Re: [Vo]:Speculation on how the E-Cat X works.

[Axil Axil]

If the X cat operates like a vacuum tube, it may be possible to control
what it does by applying voltage to various control grids. Heat vs,
electricity and voltage vs. current could be controlled by a associated
control grid. This tells us something about how the LENR reaction works. If
a voltage on a control grid pulls out EMF from the core, the electric
output goes up and the heat goes down. If a grid restricts the current,
then the voltage goes up.

The charged particle that might be effected that is active in the LENR
reaction might be muons. Pulling muons out of the core may slow down the
reaction and keeping them inside the core may speed up the reaction.

If I were Rossi, I would look for muon emissions coming out of his reactor.

On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 1:12 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> The core is producing the electric power and is acting as the negative
> cathode and the alumina the anode. Perhaps with a grid between for flow
> control. A grid between might control the electric vs, heat output.
>
> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:
>
>> *From:* Axil Axil
>>
>> Ø   Alumina pulls in electrons rather than pushing them out, Is that
>> correct?
>>
>> Technically alumina is a good electrical insulator, as seen in the white
>> ceramic part of a spark plug. Beta-alumina however is different, and can
>> be produced in such a way as to conduct only positive ions. As such
>> those ions would “pull in” electrons after the ions moved through the
>> alumina. This, in fact, is the way that some sodium batteries operate,
>> using beta-alumina as a solid electrolyte (oversimplified). I do not
>> think Rossi is doing this.
>>
>> The simplest way to get direct current, if one had a glow tube reactor,
>> operating inside a larger metal vacuum tube, which functions as an anode,
>> as you suggest – is to wind the tube with heater wire which also is a
>> good thermionic emitter like tungsten, then that heater coil itself could
>> also function as a cathode with a small change in the circuitry. In this
>> case, it would be wise to use thoriated tungsten as the heater wire,
>> which is known as a good emitter but needs to be in a vacuum as it is
>> easily oxidized in air.
>>
>> In operation, electrons emitted from the heater coil would decrease the
>> heat given to the fuel (the Edison effect is a cooling effect). Also, t
>> hey would require emf to overcome the space charge inside the gap (like
>> any vacuum tube). However, if the LENR fuel (by this time) has reached
>> strong self-sustain mode, with its own ability to produce heat without
>> electrical input, then this device could be made to function almost like
>> a self-powered amplifier tube of old. It could possibly function without
>> a grid accelerator, if enough light was being produced inside the glow tube
>> (to provide emf and overcome space charge).
>>
>> This essentially means that a glow tube which has gone into self-powered
>> mode (infinite OU) could indeed be arranged to produce electrical current
>> flow as a side effect, when properly designed inside a vacuum, if the
>> incandescent photons provide the emf. This is more likely what Rossi is
>> doing.
>>
>> In fact, when net electrical current is being produced, that would be a
>> STRONG indication that the tube has gone into self-powered mode. As
>> such, this might even be a better approach then the Parkhomov type of
>> replication if one has a good vacuum system and a proper Dewar.
>>
>> The $64 question is can he provide electrical output with no input for
>> longer than a few minutes. The thermal inertia of a very hot system
>> could allow tens of seconds, but not minutes.
>>
>> Jones
>>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Direct power from E-Cat X

[Jed Rothwell]

Daniel Rocha  wrote:


> I cannot access http://www.lenr-canr.org/
>

Try again, please, and let me know if you still have a problem.

I expect that was a temporary interruption.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Direct power from E-Cat X

[Daniel Rocha]

No, nothing. It tries to connect for minutes until it times out.

2016-01-01 19:55 GMT-02:00 Jed Rothwell :

> Daniel Rocha  wrote:
>
>
>> I cannot access http://www.lenr-canr.org/
>>
>
> Try again, please, and let me know if you still have a problem.
>
> I expect that was a temporary interruption.
>
> - Jed
>
>
>
>


-- 
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danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Direct power from E-Cat X

[Daniel Rocha]

I must tell you that this is not the first time it happens. It's been like
this for months. I think I got your whole website 2 years ago. But I am not
sure if I still have it all.

Re: [Vo]:Direct power from E-Cat X

[Jed Rothwell]

Daniel Rocha  wrote:


> I must tell you that this is not the first time it happens. It's been like
> this for months.
>

I wish you had told me months ago! Please contact me by private e-mail on
Monday with information about your ISP. Let me know when you have time to
run some tests trying to access the site. I will contact Jumpline.com and
ask them to look into it. They are not open until Monday.

Have you had trouble reaching any other website?

Try this utility to see how fast and consistent your Internet access is:

http://www.speedtest.net/

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Direct power from E-Cat X

[Daniel Rocha]

I cannot access http://www.lenr-canr.org/

RE: [Vo]:Direct power from E-Cat X

[Jones Beene]

From: Jed Rothwell 

*   Here is one of the claims of direct electric power output. I think this 
is one of the most credible ones.

http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/DavidFselfpolari.pdf

This experiment is evidence of electrical current - but not from fusion. 

They show voltage with H2 and D2 but no voltage with an inert gas. In fact, 
this is completely expected since it is how hydrogen gas sensors work – by 
creating a voltage in a semiconductor device. Deuterium is known to create 
slightly more voltage since it absorbs preferentially in palladium compared to 
hydrogen. The voltage is from chemical hydriding and is completely expected. 
Google: MOSFET hydrogen gas sensor.

In fact the authors almost admit the obvious, but then go on to ignore their 
own caution. Quote: “However obviously, as a voltage was seen with the H2 some 
hydrogen oxidation cannot be ruled out.” Then they get silly, as the power is a 
few microwatts – but even so they go on to extrapolate that to the power 
density of the Chicago Pile, which is completely ludicrous, in that it was 
quenched before exploding. I had to check to see if this was an April fools 
joke.

There is not a scintilla of evidence of fusion, but all is not lost - they now 
have an expensive hydrogen gas sensor. 

The Mayor should demand to get his money back.

Re: [Vo]:Direct power from E-Cat X

[Jed Rothwell]

Daniel Rocha  wrote:

No, nothing. It tries to connect for minutes until it times out.
>

Strange . . .

The log shows visitors at this moment connecting normally. I think the
problem must be on your end. Try resetting your computer and the Internet
connection.

- Jed

[Vo]:Re: Crescent Dunes Solar Energy Project

[pjvannoorden]

Hello Robin

First the best wishes for 2016

You are right that the high efficiency cells can be used for that purpose
but I think they also will perform most optimal at lower temperatures like 
normal PV. To use them at 100 C or more
would bring down the efficiency, but to store heat it would be best to go 
above 100 C.
So when you put them in the centre axis of the concentrator you would have 
to cool them

down as possible, which would result in low grade heat.
Further these high efficiency cells are much more expensive to use in the 
trough compared to normal PV`s
so probably it is cheaper and more efficient to use normal PV`s in the 
trough and use the centre axis of the concentrator only

to get high grade heat.
That is my guess, but i am not 100% sure.

Peter





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Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 9:31 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Crescent Dunes Solar Energy Project

In reply to  's message of Thu, 31 Dec 2015 12:26:56
+0100:
Hi Peter,

While true of normal solar cells, I seem to recall that there are also high
efficiency cells designed to be used with solar concentrators. I'm guessing 
that
these will also function at boiling water temperatures. Is this not the 
case?



Hello Robin

To store heat economically they can not use water heated by the
PV cells, bcs these cells have to be as cool as possible to work
efficiently.
By concentrating the rest of the direct sunlight on a thermal absorber
it is possible to get much higher temperatures to store heat effectively,
while keeping the
solar cells at a much lower temperature

Peter v Noorden

[snip]
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

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Re: [Vo]:Rossi's Reveal

[Teslaalset]

Less tax? I don’t think so. If energy tax will be minimized, governments
will compensate by raising other taxes. Never the less, let’s hope Rossi’s
technology will be replicated and become available openly in 2016. Happy
2016!

On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 7:27 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> Andrea Rossi
> January 1st, 2016 at 12:19 AM
>
> Dear Readers of the JoNP:
> It’s 00.00.01″ of January 1st 2016.
> Update: the 1 MW E-Cat is stable and in ssm, the E-Cat X is very promising
> and still operating and making heat, electricity.
> The E-Cat X is very close to the design of the core of the apparatus
> described in the US Patent, I mean the wafer. It has been engineered to
> resist to very high temperatures. The electricity exits directly from the
> wafer.
> As I said , several nights ago I had a dream. The E-Cat X had been
> produced in billions pieces, each of them assembled with others in various
> combinations to make public lamps: a town was totally illuminated by the
> E-Cat X and from every lamp a network of pipes and of wires was able to
> distribute heat and electricity to the houses.
> In that town there were about 1 million lamps each of them of 500 watts,
> consuming about 50 watts; consequently, there were 450 MWh/h produced, of
> which about half were turned into heat distributed to the houses through a
> network of well insulated pipes, running inderground, like optic fibers,
> the other half was used to enlight the town and to distribute electricity
> to the households. The cost of the E-Cat X was around 50 $/kW of power, due
> to the production of billions of pieces per year in all the world, with
> tens of thousands of jobs. Less taxes were paid by the people, due to the
> saves derived from low pollution and low energy cost for public services.
> Millions of persons were also earning money selling E-Cats and every owner
> of E-Cats was saving money in utilities ( electricity, heat, light).
> Then I heard the alarm clock: it was time to return to the factory, to
> make true the dream. F9.
> Happy new year, I love you all.
> I am drinking my cup of Korbel champagne, then i have to return to the
> gauges of the plant. She is good, tonight.
> Again, Happy 2016, May God bless you all,
> Andrea
>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's Reveal

[Susanna Gipp]

IMHO
 it's nothing more than the usual load (mix of B.S. and lies) to feed his
supporters over the web.
The difference is that this meal comes at 2016 celebration
Now let's wait for the next bucket within 6/12 months if he will be still
around.



2016-01-01 7:27 GMT+01:00 Axil Axil :

> Andrea Rossi
> January 1st, 2016 at 12:19 AM
>
> Dear Readers of the JoNP:
> It’s 00.00.01″ of January 1st 2016.
> Update: the 1 MW E-Cat is stable and in ssm, the E-Cat X is very promising
> and still operating and making heat, electricity.
> The E-Cat X is very close to the design of the core of the apparatus
> described in the US Patent, I mean the wafer. It has been engineered to
> resist to very high temperatures. The electricity exits directly from the
> wafer.
> As I said , several nights ago I had a dream. The E-Cat X had been
> produced in billions pieces, each of them assembled with others in various
> combinations to make public lamps: a town was totally illuminated by the
> E-Cat X and from every lamp a network of pipes and of wires was able to
> distribute heat and electricity to the houses.
> In that town there were about 1 million lamps each of them of 500 watts,
> consuming about 50 watts; consequently, there were 450 MWh/h produced, of
> which about half were turned into heat distributed to the houses through a
> network of well insulated pipes, running inderground, like optic fibers,
> the other half was used to enlight the town and to distribute electricity
> to the households. The cost of the E-Cat X was around 50 $/kW of power, due
> to the production of billions of pieces per year in all the world, with
> tens of thousands of jobs. Less taxes were paid by the people, due to the
> saves derived from low pollution and low energy cost for public services.
> Millions of persons were also earning money selling E-Cats and every owner
> of E-Cats was saving money in utilities ( electricity, heat, light).
> Then I heard the alarm clock: it was time to return to the factory, to
> make true the dream. F9.
> Happy new year, I love you all.
> I am drinking my cup of Korbel champagne, then i have to return to the
> gauges of the plant. She is good, tonight.
> Again, Happy 2016, May God bless you all,
> Andrea
>

Re: [Vo]:Re: Crescent Dunes Solar Energy Project

[Jed Rothwell]

ChemE Stewart  wrote:


> The real play with Ivanpah was the IPO, which failed.  That way the crooks
> would have had the taxpayers pay for it the first time and then investors
> buy it a second time while they suck the money out and bankrupt it.
>

This makes no sense. If the investors first borrow money from the
government and then do an IPO, they have to return the loan with the IPO
money. You cannot keep both the loan and the IPO money. The taxpayers would
not "pay for it the first time." They don't "pay for" anything. They lend
you the money. You pay for it.

You also have to return the loan with any profit you make. You cannot
choose not to pay back a loan!

As long as the power company continues to buy electricity from this
installation, the taxpayers will get their money back eventually.

- Jed

[Vo]:Russ Gries – LENR Research Apparatus

[Jack Cole]

Russ has been hard at work and has put together a nice system.  Please give
him some feedback on his design.

http://www.lenr-coldfusion.com/2016/01/01/russ-gries-lenr-research-apparatus/

[Vo]:Fw: [teslafy] Example of Torsional Twisting of Time

[Harvey Norris]

 Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances 
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/

 On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 12:25 PM, "harv...@yahoo.com [teslafy]" 
 wrote:
 

       Here the top and bottom poles of the 666 machine primary system are 
compared in time, showing 60 degrees separation in time. In a conventional 
three phase system the checker stacks would all be an identical color and the 
North and South poles on each end would be coming out simultaneously. So in the 
666 machine not only  are the fields twisted in space, they are also twisted in 
time. Now in the conventional single primary six phase system we should 
realize that even though the magnetic fields have been divided six fold in 
time, in terms of what the secondaries can receive two of the magnetic actions 
are actually from the same source and they are opposite mirror images of each 
other in time. The (unobvious) consequence of this is that now we can combine a 
top phase from one primary with a bottom phase from an adjacent primary and 
those signals will only be 60 degrees out of phase instead of 120. However to 
access the fullest combined three phase secondary outputs using three 
secondaries in series simultaneously; in the conventional system any two 
secondary outputs that can be made in unity of opposites by wiring reversal 
cannot be used in the three fold combination, as it reduces the combined 
primary energy inputs. The 666 machine provides a way out of this impasse as it 
splits the magnetic field from each top and bottom pole of the line connected 
phase into separate time periods ! ~ 60 degree Time Difference from poles over 
Identical Phase Series! (Jan 2012) https://youtu.be/CBR1z5WaKAE In this video 
the first observations show that two different top and bottom sensors across 
two different phases are in fact in unity timing! So now we can use two 
secondary voltages in unity from different (AND NOT IDENTICAL) primary 
sourcing's and the problem of reducing the primary inputs with that extraction 
is eliminated. HDN
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[Vo]:The ambitions of Rossi the Reformer (his dream)

[Peter Gluck]

read please
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/01/jan-01-2016-ambitions-of-rossi-lenr.html

My best New Year wishes.to you all
Statement: I am a LENR optimist despite... (too long a list of reasons)
Question- wicked  but not my fault: how viable, i.e. able to grow is the
non-reformed,
not wishing to be reformed, not reformable part of LENR?
Reforming can come on many ways.
Peter


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Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

[Vo]:Another set of predictions for 2016

[Frank Znidarsic]

Jones will wait all year for his flashlight.


Funds from Dardin will dry up.


Jed will start a software project and make a fortune.


Peter will begin selling Putin calendars.  I like the diving picture.


I will make more Android apps.


Frank

[Vo]:Re: Crescent Dunes Solar Energy Project

[ChemE Stewart]

"You also have to return the loan with any profit you make. You cannot
choose not to pay back a loan!"

Actually, the taxpayers just paid off $539M of their own loan to Ivanpah.
Taxpayers lent the money and taxpayers paid.

"Now, Ivanpah is asking

for
$539 million in cash from the federal government. This time, Ivanpah is
targeting a Department of Treasury tax credit program that reimburses
renewable energy projects for up to 30 percent of project costs.

Ivanpah would use the proceeds to pay off a large portion of its $1.6
billion loan. The company is asking the federal government to provide it
with an enormous amount of cash to be used to payoff its debt to taxpayers.
DOE actually requires Ivanpah to apply for a tax credit to aid loan
repayment.

The process is absurd. First, the government uses tax dollars to provide a
loan guarantee to a risky firm. Then, it functionally forgives a large
share of the outstanding balance after providing a large tax credit. This
is an unjustified giveaway to investors in Ivanpah and a horrible deal for
taxpayers."

IPO funds are capital, not profit.  The loan gets paid back based upon
terms of the loan, not profits.  Lots of loans never get paid back if
contracts default or are lost and companies run out of operating capital
and go bankrupt.



On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Jed Rothwell > wrote:

> ChemE Stewart  > wrote:
>
>
>> The real play with Ivanpah was the IPO, which failed.  That way the
>> crooks would have had the taxpayers pay for it the first time and then
>> investors buy it a second time while they suck the money out and bankrupt
>> it.
>>
>
> This makes no sense. If the investors first borrow money from the
> government and then do an IPO, they have to return the loan with the IPO
> money. You cannot keep both the loan and the IPO money. The taxpayers would
> not "pay for it the first time." They don't "pay for" anything. They lend
> you the money. You pay for it.
>
> You also have to return the loan with any profit you make. You cannot
> choose not to pay back a loan!
>
> As long as the power company continues to buy electricity from this
> installation, the taxpayers will get their money back eventually.
>
> - Jed
>
>

[Vo]:Predictions 2016

[Frank Znidarsic]

In March some professors in Sweden will release a positive report on Rossi's 
technology.


In June a small home use device will be publicly demonstrated.


It October a one megawatt device will be shown.  This will change the world.


By the end of the year an automated factory in Florida will be producing hordes 
of devices.




HAPPY NEW YEAR (2013)


Frank Znidarsic

[Vo]:Fw: [teslafy] The Conversion of Time into Energy

[Harvey Norris]

 Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances 
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/

 On Friday, January 1, 2016 12:36 PM, "harv...@yahoo.com [teslafy]" 
 wrote:
 

     This is a jpeg from an older video not put on you tube because the 
amperage meters were not  turned 
on.https://www.flickr.com/photos/harvich/24107343585/in/dateposted-public/According
 to relativity traveling through space near light velocities will compress the 
time on the moving frame of reference to that of the non-moving one. A 20% time 
compression would mean that for one second of our time; the moving observer 
would experience one second of time in only 4/5ths of our time. Conversely from 
the moving and constricted frame of reference our time would be happening as 
the reciprocal of this, or 5/4ths of a second happening for every one of the 
moving observers seconds. This would also imply that if we could send energy 
(as electrical amperage) between the time frames, since wattage is expressed as 
joules of energy per second: and each second is not identical to each other: 
that more energy would come out from the expanded side then that which came 
from the constricted time side. We would literally be converting time into 
energy. But because the moving and non moving parts could not be connected 
together to exchange energy we need something called "localized relativistic 
effects" to accomplish this, and science does not accept this as being 
possible. Now with three phase electricity we can measure how far apart in time 
each phase is; and when all three measurements are added together they should 
add up to 360 degrees, simply because there are 360 degrees of time in the time 
circle. Here I have shown the degrees of time separation on the (primary) part 
that takes electricity from the three phase alternator and it shows an 
impossible ~290 degrees. (this is done with trigonometry predicting the shapes 
of the drawn out triangles ) And according to theory and verifying that theory 
the other parts receiving that energy through space as secondaries reacting to 
the magnetic fields emitted from the part displaying a localized relativistic 
effect of time compression; those parts will show more energy out then the 
amount put in by the primary system. It is literally the conversion of time 
into energy and 100 years after Einstein published his theory of relativity, I 
have now made a practical invention of the principle in which relativity is 
harnessed by moving magnetic fields in space, rather then actual moving 
physical parts in space. Anyone who knows how to measure resistance and 
determine the amount of energy released as heat by the I squared R equation is 
welcome to see and inspect my demonstration of the 666 machine where 60% more 
energy goes out from what is put in. Now then we come to the question of how to 
use this enhanced energy source. That is why I use an open ended discharge 
between a ground and an elevated terminal going into the sky. If the potentials 
were used in the conventional way in which two wires are connected to the load, 
the secondary potential will be more or less used up to a degree, and we may no 
longer see more energy going out then is put in.Sincerely HDN
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Re: [Vo]:Re: Crescent Dunes Solar Energy Project

[Jed Rothwell]

ChemE Stewart  wrote:


> Actually, the taxpayers just paid off $539M of their own loan to Ivanpah.
> Taxpayers lent the money and taxpayers paid.
>

That is not what Renewable Energy News said. I do not know which version of
the news is correct, but I kind of doubt the Federal Government would agree
to the arrangement described in your source. (Cato.org)

Both sources may be biased. Renewable Energy News is opposed to fossil
fuels and in favor of renewable energy and new energy sources. Cato.org is
the opposite. I doubt they have any objection to the gigantic subsidies for
oil and coal.

They oppose energy research, including research into fossil fuel. I expect
they would be furious to learn that DARPA has supported cold fusion!

http://www.downsizinggovernment.org/energy/energy-subsidies

Some of the items listed here, such as the National Ignition Facility and
most National Labs are in the nuclear weapons development business, not
energy. They are under the DoE but they should be in the DoD.

Speaking of the DoD, see:

http://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2015/11/06

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Direct power from E-Cat X

[Jed Rothwell]

Here is one of the claims of direct electric power output. I think this is
one of the most credible ones.

http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/DavidFselfpolari.pdf