[Vo]:Popular Science Article: Andrea Rossi's Black Box
Just finished reading Popular Science's November article on Rossi the LENR movement. Article by Steve Featherstone. I was prepared to dislike the contents. However, I have to say that I thought it was a pretty decent read. Reasonably informative, all considered. Not surprisingly Rossi and his mysterious e-cats came across as highly unreliable enigmas particularly since the Italian steadfastly refuses independent validation. As Jed has sed numerous times, Rossi doesn't seem to give a damn about how he is perceived within academia, the scientific community, and by the general public. Rossi has sed all along that is primary plan is to first commercialize his ecat technology first, and only then let scientific validation follow. I gather most observers are beginning to suspect Rossi is in real danger of having his thunder stolen right under his feet as a result of his steadfast refusal to allow most kinds of outside help. Perhaps there is a lesson in all of this, but who really knows. I was delighted that Featherstone concluded his article with an interview with Celani. The interviewer actually got to see some of Celani's work. It was also emphasized that Celani will allow his work to be independently replicated validated. While Celani's meager little wire filaments in a test tube appear far less impressive than Rossi's bulky tin-foiled eCats most Vorts realize the fact that if independent validation is indeed forthcoming (and that does appear to be happening as we speak), Rossi's initial flamboyant splash into the public arena is likely to be relegated to nothing more than a footnote of colorful LENR history. Fair enuf! Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Popular Science Article: Andrea Rossi's Black Box
OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: However, I have to say that I thought it was a pretty decent read. Reasonably informative, all considered. Yup. It was about Rossi, not cold fusion in general. It was not intended to be technical. Given those constraints it was pretty good. Fair and balanced. Let's face it: there is not a lot you can say about Rossi that puts him in a good light. While Celani’s meager little wire filaments in a test tube appear far less impressive than Rossi’s bulky tin-foiled eCats most Vorts realize the fact that if independent validation is indeed forthcoming (and that does appear to be happening as we speak) . . . Validation or refutation, as the case may be. Celani has sent out several wires to people who seem to be competent. If it does work, it may not be long before we hear about it. It might not work though. Be prepared for that. It may be that: 1. It does not work. Celani is making a mistake. 2. It does work in Celani's lab with his setup BUT When you ship a wire it is damaged by vibration or exposure to air and it does not work OR Celani does something he does not realize he is doing, so he does not tell others to do it. There are many grim possibilities. Usually, efforts of this nature play out for months and no clear decision emerges. We have been down that road many times. Don't get your hopes up too much. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Popular Science article Andrea Rossi's Black Box
as far as I've read, the system changent recently in Italy, to match others, so it might be misintepreted today. Dottore Magistrale seems to be the title of Master Degree, and the tittle of PhD students. It seems as far as I've found, that in filosofia refer really to philosophy study in Milan, not to the obsolete term Ph of PhD... So Rossi seems to have a Master Degree in philosophy of Science, which might not be the most technical diploma to run an energy lab... It might be nice to run a start-up company in a paradigm changing technology, or even better to run a journal of science... Anyway, at that level, with motivation, everybody can learn from books and colleagues. Rossi is a mystery for me... 2012/10/16 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com Somewhere I've seen that's a master of sciences, which back then was the maximum degree, I think. 2012/10/16 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Rossi's degree is from U. Milan: http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3197200.ece/BINARY/Rossi_degree_University_Milan.pdf Not a PhD, but I gather it is somewhat more than a B.A. - Jed -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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http://pesn.com/2012/10/16/9602208_Andrea-Rossis_Black-Box--by_Popular-Science/ With thumbnails of the article and a few comments (Not a hit piece, but with inaccuracies).
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Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: http://pesn.com/2012/10/16/**9602208_Andrea-Rossis_Black-** Box--by_Popular-Science/http://pesn.com/2012/10/16/9602208_Andrea-Rossis_Black-Box--by_Popular-Science/ I think that is a fair review. I agree for the most part. There were some minor inaccuracies in the story, but nothing serious in my opinion. I wish it had taken a broader look at the field. - Jed
[Vo]:Popular Science article Andrea Rossi's Black Box
I got a chance to read this article. It is mostly about Rossi, and only a little about other researchers. It is mostly a human interest story about Rossi and his many annoying quirks and habits. After the author went all the way to Italy to interview Rossi, Rossi abruptly cancelled. Then argued for a day, then un-cancelled and met. It sounds typical of Rossi. Then the author went to meet and interview some skeptics who knew nothing about cold fusion. They dismissed researchers as a bunch of no-account amateurs. They apparently have not read anything and they know nothing about the results. They dismiss the claims because the heat far exceeds the limits of chemistry. That is the very reason the researchers think the effect is real! The seem unaware of the contradiction. I think it is a waste of time talking to such people, but I am glad their views have been published in the mass media. The last section describes a visit with Celani before he went to Texas. It is generally positive. There are no technical details in this article. There are some mistakes, such as the claim that Rossi's degree is from Kensington U. in California. That is a fake PhD. He has a genuine engineering degree from an Italian university. (I do not recall which one.) There is no doubt that Rossi is a skilled, accomplished engineer with many important inventions to his name, including some lucrative ones such as his biofuel Diesel engines. The author of this article attended the Williamsburg conference and was surprised that no one there flat out called Rossi a scammer. I think he failed to understand it is no great leap for the people at that conference to accept that Rossi is probably right. It is no big deal. Just about everyone at that conference has seen the cold fusion effect first-hand, including me. We have no doubt at all that cold fusion itself is real. We also think it is likely the Ni-H version works. A lot of us (including me) respect Piantelli and Focardi. Based on that, it is reasonable to conclude that Rossi's claims are probably true. His tests have been ludicrous as everyone knows, but convincing nonetheless. The very same thing can be said for the light water tests by Patterson. Rossi is a terribly annoying prima donna, but so is Arata, and so were many other important scientists and other important people in history. Such as Gen. George Custer and Gen. George Patton. They were both superb generals, but they were such out-of-control egomanics and jerks that Custer got himself and his men killed for no reason, and Patton almost got himself fired for slapping a soldier in a hospital. You do not want to judge Rossi's claims with reference to Rossi's personality or his legal problems. The guy makes more trouble for himself than anyone I have ever encountered, with the possible exception of Russ George who is apparently conducting a gigantic illegal experiment in the ocean. - Jed
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Somewhere I've seen that's a master of sciences, which back then was the maximum degree, I think. 2012/10/16 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Rossi's degree is from U. Milan: http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3197200.ece/BINARY/Rossi_degree_University_Milan.pdf Not a PhD, but I gather it is somewhat more than a B.A. - Jed -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
