Re: [Vo]:Concerning sub states of hydrogen

2020-11-24 Thread H LV
I don't necessarily agree with everything Dirac believes, but he was primarily a physicist by nature who was also very good at mathematics as well. It is also true that mathematical prowess has become the most important virtue of a physicist which I don't think is good for the science. Harry On

Re: [Vo]:Concerning sub states of hydrogen

2020-11-24 Thread Jürg Wyttenbach
Do not try to search inside the old framework. Dirac was a mathematician with no clue of physics. He never understood EM theory and the later linking with GR made it even worse. There are no deep orbits as physics always requires forces that are base on a proper source (Maxwell! not QM/QED)

Re: [Vo]:Concerning sub states of hydrogen

2020-11-24 Thread H LV
On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 9:52 AM JonesBeene wrote: > Has anyone here seen the vials of supposed hydrinos that Mills used to > show at conferences? Were they ever tested independently? He seems to have > given up that gimmick (perhaps at the advice of his lawyer)…One wonders > what materials would

Re: [Vo]:Concerning sub states of hydrogen

2020-11-23 Thread Jürg Wyttenbach
To make it short: There is one single stable state (H*-H*) in Mills terminology Dihydrino...The physics behind Mills Hydrino is childish there are no isolated single Hydrinos. This H*-H* state has been detected by Santilli but he also claimed a single state. Mills made perfect measurements of

RE: [Vo]:Concerning sub states of hydrogen

2020-11-23 Thread JonesBeene
Has anyone here seen the vials of supposed hydrinos that Mills used to show at conferences? Were they ever tested independently? He seems to have given up that gimmick (perhaps at the advice of his lawyer)…One wonders what materials would bind to dense hydrogen or even if the material could be

Re: [Vo]:Concerning sub states of hydrogen

2020-11-22 Thread H LV
On Sun, Nov 22, 2020 at 6:28 PM H LV wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 22, 2020 at 4:20 PM JonesBeene wrote: > >> >> >>- If hydrinos are just more stable versions of isolated hydrogen >>atoms they should have been discovered in hydrogen gas using old >> technology >>many decades ago. But this

Re: [Vo]:Concerning sub states of hydrogen

2020-11-22 Thread H LV
On Sun, Nov 22, 2020 at 4:20 PM JonesBeene wrote: > > >- If hydrinos are just more stable versions of isolated hydrogen atoms >they should have been discovered in hydrogen gas using old technology many >decades ago. But this is just a strawman argument against their existence. > > >

Re: [Vo]:Concerning sub states of hydrogen

2020-11-22 Thread Jürg Wyttenbach
Do you mean no closed orbits? No flat orbits = classic planetary orbits do exist. All natural orbits are toroidal! See movements of earth axis! Mills: No the charge increases linearly with state number (N) what is nonsense as a locked in photon (Mills slang) cannot produce such a charge!

Re: [Vo]:Concerning sub states of hydrogen

2020-11-22 Thread H LV
On Sun, Nov 22, 2020 at 4:24 PM Jürg Wyttenbach wrote: > Hydrinos are based on speculative math and contradict the basic law of > charge invariance --> nonsensical. But there are Hydrino like resonances > based on magnetic resonance that is pretty close to the calculated values. > So wrong model

Re: [Vo]:Concerning sub states of hydrogen

2020-11-22 Thread Jürg Wyttenbach
Hydrinos are based on speculative math and contradict the basic law of charge invariance --> nonsensical. But there are Hydrino like resonances based on magnetic resonance that is pretty close to the calculated values. So wrong model - pretty good results. Dark matter is based on pretty bad

RE: [Vo]:Concerning sub states of hydrogen

2020-11-22 Thread JonesBeene
➢ If hydrinos are just more stable versions of isolated hydrogen atoms they should have been discovered in hydrogen gas using old technology many decades ago. But this is just a strawman argument against their existence. Harry What old technology, exactly, would have discovered them? That is

Re: [Vo]:Concerning sub states of hydrogen

2020-11-22 Thread H LV
On Sun, Nov 22, 2020 at 1:55 PM JonesBeene wrote: > *From: *H LV > > > >- Mills says his hydrino model of a below ground state hydrogen atom >is stable. However, if hydrinos were stable they should be more common than >ordinary hydrogen atoms which is not the case. Therefore, if

RE: [Vo]:Concerning sub states of hydrogen

2020-11-22 Thread JonesBeene
From: H LV ➢ Mills says his hydrino model of a below ground state hydrogen atom is stable. However, if hydrinos were stable they should be more common than ordinary hydrogen atoms which is not the case. Therefore, if below ground states of hydrogen atoms can exist I think it is more likely

Re: [Vo]:Concerning sub states of hydrogen

2020-11-22 Thread H LV
Mills says his hydrino model of a below ground state hydrogen atom is stable. However, if hydrinos were stable they should be more common than ordinary hydrogen atoms which is not the case. Therefore, if below ground states of hydrogen atoms can exist I think it is more likely that such an atom is

Re: [Vo]:Concerning sub states of hydrogen

2020-11-22 Thread Stefan Israelsson Tampe
I think that electron screening means that the nuclei also can aim better at each other. In hot plasma you do not have this screening effect. Also an effect to consider. On Sun, Nov 22, 2020 at 7:46 AM H LV wrote: > In response to hot fusion detractors of the cold fusion explanation of > excess

Re: [Vo]:Concerning sub states of hydrogen

2020-11-22 Thread Jürg Wyttenbach
There is one deep state for Hydrogen/Deuterium that has been detected by R.Santilli more than 20 years ago. There are dozens of fantasts that believe in deep electron orbits and some finally end up in nuclear bonds that cannot be understood by classic physics. H* the "deep" Hydrogen state has

[Vo]:Concerning sub states of hydrogen

2020-11-21 Thread H LV
In response to hot fusion detractors of the cold fusion explanation of excess heat, proponents of cold fusion say that the conventional theory of hot fusion does not apply to the conditions present in a lattice. The proponents argue that the lattice can somehow amplify the probability of fusion