[Vo]: Hydrogen State Within NEA

2013-02-22 Thread David Roberson
I have been considering the behavior of hydrogen that is captured by a nickel 
matrix to obtain a better understanding of the system.   It seems highly likely 
that an individual proton would not be freely floating around within an NAE 
type region.  The electric field of this particle would ensure that any nearby 
electrons would be stolen and you would end up with an hydrogen atom.  Do we 
have evidence that this is the case or is there evidence supporting the idea of 
a free proton lingering around in a large cavernous NAE?


Then, when I think of hydrogen gas contained within a nickel cage, I 
immediately visualize interesting behavior.  Of course we all would agree that 
a very large container composed of nickel would hold a large number of atoms of 
hydrogen at the ambient temperature of the nickel metal.  A lot of the gas 
would proceed to leak out through the poor container material, but there would 
be a factor that could be described to define the leakage rate to be expected 
under various conditions.


The large number of captured hydrogen molecules or atoms would settle at the 
same temperature as the surrounding metal to exist in thermal equilibrium.  If 
someone were to place a pressure probe within the cavity he would measure the 
pressure associated with the quantity of hydrogen.  Now, what happens as we 
shrink the volume of the cavity?  If we decide to keep the pressure and 
temperature constant, we would have to remove gas in inverse proportion to the 
cavity volume change.  At a given temperature and pressure the gas molecules 
are a certain average distance apart, which in the case of hydrogen would be 
significant at room temperatures.


I am playing with the density calculations for hydrogen to help determine how 
many typically would occupy a small NAE that eventually approaches the size of 
a nickel atom.  I realize that I will run out of hydrogen a long time before 
the NAE gets anywhere near nickel atom size if I am to keep the captive gas at 
room temperature and pressure.


So, what are we to think of the hydrogen gas that is captured within a small 
NAE?  Does it exist in some liquid form due to the enormous pressure that would 
be required in order to force it to coexist with its fellow atoms?  You would 
have a difficult time compressing hydrogen at room temperature into such 
density.  The temperature of the hydrogen would be mainly determined by that of 
the surrounding nickel atoms, so the pressure must adjust in some manner.


Would this pressure paradox prevent more than one molecule of hydrogen from 
entering in a close relationship with its kind within small cavities?  It would 
appear as though the extreme pressure would result in the rapid escape of 
additional molecules or atoms into adjacent empty holes.  Perhaps this is why 
the loading must be so high for LENR to begin since once there are no holes 
nearby for pressure release the metal matrix must deal with the extreme 
pressure available.


The main final questions are: how would we define the state of the hydrogen 
trapped within the region that is so small that only two or perhaps six exist?  
Is this by definition a gas at very high pressure and room temperature?  When 
would it be considered a liquid?  Are their BEC implications? 


Let's make an attempt to define the state of the hydrogen that we assume is 
reacting in the form as it exists and determine what laws of physics apply.  
Any good thoughts?


Dave


Re: [Vo]: Hydrogen State Within NEA

2013-02-22 Thread Axil Axil
=
I have been considering the behavior of hydrogen that is captured by a
nickel matrix to obtain a better understanding of the system. It seems
highly likely that an individual proton would not be freely floating around
within an NAE type region. The electric field of this particle would ensure
that any nearby electrons would be stolen and you would end up with an
hydrogen atom. Do we have evidence that this is the case or is there
evidence supporting the idea of a free proton lingering around in a large
cavernous NAE?

The hydrogen would be incorporated into the walls of nickel nanowires as a
hydride on the surface of a micro-particle. The electron(s) of the hydrogen
would then form a dipole and enter into the space between the nanowires an
form a hybrid plasmonic/excitonic system .


On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 3:32 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:

 I have been considering the behavior of hydrogen that is captured by a
 nickel matrix to obtain a better understanding of the system.   It seems
 highly likely that an individual proton would not be freely floating around
 within an NAE type region.  The electric field of this particle would
 ensure that any nearby electrons would be stolen and you would end up with
 an hydrogen atom.  Do we have evidence that this is the case or is there
 evidence supporting the idea of a free proton lingering around in a large
 cavernous NAE?

  Then, when I think of hydrogen gas contained within a nickel cage, I
 immediately visualize interesting behavior.  Of course we all would agree
 that a very large container composed of nickel would hold a large number of
 atoms of hydrogen at the ambient temperature of the nickel metal.  A lot of
 the gas would proceed to leak out through the poor container material, but
 there would be a factor that could be described to define the leakage rate
 to be expected under various conditions.

  The large number of captured hydrogen molecules or atoms would settle at
 the same temperature as the surrounding metal to exist in thermal
 equilibrium.  If someone were to place a pressure probe within the cavity
 he would measure the pressure associated with the quantity of hydrogen.
  Now, what happens as we shrink the volume of the cavity?  If we decide to
 keep the pressure and temperature constant, we would have to remove gas in
 inverse proportion to the cavity volume change.  At a given temperature and
 pressure the gas molecules are a certain average distance apart, which in
 the case of hydrogen would be significant at room temperatures.

  I am playing with the density calculations for hydrogen to help
 determine how many typically would occupy a small NAE that eventually
 approaches the size of a nickel atom.  I realize that I will run out of
 hydrogen a long time before the NAE gets anywhere near nickel atom size if
 I am to keep the captive gas at room temperature and pressure.

  So, what are we to think of the hydrogen gas that is captured within a
 small NAE?  Does it exist in some liquid form due to the enormous pressure
 that would be required in order to force it to coexist with its fellow
 atoms?  You would have a difficult time compressing hydrogen at room
 temperature into such density.  The temperature of the hydrogen would be
 mainly determined by that of the surrounding nickel atoms, so the pressure
 must adjust in some manner.

  Would this pressure paradox prevent more than one molecule of hydrogen
 from entering in a close relationship with its kind within small cavities?
  It would appear as though the extreme pressure would result in the rapid
 escape of additional molecules or atoms into adjacent empty holes.  Perhaps
 this is why the loading must be so high for LENR to begin since once there
 are no holes nearby for pressure release the metal matrix must deal with
 the extreme pressure available.

  The main final questions are: how would we define the state of the
 hydrogen trapped within the region that is so small that only two or
 perhaps six exist?  Is this by definition a gas at very high pressure and
 room temperature?  When would it be considered a liquid?  Are their BEC
 implications?

  Let's make an attempt to define the state of the hydrogen that we assume
 is reacting in the form as it exists and determine what laws of physics
 apply.  Any good thoughts?

  Dave