RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Rossi H and Ni consumption

2011-10-27 Thread Roarty, Francis X
On  Thurs Oct 27, 2011 Horace said [snip] It does not seem credible the energy 
from a Ni-H reaction, at least  
in the form of one gamma per reaction, provides any explanation for 1 MW of 
heat, if that thermal power is in fact achieved.[/snip]

Horace,
Assuming the thermal power is in fact achieved, and the reaction is not 
Ni-H, what do you feel is the next most credible theory ? 
Fran

-Original Message-
From: Horace Heffner [mailto:hheff...@mtaonline.net] 
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 7:49 AM
To: Vortex-L
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Rossi H and Ni consumption

From:

http://www.rossilivecat.com/

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Andrea Rossi
October 25th, 2011 at 4:59 PM
Dear Thomas Blakeslee:
Grams/Power for a 180 days charge
Hydrogen: 18000 g
Nickel: 1 g
Warm Regards,
A.R.
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At atomic weight of 1.0079 the 18000 gm of H is 1786 mols. At an  
atoommic weight of 58.69 the 10,000 gm of Ni is 170.4 mol.  This  
means 10.48 atoms of H need be provided per 1 atom of Ni.

Assuming the reaction is Ni-H, as claimed, only about 1 in 10 atoms  
of H is consumed, thus 170.4 mols of H and a170.4 mols of Ni are  
consumed, maximum.  This involves the obviously wrong assumption that  
all the Ni atoms are transmuted, not a more realistic 3 percent.   
There is also an outside possibility the H reacts with daughter  
products, giving the possibility of 10 subsequent daughter reactions  
per primary Ni+H reaction. Three such reactions is an outside  
possibility.

One MW for 180 days is 1.556x10^13 J, or 10^7 MJ.  That is  
(6.241x10^24 eV/MJ)*(1.556x10^13 J)/(170.4 mol * 6.022x10^23 atoms / 
mol) = 9.464x10^5 eV/(Ni atom).  If there is one reaction per atom  
and all Ni is consumed by single reactions than that is 0.9464 MeV  
per Ni-H event.  The gammas from this would be lethal at short range,  
even through 2 cm of lead.  If it is assumed that 3% of the Ni is  
consumed then that is 0.9464 MeV/0.03 = 31.5 MeV per reaction.  If  
there are an average of 3 daughter reactions per primary reactions  
that is about 10 Mev per reaction.

If 10 MeV gammas are produced then 5 cm of lead shielding will be of  
no use in protecting the operators.  If near 1 MeV gammas are  
produced the lead shielding is inadequate.

One MW of gammas is 6.241x10^24 eV/s, or, for 1 MeV gammas,  
6.24x10^18 gammas per second. using:

I = I0 * exp(-mu * rho * L)

where mu for 1 MeV is 0.02 cm^2/gm), and density of lead 11.34 gm/ 
cm^3, we have for 5 cm of lead:


I = (6.24x10^18 s^-1) * exp(-(0.02 cm^2/gm) * (11.34 gm/cm^3) *(5  
cm))

I = 2x10^18 free gammas per second.

About half that, or 10^18 gammas/s would be directed toward the  
interior of the container housing the E-cats, and most of the 2x10^18  
gammas per second would end up escaping the container.  This is an  
approximate calculation.  Even if it is off by an order of magnitude,  
this kind of 1 MeV gamma flux, even 1/32 of it from one E-cat, would  
be readily detected by a geiger counter at significant range.

It does not seem credible the energy from a Ni-H reaction, at least  
in the form of one gamma per reaction, provides any explanation for 1  
MW of heat, if that thermal power is in fact achieved.

Best regards,

Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/






Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Rossi H and Ni consumption

2011-10-27 Thread Horace Heffner


On Oct 27, 2011, at 4:49 AM, Roarty, Francis X wrote:

On  Thurs Oct 27, 2011 Horace said [snip] It does not seem credible  
the energy from a Ni-H reaction, at least
in the form of one gamma per reaction, provides any explanation for  
1 MW of heat, if that thermal power is in fact achieved.[/snip]


Horace,
	Assuming the thermal power is in fact achieved, and the reaction  
is not Ni-H, what do you feel is the next most credible theory ?

Fran



A Ni-H or even p-e-p nuclear interaction catalyzed by a Ni nucleus is  
not ruled out given there is a mechanism to disperse the nuclear  
energy in small increments and avoid radioactive products.


I think the reaction begins with a Ni electron being momentarily  
delayed in the Ni nucleus in a deflated state interaction with a  
proton or quark, as defined here:


http://www.mta online.net/~hheffner/FusionUpQuark.pdf
http://mtaonline.net/~hheffner/DeflateP1.pdf

This provides the Ni nucleus with a very large magnetic moment, and  
magnetic gradient, which permits it to be the target of tunneling of  
deflated state hydrogen from the lattice.  This results in multiple  
hydrogen nuclei present in the Ni nucleus, and a highly de-energized  
Ni-H deflated nucleus cluster, with multiple trapped electrons which  
then radiate energy or transfer it directly to k-shell electrons via  
near field interactions.  Various apparently non-radioactive products  
are thereby made feasible. Non-radioactive products are the branches  
nature prefers because they are the least energy products.


It is notable that no nuclear reaction may result from a given Ni-H  
deflated cluster, and yet nuclear heat, in the form of zero point  
energy, is released and then replenished by the zero point field  
after the cluster breaks up.  See:


http://mta online.net/~hheffner/NuclearZPEtapping.pdf

Discussion of this could be very academic if there is in fact no  
excess heat from the Rossi experiments. I am hoping to write a FAQ on  
deflation fusion, but have not had the time.


I will be happy to discuss this at a later time.

Best regards,

Horace Heffner
http://www.mta online.net/~hheffner/