Re: [Vo]:Holmlid, Mills & muons

2016-11-13 Thread Axil Axil
mischugnons... I might know what they are. They have made themselves visible in the research of Keith Fredericks that can be found here: http://restframe.com/ I have described the mischugnons as metalized hydrogen crystals and how they work, how they store GeV levels of power, how they manifes

Re: [Vo]:Holmlid, Mills & muons

2016-11-13 Thread Bob Cook
Muons, if they osuffer the same ccur in LENR reactions will be a real problem for LENR+. The technology will suffer the same issues as fission reactor technology minus one big disadvantage--raidioactive waste. However, that relative advantage IMHO would be significant with respect to current n

Re: [Vo]:Holmlid, Mills & muons

2016-11-13 Thread Bob Cook
Muon decay in bodily tissue should create a source of 0.51 Mev EMR equal to about 103 electron-positron annihilations. This is brobably sufficient to cause genetic damage, initiation of bad cancer cells, particularly in older folks whose immune system is not as good as it might have been in you

Re: [Vo]:Holmlid, Mills & muons

2016-11-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
Russ George wrote: In many many experiments over the years the mischugnons have made their > presence irrefutably known. > That's sorta lyrical, but I do not know what it means. This is not how people normally describe experimental results. More technical detail and some specifics would be appre

RE: [Vo]:Holmlid, Mills & muons

2016-11-13 Thread Russ George
In many many experiments over the years the mischugnons have made their presence irrefutably known. It is a thrilling time just now in cold fusion as there are many confirmations and affirmations of the choirs existence, we’ve been hearing their voices for nearly 30 years and just now the theatr

Re: [Vo]:Holmlid, Mills & muons

2016-11-13 Thread Eric Walker
Ok. So you've survived the stinkers and the peanut gallery and the charlatans, the high priests, the prelates and the faithful of physics. In your own experiments you've seen muons or mischugenon. On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 5:32 PM, Russ George wrote: What is interesting is that the real data has

RE: [Vo]:Holmlid, Mills & muons

2016-11-13 Thread Russ George
It's a very long walk, I began in earnest on my lab bench the week after the March 1989 cold fusion press conference, haven't stopped since. Some pauses to carry on with other important bits of life but still working. Having counted as working colleagues, defined by I or they standing side by side

Re: [Vo]:Holmlid, Mills & muons

2016-11-13 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 4:40 PM, Russ George wrote: My comment already gave my view on what Holmlid is seeing, are they muon or > mischugenon, that is the question. > Your previous comments were that they are either muons or mischugenon. You didn't explain why you thought they weren't something

RE: [Vo]:Holmlid, Mills & muons

2016-11-13 Thread Russ George
My comment already gave my view on what Holmlid is seeing, are they muon or mischugenon, that is the question. Regardless of what they are they are surely there and not one of the common inside the box beasties. That they behave like muons is simply listening to the data speak to us. Just listen

Re: [Vo]:Holmlid, Mills & muons

2016-11-13 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 3:57 PM, Russ George wrote: Of course some of the pundits in this swirling Vortex seem far more > interested in making a stink than in letting the data speak, such as is > common amongst bits found in such environments. I happen to fancy Holmlid’s > ‘muon’ as a very good s

RE: [Vo]:Holmlid, Mills & muons

2016-11-13 Thread Russ George
Muons or mischugenon’s that is the question. When I presented my evidence for similar mysterious sub-atomic beasties to Edward Teller many years ago his interpretation of the data led to him naming my mysterious particles “mischugenon’s”, aka crazy particles. Edward and I could really not make h

Re: [Vo]:Holmlid, Mills & muons

2016-11-13 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > Whoa, Eric. Since when does “logic” contradict experimental results? Where > – precisely - is this fountain of logic that contradicts Holmlid’s real > data? Isn’t every scientific breakthrough a contradiction of logic, > almost by definition”?

RE: [Vo]:Holmlid, Mills & muons

2016-11-13 Thread Jones Beene
From: Eric Walker …. Claims made by … Holmlid, which are contraindicated in multiple ways by a simple application of logic are nonetheless incorporated into analysis as though they are factual. Whoa, Eric. Since when does “logic” contradict experimental results? Where – precisely - is this

Re: [Vo]:Holmlid, Mills & muons

2016-11-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
Eric Walker wrote: > Some contributors here are in fact more reserved in their judgment about > different claims than they appear and simply have a communication style > that omits all of the careful qualifications one would hope to see. > Yup. When there are doubts about a claim, I like to se

[Vo]:LENR SAYS NO TO DEFEATISM, YES TO MATHEMATICS?

2016-11-13 Thread Peter Gluck
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/11/nov-13-2016-lenr-says-no-to-dfeatism.html peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Holmlid, Mills & muons

2016-11-13 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Brian Ahern wrote: > > The discussion seems to accept the fraudulent claims and empowers them. If > this was a legalaction we would refer to the 'alledged energy production'. > That is a weakness of Vortex. Claims made by characters of various stripes, including