoll wrote:
>
> Mark Iverson wrote:
>>
>> If the instrument is reading 10g/m^3, then ALL the inlet water is being
> converted to vapor, and the
>
> This is wrong.
> I wrote in a another thread that the Relative Humidity detector is
> pegged at 100% for any saturated steam with a qua
Still no denial Horace!
Now you're messin' with us...
:-)
I hope you got some stock in Rossi's company, cuz the parr-teee is gonna be at
your house, and it
ain't gonna be cheap! :-)
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: Horace Heffner [mailto:hheff...@mtaonline.net]
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2
no excess heat in June 14 Rossi demo, as no invisible dry steam at end
of hose, just feeble mist, perhaps liquid water -- many unbiased
critical comments on Vortex-L: Rich Murray 2011.06.25
http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2011_06_01_archive.htm
Saturday, June 25, 2011
[at end of each long page, click
On Jun 25, 2011, at 4:44 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
2011/6/25 Horace Heffner :
A tea pot has no means to overflow. Water is not continually
added. It is
also not designed like a percolator, with large confined boiling
compartment, and a narrow short chimney.
It does not require much engin
Do we really know how the e-cat is using all the input power?
Harry
Not convincing calculations. What is the density of water that can be
sustained in droplets and what is the size of the droplets before they
coalesce and rain back?
Nice... well, high time for a few of Rossi's trusted friends to
ensure that he is alerted quickly...
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 8:58 PM, wrote:
> In reply to Joshua Cude's message of Fri, 24 Jun 2011 16:20:48 -0500:
> Hi,
> [snip]
>>I was talking about running it above boiling, but way below the level needed
>>to boil it all. Different thing. And it's easy. The power can range within a
>>factor of
My wife is a kind of medium. I don't believe that. But, anyway, she
doesn't know English and cannot read what I am writing here, so, just
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Steven, as a confirmation.
Yep...
and the experience is rather contagious...
Rich sez:
> Each of us exists always as all of spontaneous single entire
> unified creative fractal hyperinfinity.
>
> In simple language, individual awareness-being is
> God awareness-being.
I see you have learned New Age-speak. ;-)
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In reply to Joshua Cude's message of Fri, 24 Jun 2011 16:20:48 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
>I was talking about running it above boiling, but way below the level needed
>to boil it all. Different thing. And it's easy. The power can range within a
>factor of 7. In this case, anywhere between 600W and about 5
2011/6/25 Horace Heffner :
> A tea pot has no means to overflow. Water is not continually added. It is
> also not designed like a percolator, with large confined boiling
> compartment, and a narrow short chimney.
>
It does not require much engineering to modify tea pot that it
supports adding wat
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Fri, 24 Jun 2011 03:09:22 -0800:
Hi,
[snip]
>The thermal conductivity of copper is 386 W/(m K), about 2700 times
>that of rubber. Several meters of similar sized copper pipe coiled a
>barrel of water at 75 C should easily condense 12 kW of steam.
>
Woul
In reply to Daniel Rocha's message of Fri, 24 Jun 2011 12:19:34 -0300:
Hi,
[snip]
>It cannot raise water more than 3 milimeters. That sort of rubber, I
>made some calculations elsewhere, does not radiate more than 25W per
>meter. The steam must be dry to be pumped out.
>
You mention the hose radi
In reply to Angela Kemmler's message of Thu, 23 Jun 2011 21:18:33 +0200:
Hi,
[snip]
>He uses a metering pump by manufacturer LMI (UK). Its model P18. Lewan told it.
>
>
>http://www.lmi-pumps.com/datasheets/Pseries-08-01.pdf
>
>max 3.20 GPH (12.1 l/h) 22 psi (1.5 Bar)
>max stroke frequency = 100 /
In reply to Daniel Rocha's message of Thu, 23 Jun 2011 21:10:05 -0300:
Hi,
[snip]
>According to the e-cat team, if you don\t cool it, there will be some
>strong gamma emissions.
Even that would be acceptable for a device that was well protected (i.e.
centralized power plants), provided that the g
On Jun 25, 2011, at 1:41 PM, Mark Iverson wrote:
Horace said:
"This is funny because there was an accusation that I worked for
Rossi made here at one time. A
conspiracy theory."
Horace, that was me, and it was only in jest... :-)
Are you?
Because, come to think of it, I don't think you've
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Mark Iverson wrote:
>
> First, here is my conclusion based on the methodology and resoning below:
>
> "If certain conditions are present, one can reduce this to a mass-in, mass
> out problem, and you
> don't need to measure the volume of steam exiting in order to
Horace said:
"This is funny because there was an accusation that I worked for Rossi made
here at one time. A
conspiracy theory."
Horace, that was me, and it was only in jest... :-)
Are you?
Because, come to think of it, I don't think you've explicitly denied it!!
Double :-)
-Mark
Thanks for those links.
You can use the long hairs from a horse's tail too if you don't want to
spend US$600 -:) -- see:
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/whairhyg.htm
http://www.ehow.com/way_5820088_homemade-hair-hygrometer.html
I've hear that the US weather service stations use dew point sen
First, here is my conclusion based on the methodology and resoning below:
"If certain conditions are present, one can reduce this to a mass-in, mass out
problem, and you
don't need to measure the volume of steam exiting in order to estimate dryness"
I don't think anyone here was suggesting that
On Jun 24, 2011, at 10:02 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
2011/6/25 Joshua Cude :
Well it might be if the reactor were at the bottom of a tea pot,
and the
output at the top of the pot. But the input and output to the
reactor are
both horizontal at the same level.
here was your misunderstanding
Jeff:
Thanks for all the effort to get a better understanding of how the sensors work.
I filled out a technical response request at two different sensor manufacturers
to also get a better
understanding. Here is one response from Vaisala.com re: the effects of liquid
droplets...
"If the water d
The discussion related to Galantini using the wrong instrument to
measure steam quality in Rossi's experiment seems to be slowing down.
But here are details on how a relative humidity sensor works (as
others have also mentioned).
It uses an extremely thin plastic (one manufacturer uses a one micr
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If you thought the story was interesting, I did you tell the ending? I
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Thanks for clarification -- the story long ago made a vivid impression
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creatively and intimately d
O my Gawd...
Not really humorous. I got interested in the story. But you spoiled the ending.
Hello Daniel,
I'm guessing you're being humorous, but I'm not sure what you mean to
say, factually and emotionally...
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
> The intro was nice. But damn, "thanks" for the spoiling! Damn you!
The intro was nice. But damn, "thanks" for the spoiling! Damn you!
Repost: lost in cyberspace
Recent comments here seem to suggest that the E-Cat "chimney" is simply
filled with hot water during operation.
Maybe, but think about it. Common sense would indicate that the fabrication
of this chimney is evidence of too much effort to be merely a "receptacle"
for wa
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Rich Murray wrote:
> Yes! I have personal experience as a channel, and have studied Jane
> Roberts' Seth books since 1973, and Jesus' A Course In Miracles since
> 1977.
<>
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On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 7:28 AM, MJ wrote:
> On 25-Jun-11 01:57, kbar42...@mypacks.net wrote:
>
>> A patent must teach one skilled in the art how to make and use the
>> invention. [...]
>
>
> In what planet?
>
> Mark Jordan
>
>
Anyone read a good science fiction story "Noise Level" -- the military
fakes the crash and burning of a one-man levitation belt, killing the
inventor during a poorly filmed video -- a great physicist is put to
work, leading a lavishly funded team to rediscover the lost effect.
He finds that the in
On 25-Jun-11 01:57, kbar42...@mypacks.net wrote:
A patent must teach one skilled in the art how to make and use the
invention. [...]
In what planet?
Mark Jordan
Each of us exists always as all of spontaneous single entire unified
creative fractal hyperinfinity.
In simple language, individual awareness-being is God awareness-being.
Yes! I have personal experience as a channel, and have studied Jane
Roberts' Seth books since 1973, and Jesus' A Course In Miracles since
1977.
Your introduction is spot on, truthful, complete, and helpful.
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2011/6/25 Joshua Cude :
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 1:02 AM, Jouni Valkonen
> wrote:
>>
>> 2011/6/25 Joshua Cude :
>> > Well it might be if the reactor were at the bottom of a tea pot, and the
>> > output at the top of the pot. But the input and output to the reactor
>> > are
>> > both horizonta
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 1:02 AM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
> 2011/6/25 Joshua Cude :
> > Well it might be if the reactor were at the bottom of a tea pot, and the
> > output at the top of the pot. But the input and output to the reactor are
> > both horizontal at the same level.
>
> here was your misun
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 3:58 AM, Horace Heffner wrote:
>
> The power is noted to be 770 W. If you assume no nuclear reaction then
> that is all there is. It should only take minutes to reach equilibrium.
>
True. Some say it's really 800W (230V), but still only minutes, as you say.
I was describi
On Jun 24, 2011, at 5:27 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Jouni Valkonen wrote:
It is important that tea pot does not overflow, because it messes up
calculations, because steam is not dry anymore. Therefore E-Cat's
inner volume has to be big enough to account power fluctuations
because peak power can
On Jun 24, 2011, at 9:14 PM, Joshua Cude wrote:
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Horace Heffner
wrote:
It is notable that the power input varies depending on the
controller actions, that if the power input (plus any nuclear
output heat if any) should become less than that required to
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