Re: [Vo]:NHK: ocean levels may rise 9 m by 2100

2013-01-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: People will argue that consumers cannot afford the additional hit to their pocket books. I think this misses the point, since they're already bearing the price in other, less obvious ways, including monetarily. Exactly. We often end up paying more

[Vo]:PGE buying output from 150 MW solar thermal plant with molten salts

2013-01-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
See: http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2013/01/pg-e-approved-to-buy-power-from-solarreserve-csp-project-with-molten-salt-storage The molten salt gives this 10 hours of production without sunlight. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:PGE buying output from 150 MW solar thermal plant with molten salts

2013-01-31 Thread ChemE Stewart
So does a gas turbine :) On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: See: http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2013/01/pg-e-approved-to-buy-power-from-solarreserve-csp-project-with-molten-salt-storage The molten salt gives this 10 hours of

RE: [Vo]:NHK: ocean levels may rise 9 m by 2100

2013-01-31 Thread Chris Zell
Isn't the academic view just amazing? When confronted with malaise about Bangladesh treading water in decades to come, they go all 'chapter and verse' with specifics - yet, when asked about paying the bills, they drift off into magic and mysticism. Somehow it will get paid for. Thank you,

Re: [Vo]:NHK: ocean levels may rise 9 m by 2100

2013-01-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Chris Zell chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote: It is reported that thousands of wind turbines in the US are idle or broken . . . Where is this reported? Wind turbines cost $1.3 to $2 million each. I think it is highly unlikely the power companies leave billions of dollars of resources idle for lack

Re: [Vo]:NHK: ocean levels may rise 9 m by 2100

2013-01-31 Thread Edmund Storms
You are right, Chris, mankind is being confronted by a growing list of basic problems. Deciding which one is the most important is hard. All of them have the potential to cause massive pain and suffering. What is worse, the nature of the problem is too technical and complex for most

[Vo]:Online Cosmic Rays Moscow Neutron Monitor

2013-01-31 Thread MJ
Huh? http://helios.izmiran.rssi.ru/cosray/main.htm Mark Jordan

Re: [Vo]:NHK: ocean levels may rise 9 m by 2100

2013-01-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: It works both ways. Wind turbines cover lost production from coal and nuclear plants when they are down for maintenance. Also, wind is sometimes more reliable and slower to vary than fossil fuel. See: http://www.awea.org/learnabout/utility/Wind-Integration-and-Reliability.cfm

Re: [Vo]:NHK: ocean levels may rise 9 m by 2100

2013-01-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: What is worse, the nature of the problem is too technical and complex for most people to understand. In the past, all problems were too complex for anyone to understand. In 1700 people did not even know that oxygen exists, and yet they ran giant

Re: [Vo]:NHK: ocean levels may rise 9 m by 2100

2013-01-31 Thread Edmund Storms
On Jan 31, 2013, at 8:57 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: What is worse, the nature of the problem is too technical and complex for most people to understand. In the past, all problems were too complex for anyone to understand. In 1700 people did not

RE: [Vo]:NHK: ocean levels may rise 9 m by 2100

2013-01-31 Thread Chris Zell
Current headline at BusinessInsider : 80% of French Think Their Country Is Bankrupt. Clearly, these suffering people would benefit from more global warming solutions. Likewise the growing number of Spanish people now living on the street. Or the British people who are burning second hand

Re: [Vo]:PGE buying output from 150 MW solar thermal plant with molten salts

2013-01-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: So does a gas turbine :) Yes, but it costs $225 per hour in natural gas. I think. ($1.50/MHW?) - Jed

RE: [Vo]:Online Cosmic Rays Moscow Neutron Monitor

2013-01-31 Thread Arnaud Kodeck
What has happened in Moscow? I don't understand the percentage. What does this mean? It has never been so high for the last 2 years, but other spikes occurred, even higher. Arnaud -Original Message- From: MJ [mailto:feli...@gmail.com] Sent: jeudi 31 janvier 2013 16:30 To:

Re: [Vo]:PGE buying output from 150 MW solar thermal plant with molten salts

2013-01-31 Thread ChemE Stewart
Yes, But it also costs approx. 1/5 capital for a gas turbine of Same MW. We will also wait to see how long 375,000 mirrors/motors last in the wind/dust swept desert You forgot the fuel cost for cleaning mirrors with farm tractors and squeegies and pumping mirror wash water from...where? I

Re: [Vo]:NHK: ocean levels may rise 9 m by 2100

2013-01-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Chris Zell chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote: Clearly, these suffering people would benefit from more global warming solutions. Likewise the growing number of Spanish people now living on the street. Or the British people who are burning second hand books to keep warm. I doubt they are burning

Re: [Vo]:PGE buying output from 150 MW solar thermal plant with molten salts

2013-01-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: But it also costs approx. 1/5 capital for a gas turbine of Same MW. That is true! But the cost is falling rapidly, and it would fall a lot more with greater economy of scale. We will also wait to see how long 375,000 mirrors/motors last in the

Re: [Vo]:PGE buying output from 150 MW solar thermal plant with molten salts

2013-01-31 Thread ChemE Stewart
That's right, I forgot about those robots. Jed do you have the company address I can order those through? I need a couple around my yard and one to perform my wife's honey do list. I am a Chemical Engineer, I spent 2 1/2 years of my life helping design the largest operating industrial solar

Re: [Vo]:PGE buying output from 150 MW solar thermal plant with molten salts

2013-01-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: I am a Chemical Engineer, I spent 2 1/2 years of my life helping design the largest operating industrial solar thermal plant in the World. Then surely you know that modern ones do not call for people driving around on tractors washing the mirrors.

Re: [Vo]:PGE buying output from 150 MW solar thermal plant with molten salts

2013-01-31 Thread ChemE Stewart
Jed, Very Cool Glossy Picture and CSP Greenie Weenie Magazine. I will be very interested to see that thing wash 375,000 heliostats in the Mohave Desert since there are no tracks for it to run on and they are unevenly placed. How big is that water tank? Does another robot supply the water?

Re: [Vo]:PGE buying output from 150 MW solar thermal plant with molten salts

2013-01-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
A little more info here: http://www.sener-aerospace.com/AEROESPACIAL/ProjectsD/hector-cleaning-robot-system-for-heliostats/en There is a .pdf file out there with a bigger image but I can't find it. - Jed

RE: [Vo]:Online Cosmic Rays Moscow Neutron Monitor

2013-01-31 Thread Jones Beene
Hmm ... was there comment from an official source on this spike? There is not much info that I can find online. Where are higher neutron spikes shown in the data? I do not see any spikes which are higher, but they might not show up on the monthly chart.

RE: [Vo]:NHK: ocean levels may rise 9 m by 2100

2013-01-31 Thread Chris Zell
metro.co.uk Jan 5, 2013, Pensioners burn books to stay warm. So, the investment in alternative energy would create more jobs? Like polishing mirrors? Or do your robots do that after the coal miners/ railroad workers/utility boiler feeders go on the dole? Dismissing Wall Street opinion on

Re: [Vo]:NHK: ocean levels may rise 9 m by 2100

2013-01-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Chris Zell chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote: Dismissing Wall Street opinion on alternative energy investment leaves me a bit speechless - as the very manifestation of the mindset condemned in others at the start of this thread. Goes full circle, I guess. Business investment is not an exact

Re: [Vo]:NHK: ocean levels may rise 9 m by 2100

2013-01-31 Thread Eric Walker
On Jan 31, 2013, at 8:54, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Take the mortgage melt down in 2008 and following, do you think any intelligence was used by the financial industry. Yet these people almost collapsed the financial system of the West, which has led to the present

RE: [Vo]:NHK: ocean levels may rise 9 m by 2100

2013-01-31 Thread Chris Zell
I have played the Market ( profitably). I never gamble or play poker. Even Malkiel in his Random Walk thesis considered that there could be exceptions (closed end funds, for example). Cold Fusion is an effect that needs to be a practical product and large companies might hate the idea,

Re: [Vo]:NHK: ocean levels may rise 9 m by 2100

2013-01-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Some of the world's smartest minds worked together to produce the financial collapse. They had an implicit faith in the assurances of free-market ideology and laissez-faire . . . What they lacked was simple common sense and concrete incentives to

Re: [Vo]:NHK: ocean levels may rise 9 m by 2100

2013-01-31 Thread Edmund Storms
On Jan 31, 2013, at 1:50 PM, Eric Walker wrote: On Jan 31, 2013, at 8:54, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Take the mortgage melt down in 2008 and following, do you think any intelligence was used by the financial industry. Yet these people almost collapsed the financial system

Re: [Vo]:PGE buying output from 150 MW solar thermal plant with molten salts

2013-01-31 Thread ChemE Stewart
Is that a John Deere? On Thursday, January 31, 2013, Jed Rothwell wrote: A little more info here: http://www.sener-aerospace.com/AEROESPACIAL/ProjectsD/hector-cleaning-robot-system-for-heliostats/en There is a .pdf file out there with a bigger image but I can't find it. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:NHK: ocean levels may rise 9 m by 2100

2013-01-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Some of the world's smartest minds worked together to produce the financial collapse. . . . Does what you describe not represent stupid behavior? Yes! It is both smart and stupid, at the same time. Most wars are like that. People who are

[Vo]:Margin Call tells it like it was

2013-01-31 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Eric Walker Take the mortgage melt down in 2008 and following, do you think any intelligence was used by the financial industry. Yet these people almost collapsed the financial system of the West, which has led to the present financial situation. Stupid people

Re: [Vo]:NHK: ocean levels may rise 9 m by 2100

2013-01-31 Thread Edmund Storms
I make a distinction between intelligence and stupidly. The human mind has many features that can exist at the same time, as you note. For example, a person can be insane yet brilliant. A person can be stupid yet a savant. Society has no ability to make a distinction. As a result,

Re: [Vo]:PGE buying output from 150 MW solar thermal plant with molten salts

2013-01-31 Thread Harry Veeder
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: A little more info here: http://www.sener-aerospace.com/AEROESPACIAL/ProjectsD/hector-cleaning-robot-system-for-heliostats/en There is a .pdf file out there with a bigger image but I can't find it. - Jed is this

Re: [Vo]:PGE buying output from 150 MW solar thermal plant with molten salts

2013-01-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: is this it? shortened url: http://tinyurl.com/asqjdbx Yeah. Still not a good image, is it? Maybe they don't want to release a hi res version. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:NHK: ocean levels may rise 9 m by 2100

2013-01-31 Thread Craig
It wasn't the free market that failed with the mortgage meltdown. It was the federal reserve and the federal government which together created a moral hazard. Peter Schiff had it right, back in 2006. Artificially low interest rates promote consumption and distract from savings.

RE: [Vo]:Margin Call tells it like it was

2013-01-31 Thread Chris Zell
Let's not forget outright fraud and theft while government regulators did nothing to touch the scofflaw 1%. There was a whole body of state and local legal tradition in regard to the transfer of mortgages that was ignored by the banksters. They ran document fraud factories in which people

Re: [Vo]:Margin Call tells it like it was

2013-01-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Chris Zell chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote: They ran document fraud factories in which people laughingly put down fake names ( CBS '60 Minutes'). And nobody went to jail. I saw that! It is appalling. I cannot understand why no one has been jailed. Especially with Obama in office. Very

[Vo]:Nanor

2013-01-31 Thread Mark Gibbs
Does anyone know what the status is of the Nanor device at MIT? Has it been kept running? Has anyone duplicated the device and successfully run it? Thanks in advance. [mg]

Re: [Vo]:Nanor

2013-01-31 Thread Terry Blanton
Swartz has been very secretive. His web site: http://world.std.com/~mica/jettech.html On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote: Does anyone know what the status is of the Nanor device at MIT? Has it been kept running? Has anyone duplicated the device and successfully

Re: [Vo]:Nanor

2013-01-31 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Swartz has been very secretive. His web site: http://world.std.com/~mica/jettech.html Probably the most info publicly available:

Re: [Vo]:Nanor

2013-01-31 Thread Mark Gibbs
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 7:09 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Swartz has been very secretive. His web site: http://world.std.com/~mica/jettech.html Yep, that's a lot of ... er, stuff. Probably the

Re: [Vo]:Nanor

2013-01-31 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:30 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:28 PM, Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote: And the video is AWOL. Sigh. Damn. Well the .pdf is there: http://coldfusionnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/HagelsteinPdemonstra.pdf

Re: [Vo]:Nanor

2013-01-31 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:46 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:30 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:28 PM, Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote: And the video is AWOL. Sigh. Damn. Well the .pdf is there:

Re: [Vo]:Nanor

2013-01-31 Thread Mark Gibbs
I read that ... which is to say I scanned it but I can't draw any conclusions from it. Anyone willing to apply their huge brain to that document and summarize it? Thanks in advance. [m] On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:28 PM,

Re: [Vo]:Nanor

2013-01-31 Thread Ruby
There was no other video of the NANOR publicly available other than Barry Simon's (that I know). Mitchell Swartz's two summary of the course posted on Cold Fusion Times was re-posted by me here: http://coldfusionnow.org/2nd-week-summary-of-cold-fusion-101/ Hagelstein's video is of

[Vo]:in the last decade. The world went from connected to hyperconnected, so Woodrow C. Monte methanol-formaldehyde paradigm, being true, is spreading and evolving exponentially: Thomas L. Friedma

2013-01-31 Thread Rich Murray
in the last decade. The world went from connected to hyperconnected, so Woodrow C. Monte methanol-formaldehyde paradigm, being true, is spreading and evolving exponentially: Thomas L. Friedman: Dan Novak: Rich Murray 2013.01.31

Re: [Vo]:Nanor

2013-01-31 Thread Peter Gluck
technologists are waiting for KILOR and MEGAR Peter On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 6:26 AM, Ruby r...@hush.com wrote: There was no other video of the NANOR publicly available other than Barry Simon's (that I know). Mitchell Swartz's two summary of the course posted on Cold Fusion Times was

Re: [Vo]:Nanor

2013-01-31 Thread Mark Gibbs
I must be behind the curve ... and what might KILOR and MEGAR be? [m] On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: technologists are waiting for KILOR and MEGAR Peter On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 6:26 AM, Ruby r...@hush.com wrote: There was no other video of the

Re: [Vo]:Nanor

2013-01-31 Thread Peter Gluck
Easy to answer: something GREAT(ER) - much greater, useful and efficient. Generating intense heat, usable as a practical energy source. Science is magnificent, technology works for us. Peter On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 8:38 AM, Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote: I must be behind the curve ... and

Re: [Vo]:Nanor

2013-01-31 Thread Mark Gibbs
Peter, Come on! Are those acronyms, flavors of vodka, ... What are you talking about? [mg] On Thursday, January 31, 2013, Peter Gluck wrote: Easy to answer: something GREAT(ER) - much greater, useful and efficient. Generating intense heat, usable as a practical energy source. Science is

Re: [Vo]:Nanor

2013-01-31 Thread Peter Gluck
NANOR scaled-up from milliwatts up. Nothing to do with vodka. Peter On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote: Peter, Come on! Are those acronyms, flavors of vodka, ... What are you talking about? [mg] On Thursday, January 31, 2013, Peter Gluck wrote: Easy to