RE: [Vo]:The "hero" LENR experiment ?

[Vibrator !]

In light of Rossi's apparent lead i'd be looking at the possibility of
spontaneous formation of novel condensates.  The D2 diatomic molecule being
a boson presents an obvious soft target for aligning spins to cohere into
shared lower-energy quantum states, the different magnetic moments of the
electron and nucleus of the deuterium atom passing through the high
magnetic moments of the Ni powder might cause some degree of polarisation
and/or phase coherence, etc. - the basic idea being to cultivate an optimal
fluctuation in Fermi numbers / system entropy relative to surrounding
environmental free electrons (such as in the reactor casing, say), which
may adopt the lower-energy quantum states vacated by the formation of the
condensates; thus forcing the vacuum to assign higher Fermi numbers /
quantum energy states to any fermions exiting a collapsing condensate than
they initially carried into it.  This manifests as an exothermic gain
accumulating over many such cycles..

..until thermal phase begins to approach resonant modes with certain
quantum phases (such as the zitterbewegung phase), resulting in further
quantum-classical coherence and allowing like-polarised electrons to begin
sharing Fermi numbers, so adopting the lowest available energy state but
also causing precipitous fluctuations in system entropy relative to the
environment, surrounding free electrons instantly co-opting lower Fermi
numbers as they become available, and so causing the vacuum to assign
necessarily-higher quantum energy states to fermions exiting
transiently-coherent quasi-bosonic states and yadda yadda runaway feedback
loop.

Vacuum / ZP energy, bashically, a la EM OU - the accelerated / heated
fermions exiting the meta-stable bosonic states being impelled by a flux of
positive h-bar endowed by virtual photons corralled from vacuum per QED -
ie. the actual form of the gain being normal Coulomb repulsion between
decohering fermions, albeit with vacuum-inflated quantum energy states.

LENR effects may be epiphenomenal to the common energy gain principle, an
almost incidental artefact of spontaneous long-range coupling between
nuclei immersed in a matrix of coherent quasi-bosons allowing them to
interact in some sense as if already within one another's proton radii,
presumably conserving baryon number if not initial disposition (again, a
different kind of effective Coulomb exploit).  The key dynamic would simply
be that transiently-stable shared lower-energy quantum states free up Fermi
numbers that any environmental fermions in higher energy states will
automatically drop down into, necessitating the assigning of higher Fermi
numbers to those departing these shared states, thus energising these
collapses with an extra kick of ambient h-bar from vacuum.

This is basically what Rossi's doing via contained cold plasmas -
time-critical selective-energisation of electrons over ions causing
like-polasrised condensates of the former to precipitate out onto the
latter, forming transiently-stable structures with an emission line
consistent with the precessional moment of a protium-nucleated thermo-ZBW
condensate;  decoherence of which (reinstating Pauli exclusion) yields
excess energy, the cycle requiring cool-off time to prevent ions gaining
thermal equilibrium with electrons (via normal dissipation), hence a
discontinuous / pulsed cycle, in order to maintain the formative
'non-thermal plasma' state for consistently culturing these exotic
self-reactive species and the huge fluctuations in internal vs ambient
entropy / quantum energy states their concerted phase transitions apply.
Crucially, the system remains thermodynamically open to (and dependent
upon) the environmental exchange of entropy, 2LoT itself putting the vacuum
in a bind, which then HAS to assign higher energy states to decohering
fermions due to their formerly-vacated states having been reoccupied the
instant any up-up or down-down condensate initially formed..  and so a
'logic trap for nature', type stuff.

TL;DR - mebe the Thermacore runaway was inadvertent EM OU resulting from
exothermic closed-cycling of spontaneous fermion-boson-fermion phase
transitions - perhaps helped along by chance resonance with ambient phonon
phases - between molecular and atomic D2 - until reaching breakdown temps,
at which point the fermionic D2 atoms become bosonic ions and fermionic
up/down electrons which then want - through shear thermodynamic expediency
- to form like-polarised quasi-bosons sharing a unitary quantum energy
state;  everything's jumping back and forth across the Pauli exclusion
barrier in sweeping phase transitions - that's just what happens when a gas
of atomic and molecular D2 gets ionised - and because nature only cares
about balancing the books in the given instant, refermionisation events per
se (such as bosenovas) may be ideal bait'n'switch / shell games for
wrangling unilateral Coulomb repulsion from ZPE.  Rather than a 2LoT
violation, a kind of negentropic open 

RE: [Vo]:The "hero" LENR experiment ?

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Hi Bill and others—

Ideas on LENR theory:


HYPOTHIS:

1. Some/Most of the Ni powder were individual crystals of Ni which were a  QM 
(entangled) systems of  nucleons and atomic electrons coupled by a magnagentic 
"B"| field.

2. The QM systems of  my  first assumption could  be characterized by   
equations  (Hamiltonians) that characterize differing phases of the pertinent 
QM system.

3. Angular momentum  ands energy are conserved in the possible phases of any QM 
system.

4. Positrons, electrons and neutrinos make up the elementary  particles of the 
assumed QM systems  proposed in 1 above.  (A nucleon model proposed by William 
Stubbs is a key basis for  this assumption.)

5. H or H2 when added tp the Ni powder become part to the QM  system as an 
additional lattice nucleons(s).

6.  A fast LEMNR reaction involving a phonic increase in lattice  energy and 
angular momentum, an electron/positrons annihilations and a nuclear 
transmutation with lower, totalangular momentum and energy equal to the 
respective increases of the lattice electrons.

7.  Relatively slow cooling of the "hot" Ni  crystals follows per accepted 
theory.

NOTES:

1. AM is quantized at  in increments pf h/2-pi.
2 Magnetic moments are associated with the AM of primary particles.
3. Toradol shaped rotating  magnetic field may produce  what is commonly- 
called electric charge.  So(4) physics may be applicable to quantification.  ( 
Jurg may have better ideas about this.)

Bob Cook




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From: Bill Antoni
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To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The "hero" LENR experiment ?

If hydrogen adsorbed on suitable catalysts can be made to desorb for example 
with UV light, and if then a transition of the H atoms to a compressed state in 
desorption also in turn causes the emission of UV light (without focus on any 
theory in particular, although R. Mills has studied such emissions with his 
Hydrinos) in a positive feedback loop, one such laser might be possible, but it 
all depends on how probable such transitions are. They are likely to be very 
rare with ordinary, untreated hydrogen-active metals (Ni, Pd, Pt, etc) or also 
more complex catalysts as used in commercial chemical reactors, causing them to 
go unnoticed most of the time. So, it's unknown whether such laser would be 
actually feasible in practice.

Although it will not work for a laser, with these mechanisms in mind, perhaps a 
reactor composed of a very long coiled tube with the active material coated on 
its internal walls could work more efficiently than a big chamber with loose 
powder, while still being in principle overall relatively simple to craft. The 
tube could be coiled around a heater of some sort, and tube geometry and gas 
admission would have to be such as to maximize repeated hydrogen contact with 
the catalyst coated on the internal walls (e.g. a straight tube might not work 
well and a free-flowing system could be better than one where hydrogen only 
very slowly diffuses through the material) instead of just absorption into the 
lattice as done in many gas-loaded LENR experiments.

I'm aware that one experiment by Mills or somebody else to verify his theories 
used a long nickel tube in an electrolytic cell, but that would be different 
than what I am thinking about here.

Cheers, BA
On 2021-11-22 19:54, Jones Beene wrote:
Hi Bill,

Your thought about "critical volume" is intriguing and brings up the 
possibility of efficient self-lasing due to adsorption/desorption and 
catalysis. Of interest would be the violet H line at 410 nm for which there is 
already a secret US Navy weapon in this category. Coincidence?

This could involve the possibility of a self-generating two-gas laser where one 
gas is hydrogen and the other is hydrogen in the collapsed state, formed in 
situ and making the device efficient due to a UV emission cascade. This might 
explain why a hemispherical reactor is useful (assuming reflectivity is 
enhanced)

In this regard, this old patent
https://patents.google.com/patent/US4159453A/en

and this article
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/lc/2008/839873/

seem to suggest that something like this possibility has been considered 
before... and might explain why the Thermacore project (with the Navy) was 
"apparently" canceled, despite the energy anomaly.

Probably worth a deeper look...


Bill Antoni wrote:

Jones Beene wrote:


One further thought about the Thermacore runaway - is there a potential lesson

there, for experiment design ?

There could be one lesson which can be called - GO BIG... but also BEWARE if

you go big.

Perhaps there is something akin to critical mass, which is important for

maximum gain, as in nuclear fission?

If there is a very small but non-zero chance for hydrogen to undergo certain 
transitions as it's adsorbed-desorbed from the catalyst 

Re: [Vo]:The "hero" LENR experiment ?

[Bill Antoni]

If hydrogen adsorbed on suitable catalysts can be made to desorb for 
example with UV light, and if then a transition of the H atoms to a 
compressed state in desorption also in turn causes the emission of UV 
light (without focus on any theory in particular, although R. Mills has 
studied such emissions with his Hydrinos) in a positive feedback loop, 
one such laser might be possible, but it all depends on how probable 
such transitions are. They are likely to be very rare with ordinary, 
untreated hydrogen-active metals (Ni, Pd, Pt, etc) or also more complex 
catalysts as used in commercial chemical reactors, causing them to go 
unnoticed most of the time. So, it's unknown whether such laser would be 
actually feasible in practice.


Although it will not work for a laser, with these mechanisms in mind, 
perhaps a reactor composed of a very long coiled tube with the active 
material coated on its internal walls could work more efficiently than a 
big chamber with loose powder, while still being in principle overall 
relatively simple to craft. The tube could be coiled around a heater of 
some sort, and tube geometry and gas admission would have to be such as 
to maximize repeated hydrogen contact with the catalyst coated on the 
internal walls (e.g. a straight tube might not work well and a 
free-flowing system could be better than one where hydrogen only very 
slowly diffuses through the material) instead of just absorption into 
the lattice as done in many gas-loaded LENR experiments.


I'm aware that one experiment by Mills or somebody else to verify his 
theories used a long nickel tube in an electrolytic cell, but that would 
be different than what I am thinking about here.


Cheers, BA

On 2021-11-22 19:54, Jones Beene wrote:

Hi Bill,

Your thought about "critical volume" is intriguing and brings up the 
possibility of efficient self-lasing due to adsorption/desorption and 
catalysis. Of interest would be the violet H line at 410 nm for which 
there is already a secret US Navy weapon in this category. Coincidence?


This could involve the possibility of a self-generating two-gas laser 
where one gas is hydrogen and the other is hydrogen in the collapsed 
state, formed in situ and making the device efficient due to a UV 
emission cascade. This might explain why a hemispherical reactor is 
useful (assuming reflectivity is enhanced)


In this regard, this old patent
https://patents.google.com/patent/US4159453A/en

and this article
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/lc/2008/839873/

seem to suggest that something like this possibility has been 
considered before... and might explain why the Thermacore project 
(with the Navy) was "apparently" canceled, despite the energy anomaly.


Probably worth a deeper look...


Bill Antoni wrote:

Jones Beene wrote:


One further thought about the Thermacore runaway - is there a potential lesson
there, for experiment design ?
There could be one lesson which can be called - GO BIG... but also BEWARE if
you go big.
Perhaps there is something akin to critical mass, which is important for
maximum gain, as in nuclear fission?


If there is a very small but non-zero chance for hydrogen to undergo 
certain transitions as it's adsorbed-desorbed from the catalyst 
material, then more than critical mass it could be a matter of 
critical volume of catalyst through which hydrogen travels before 
something occurs.


Perhaps that could explain why resonating systems are sometimes 
suggested to work well. They might be able to maximize hydrogen 
interaction events (defined as adsorption-desorption cycles) per unit 
of time with the catalyst.


Just a simple thought.
Cheers, BA

Re: [Vo]:The "hero" LENR experiment ?

[Jones Beene]

 Hi Bill,
Your thought about "critical volume" is intriguing and brings up the 
possibility of efficient self-lasing due to adsorption/desorption and 
catalysis. Of interest would be the violet H line at 410 nm for which there is 
already a secret US Navy weapon in this category. Coincidence?

This could involve the possibility of a self-generating two-gas laser where one 
gas is hydrogen and the other is hydrogen in the collapsed state, formed in 
situ and making the device efficient due to a UV emission cascade. This might 
explain why a hemispherical reactor is useful (assuming reflectivity is 
enhanced)

In this regard, this old patenthttps://patents.google.com/patent/US4159453A/en
and this article 
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/lc/2008/839873/
seem to suggest that something like this possibility has been considered 
before... and might explain why the Thermacore project (with the Navy) was 
"apparently" canceled, despite the energy anomaly. 

Probably worth a deeper look...


Bill Antoni wrote:  
  Jones Beene wrote:
 
 One further thought about the Thermacore runaway - is there a potential lesson 
there, for experiment design ?
There could be one lesson which can be called - GO BIG... but also BEWARE if 
you go big. Perhaps there is something akin to critical mass, which is 
important for 
maximum gain, as in nuclear fission? 
 
 If there is a very small but non-zero chance for hydrogen to undergo certain 
transitions as it's adsorbed-desorbed from the catalyst material, then more 
than critical mass it could be a matter of critical volume of catalyst through 
which hydrogen travels before something occurs. 
 
 Perhaps that could explain why resonating systems are sometimes suggested to 
work well. They might be able to maximize hydrogen interaction events (defined 
as adsorption-desorption cycles) per unit of time with the catalyst.
 
 Just a simple thought.
 Cheers, BA
   

Re: [Vo]:The "hero" LENR experiment ?

[Bill Antoni]

Jones Beene wrote:

One further thought about the Thermacore runaway - is there a potential lesson
there, for experiment design ?
There could be one lesson which can be called - GO BIG... but also BEWARE if
you go big.
Perhaps there is something akin to critical mass, which is important for
maximum gain, as in nuclear fission?


If there is a very small but non-zero chance for hydrogen to undergo 
certain transitions as it's adsorbed-desorbed from the catalyst 
material, then more than critical mass it could be a matter of critical 
volume of catalyst through which hydrogen travels before something occurs.


Perhaps that could explain why resonating systems are sometimes 
suggested to work well. They might be able to maximize hydrogen 
interaction events (defined as adsorption-desorption cycles) per unit of 
time with the catalyst.


Just a simple thought.
Cheers, BA