[Vo]:'bad science'

2011-10-23 Thread Harry Veeder
The witty remarks on 'bad science' are worth reading in this welcome message to ICCF 17. http://www.iccf17.org/sub01.php (The message is an image file so I could not copy and past it) Harry

Re: [Vo]:1 MW plant testing is underway.

2011-10-23 Thread Harry Veeder
Double, double toil and trouble; Fire burn, and eCat bubble... Harry

Re: [Vo]:1 MW plant testing is underway.

2011-10-23 Thread mixent
In reply to OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson's message of Sun, 23 Oct 2011 20:55:48 -0500: Hi, [snip] >Catalyst will flood the nickel cells at T minus 13 minutes. ...so the catalyst is a gas. :) ..any bets on which one? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.htm

RE: [Vo]:1 MW plant testing is underway.

2011-10-23 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
T Minus 75 hours and counting. Warm water at approximately 35 C has been flowing through the pipes for 12 hours now. So far no abnormalities have been noticed. At T minus 24 hours temperatures will be increased by one centigrade on the hour. The nickel powder cells till be installed at T minus 2

Re: [Vo]:1 MW plant testing is underway.

2011-10-23 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Alan Fletcher wrote: >> >> The usual Rossi-speak confusion : this is a test, this is only a test.. In the event of an actual test, you will be provided with official information and test data however convoluted. :-) T

Re: [Vo]:1 MW plant testing is underway.

2011-10-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alan Fletcher wrote: The usual Rossi-speak confusion : this is a test, this is only a test > Ha, ha! Well said. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:1 MW plant testing is underway.

2011-10-23 Thread Alan Fletcher
The usual Rossi-speak confusion : this is a test, this is only a test Andrea Rossi October 23rd, 2011 at 3:55 PM October 23rd, 2011 at 3:55 PM Dear H. Visscher: The test will be on the 28th. The tests will be on the 28th. But we are making our preliminar tests. Warm Regards, AR I think it's the

[Vo]:Dr. George Miley video

2011-10-23 Thread David ledin
Dr. George Miley video http://greg-bno.blogspot.com/2011/10/cold-fusion-enigma-secrets-remain_23.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogspot%2FEWZoO+%28BNO-++short+for+Boots+and+Oil%29

Re: [Vo]:1 MW plant testing is underway.

2011-10-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
wrote: > >The only part I do not get is: Why 1 MW? 10 kW is just as persuasive. > There > >is probably a ~$500 billion marketplace for small reactors, say from 1 to > 50 > >kW. > > Current world population is about 7 billion. Divided by 3 gives roughly 2 > billion households. 2 billion home powe

Re: [Vo]:1 MW plant testing is underway.

2011-10-23 Thread Axil Axil
“The only part I do not get is: Why 1 MW? 10 kW is just as persuasive.” Whether it is true or not, Rossi believes that the large size reactor format is the easiest to get to market because this form needs to conform far less to regulation, bureaucratic restriction, and brouhaha. He believes t

Re: [Vo]:1 MW plant testing is underway.

2011-10-23 Thread mixent
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Sun, 23 Oct 2011 18:11:37 -0400: Hi, [snip] >The only part I do not get is: Why 1 MW? 10 kW is just as persuasive. There >is probably a ~$500 billion marketplace for small reactors, say from 1 to 50 >kW. Current world population is about 7 billion. Divided b

Re: [Vo]:1 MW plant testing is underway.

2011-10-23 Thread Joe Catania
Physics is natural science. - Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:1 MW plant testing is underway. That's excellent news. Very open of Rossi. Entirely reasonable. We complain about Rossi's

Re: [Vo]:1 MW plant testing is underway.

2011-10-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil wrote: Having been faced with this clear and growing resistance to cold fusion, > early on, Rossi decided that a logical scientific argument was not the best > way to present cold fusion to the world. > Yes, that is what he said. > Rossi instinctively recognized that the most powerf

Re: [Vo]:1 MW plant testing is underway.

2011-10-23 Thread Axil Axil
I am currently of the opinion that all the resistance to accepting the possibility of cold fusion is irrational on the part of many. This irrational way of thinking, the reluctance to accept new things, and he emotional disruption of the judgment process may be rooted in the fact that cold fusion i

Re: [Vo]:1 MW plant testing is underway.

2011-10-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Gluck wrote: > I simply think Rossi wants to convince the Customer and all the potential > customers that he already has a usable industrial product, however in fact > he has only some technologically underdeveloped generators. Defkalion has > called them lab prototypes. > They look like

Re: [Vo]:Why cold fusion will reduce demand and spikes in residential power

2011-10-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Oops. I included the Electric Dryer here too: > Optional: back up additional large appliances > > Air Conditioning N > Electric Water Heater Y > Microwave Y > Electric Heat N > Electric Dryer N SHOULD BE Y > This come out to be 22 to 28 kW. This is extravagant. Not many people have a hot tub an

Re: [Vo]:1 MW plant testing is underway.

2011-10-23 Thread Peter Gluck
Cousin Jed, I simply think Rossi wants to convince the Customer and all the potential customers that he already has a usable industrial product, however in fact he has only some technologically underdeveloped generators. Defkalion has called them lab prototypes. Like a car that has some weak moto

Re: [Vo]:1 MW plant testing is underway.

2011-10-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
That's excellent news. Very open of Rossi. Entirely reasonable. We complain about Rossi's habits, but you have give him credit for allowing a lot of access to this tests, and for giving out a great deal of information. The problem is not that he is unwilling to share data. It is that his tests do

Re: [Vo]:How to SAFELY make Nickel Nano Powder.

2011-10-23 Thread Axil Axil
Here again, you are forgetting the third element in the Ni-H reaction: that is, the secret catalyst. Rossi has said that Ni and H2 will not react to produce much energy to speak of. The secret catalyst is required. Remember that Rossi started all this when he was experimenting with the Ni reactio

Re: [Vo]:Why cold fusion will reduce demand and spikes in residential power

2011-10-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
The Lowe's on line energy demand calculator is working again: Intro. http://www.generatorsatlowes.com/?cm_sp=endeca-_-Generator-_-l Calculator http://www.generatorsatlowes.com/Sizer/sizer.aspx I set up all-electric 2000 sq. ft. house: All general lighting, refrigerator, furnace fan, and gener

Re: [Vo]:Peter: I probably can get the articles free.

2011-10-23 Thread Peter Heckert
Dear Wm. Scott Smith. Thank you very much for this kind offer. Maybe others could be interested. I would have been nosy to look into some of them, but honestly, I am not a scientist and cannot make real use of them. Probably I will not understand 80% of the content, and if, then I dont have the

Re: [Vo]:1 MW plant testing is underway.

2011-10-23 Thread David Roberson
This is excellent news. I look forward to seeing the report. I hope that many of the questions that still remain unanswered will be settled this time. How I wish that the output water stream from the heat exchanger primary of the October 6 test had been accurately measured. Figuring out the

RE: [Vo]:How to make Nickel Nano Powder.

2011-10-23 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
Peter wrote: "The Nickel oxide powder is reduced to nickel in hydrogen atmosphere under high pressure and high temperature." What nobody noticed is that the janitor accidentally knocked the heater plug from the wall, but since the thing still heats up, who would have thought to look! They've been

[Vo]:1 MW plant testing is underway.

2011-10-23 Thread David ledin
# Andrea Rossi October 23rd, 2011 at 10:49 AM Dear Franco Morici: Good Sunday also to you, while I write this comment we are testing the 1 MW plant, which is working well so far. I am very sorry of the very restricted attendance, due to the particular kind of our Customer, but during the test on t

[Vo]:Peter: I probably can get the articles free.

2011-10-23 Thread Wm. Scott Smith
I probably can get the articles free. Libraries, especially University Libraries can order them for free and you get a copy, but it can be very slow. I subscribe to a service where I can only order a few a month and I can't make copies, but could screenshot short selections. That should be adequ

RE: [Vo]:Dr. George Miley Replicates Patterson, Names Rossi

2011-10-23 Thread Jones Beene
Jouni, I should be a bit more circumspect with speculation based combine on combining other related research with Rossi’s results, since you are writing a book on this, and you need to get everything as accurate as possible. The nickel/copper/iron alloy works for “spillover” which is a t

Re: [Vo]:How to SAFELY make Nickel Nano Powder.

2011-10-23 Thread Peter Heckert
If you browse google for nickel nanopowder and hydrogen, then you find countless scientific research articles. Of course almost all must be payed. It is mentioned that water resulting from the process can poison the process and this is still heavily researched. There is not one process, there

[Vo]:How to SAFELY make Nickel Nano Powder.

2011-10-23 Thread Wm. Scott Smith
One would not have to use pure Hydrogen; I bet they have identified an H2-Noble Gas mixture that is slow-enough to be safe. You can dissolve most metals in acid and cause them to precipitate as nano-particles. The you would expose it to your gas mixture. > Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 10:57:43 -0400

Re: [Vo]:How to make Nickel Nano Powder.

2011-10-23 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Peter Heckert wrote: > Nickel Nano powder is made like this: > > Nickel is oxidized. The nickel oxide is milled. > The Nickel oxide powder is reduced to nickel in hydrogen athmossphere under > high pressure and high temperature. > Why doesnt this sometimes explode?

[Vo]:How to make Nickel Nano Powder.

2011-10-23 Thread Peter Heckert
Nickel Nano powder is made like this: Nickel is oxidized. The nickel oxide is milled. The Nickel oxide powder is reduced to nickel in hydrogen athmossphere under high pressure and high temperature. Why doesnt this sometimes explode? Peter

Re: [Vo]:Possible mechanism-Excess Power Reading of ECAT

2011-10-23 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 23.10.2011 13:15, schrieb Higgins Bob-CBH003: It would be worth a verification experiment. Absent that, I believe that measurement errors from the two thermocouples "touching" the electrically conductive heat exchanger in two different places and possibly with two different metals will be

Re: [Vo]:Possible mechanism-Excess Power Reading of ECAT

2011-10-23 Thread Peter Heckert
Yes, I use these often connected to a DVM with appropriate input and always non-insulated. (Sometimes I use this heat conducting fluid that is used for semiconductors to get good thermo conduction) This is not a problem as long the DVM has no other galvanic connections to ground, to the grid an

Re: [Vo]:Dr. George Miley Replicates Patterson, Names Rossi

2011-10-23 Thread francis
Axil, I think you mean Inverse Rydberg matter since you are referencing a "condensed" state of atoms and molecules. >From your post: [snip] *Rydberg matter, i.e., a condensed phase of excited atoms and molecules, was predicted more than 20 years ago. Comprehensive quantum-mechan

RE: [Vo]:Possible mechanism-Excess Power Reading of ECAT

2011-10-23 Thread Higgins Bob-CBH003
Regarding the thermocouples and "isolation". I don't believe electrical isolation is responsible for a noticeable error because thermocouple measurements, particularly when measured with systems that accommodate more than one thermocouple, make the measurements differentially. I.E. the thermocoup

RE: [Vo]:Possible mechanism-Excess Power Reading of ECAT

2011-10-23 Thread Higgins Bob-CBH003
Hi David, Thought experiments are good and I like the your analysis because it causes us to consider another possible effect. I believe I understand your calculation, but there are a few things that I think were different than in your thought experiment. First, the E-cat holds 30kg of

Re: [Vo]:Possible mechanism-Excess Power Reading of ECAT

2011-10-23 Thread Peter Heckert
So far I have seen, they used a battery driven handheld 4 channel thermosensor device to measure the cold water inlet and the warm water outlet at the heat exchanger. So far I could see from the yellow plugs, they used Ni-CrNi thermoelements. These can be used upto about 1200°C (I dont know the