Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy Corp demonstration at ICCF-24

2022-07-22 Thread Terry Blanton
Thanks old Beene.  I haven't read that one.

Notice Chevron is also an investor and Norman is their 5th generation
reactor vessel.

Cheers!

On Fri, Jul 22, 2022 at 7:14 PM Jones Beene  wrote:

> Terry
>
> Here is a little better coverage
>
>
> https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/30/photos-inside-tae-technologies-lab-and-nuclear-fusion-machine.html
>
> Were it not for Google being involved, however, it would probably be yet
> another "meh" hot fusion effort - perpetually thirty years away... BUT
> hydrogen-boron does avoid Krivit's main observation that anything requiring
> tritium to operate is dead in the water.
>
> Too bad that Norront Fusion went under.
>
> They seemed to have a solution that avoided most of the problems.
>
> Hey - maybe Norman can add muon assist. and get rid of some of that weird
> hardware
> ???
>
>
>
> Terry Blanton wrote:
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> More on the Google-funded TAE fusion success:
>
>
> https://www.newsweek.com/nuclear-fusion-google-reactor-norman-tae-technologies-1726342
>
> On Fri, Jul 22, 2022 at 3:57 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:
>
> Meanwhile, there's TAE's Norman
>
>
> https://world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/TAE-Technologies-secures-funds-to-build-next-fusio
>
>


Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy Corp demonstration at ICCF-24

2022-07-22 Thread Jones Beene
 Terry
Here is a little better coverage
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/30/photos-inside-tae-technologies-lab-and-nuclear-fusion-machine.html
Were it not for Google being involved, however, it would probably be yet 
another "meh" hot fusion effort - perpetually thirty years away... BUT 
hydrogen-boron does avoid Krivit's main observation that anything requiring 
tritium to operate is dead in the water.
Too bad that Norront Fusion went under. 

They seemed to have a solution that avoided most of the problems.
Hey - maybe Norman can add muon assist. and get rid of some of that weird 
hardware
???



Terry Blanton wrote:  
 
 More on the Google-funded TAE fusion success:
https://www.newsweek.com/nuclear-fusion-google-reactor-norman-tae-technologies-1726342

On Fri, Jul 22, 2022 at 3:57 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:

Meanwhile, there's TAE's Norman
https://world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/TAE-Technologies-secures-funds-to-build-next-fusio

  

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy Corp demonstration at ICCF-24

2022-07-22 Thread Terry Blanton
More on the Google-funded TAE fusion success:

https://www.newsweek.com/nuclear-fusion-google-reactor-norman-tae-technologies-1726342

On Fri, Jul 22, 2022 at 3:57 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:

> Meanwhile, there's TAE's Norman
>
>
> https://world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/TAE-Technologies-secures-funds-to-build-next-fusio
>


Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy Corp demonstration at ICCF-24

2022-07-22 Thread Robin
In reply to  Jed Rothwell's message of Fri, 22 Jul 2022 16:11:24 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
>Some people call the gain the "COP," but I think that is technically
>inaccurate. That means "coefficient of production." As far as I know it
>only applies to heat pumps. They do not create any energy, as I am sure
>everyone here understands.

However the COP of a heat pump sometimes/often exceeds 2.7, so it's debatable 
how useful this device will be by
comparison.
If no one clicked on ads companies would stop paying for them. :)



Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy Corp demonstration at ICCF-24

2022-07-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
8:54 AM Jones Beene  wrote:


> For many years they have claimed modest COP but nothing commercializable
>
> Can they now demonstrate net real gain?
>

Any gain is real, even 0.1%. Perhaps you mean "significant gain" or "gain
enough for practical or economic use."

I think Steve Krivit and some others say that a gain has to be 1 or above
or it does not count. Unless you get out 2 W for every 1 W of input, it
isn't a "gain" by their standards.



Some people call the gain the "COP," but I think that is technically
inaccurate. That means "coefficient of production." As far as I know it
only applies to heat pumps. They do not create any energy, as I am sure
everyone here understands.


Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy Corp demonstration at ICCF-24

2022-07-22 Thread Terry Blanton
Meanwhile, there's TAE's Norman

https://world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/TAE-Technologies-secures-funds-to-build-next-fusio


Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy Corp demonstration at ICCF-24

2022-07-22 Thread Bob Higgins
I think they are now claiming an electrical -thermal COP of 2.7.

On Fri, Jul 22, 2022, 6:54 AM Jones Beene  wrote:

> Can anyone comment on the reality of the Brillouin "breakthrough" claim ?
>
> For many years they have claimed modest COP but nothing commercializable
>
> Can they now demonstrate net real gain?
>
>
>
> Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
> QUOTE:
>
> Brillouin Energy Corp Demonstrates CleanTech Licensable Solid State Fusion
> Boiler System at the 24th Annual International Conference on Cold Fusion (
> www.iccf24.org) July 25th – 28th at the Computer History Museum in
> Mountain View, California
>
> Breakthrough boiler system uses hydrogen to produce low-cost heat with no
> combustion or pollution, paving the way to a clean energy future
>
>
> https://brillouinenergy.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Brillouin-Press-Release-ICCF24-7-20-22-Final.pdf
>
>


Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy Corp demonstration at ICCF-24

2022-07-22 Thread Jones Beene
 Can anyone comment on the reality of the Brillouin "breakthrough" claim ?
For many years they have claimed modest COP but nothing commercializable
Can they now demonstrate net real gain?



Jed Rothwell wrote:  
 QUOTE:
Brillouin Energy Corp Demonstrates CleanTech Licensable Solid State Fusion 
Boiler System at the 24th Annual International Conference on Cold Fusion 
(www.iccf24.org) July 25th – 28th at the Computer History Museum in Mountain 
View, California
Breakthrough boiler system uses hydrogen to produce low-cost heat with no 
combustion or pollution, paving the way to a clean energy future  

https://brillouinenergy.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Brillouin-Press-Release-ICCF24-7-20-22-Final.pdf
  

[Vo]:Brillouin Energy Corp demonstration at ICCF-24

2022-07-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
QUOTE:

Brillouin Energy Corp Demonstrates CleanTech Licensable Solid State Fusion
Boiler System at the 24th Annual International Conference on Cold Fusion (
www.iccf24.org) July 25th – 28th at the Computer History Museum in Mountain
View, California

Breakthrough boiler system uses hydrogen to produce low-cost heat with no
combustion or pollution, paving the way to a clean energy future

https://brillouinenergy.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Brillouin-Press-Release-ICCF24-7-20-22-Final.pdf