Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT announces test results

[Terry Blanton]

On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 1:09 AM, Eric Walker  wrote:
> Le Oct 19, 2012 à 5:27 AM, Akira Shirakawa  a 
> écrit :
>
>> By the way, I wonder if the way DGT blacked out some information in the pdf 
>> above was *very* weak on purpose.
>
> I was wondering why the presenter in one video (Hadjichristos?) was wearing a 
> crisp, new NASA t-shirt.  Also note two references made in passing:
>
> * National Instruments was to look into a glitch that was found in their 
> software.
> * At least two of the testers were internationally recognized testing 
> organizations

I mentioned this earlier.  The scuttlebutt is that the test witness is
associated with NASA.

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT announces test results

[Eric Walker]

Le Oct 19, 2012 à 5:27 AM, Akira Shirakawa  a écrit :

> By the way, I wonder if the way DGT blacked out some information in the pdf 
> above was *very* weak on purpose.

I was wondering why the presenter in one video (Hadjichristos?) was wearing a 
crisp, new NASA t-shirt.  Also note two references made in passing:

* National Instruments was to look into a glitch that was found in their 
software.
* At least two of the testers were internationally recognized testing 
organizations

Eric

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT announces test results

[Mint Candy]

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Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT announces test results

[Jed Rothwell]

Terry Blanton  wrote:


> Gee, Jed, did you set up that flow calorimeter?
>
> :-)
>

Not me! I don't do secret tests. I don't sign NDAs. If you don't want the
world to know, I don't want to hear about it.

I have no objection to people keeping secrets, but I do not want to hear
those secrets. Generally speaking, the value of information is inversely
proportional to the extent it is kept secret.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT announces test results

[Alan J Fletcher]

At 11:01 AM 10/19/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote:

Unfortunately, the result is only that it SUGGESTS a COP of  > 1
Since Defkalion specs  have COP in the 20-30 range this seems rather 
disappointing.


The blog goes on to say :

The objective of this test was to get only COP>1.1 with a noise to 
signal ratio less than 10%. We got COP>3 very easy with noise to 
signal less than 4%. Note that the tested reactor R5 was not designed 
for maximum COP but to get maximum lab safety and control 
/understanding over the phenomena.

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT announces test results

[Terry Blanton]

On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Alan J Fletcher  wrote:
> Just like Rossi --- last signature box on the main report :
>
> On behalf of
> [Redacted]
>
> "The customer?"

Dr. Michael Melich

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT announces test results

[Alan J Fletcher]

Just like Rossi --- last signature box on the main report :

On behalf of
[Redacted]

"The customer?"

Actually, there are enough fragments of some of the signatures 
showing that it might be possible to match them to signed official reports.


Unfortunately, the result is only that it SUGGESTS a COP of  > 1

Since Defkalion specs  have COP in the 20-30 range this seems rather 
disappointing. 

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT announces test results

[Terry Blanton]

Gee, Jed, did you set up that flow calorimeter?

:-)

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT announces test results

[Terry Blanton]

That wouldn't be a new NASA T-shirt, would it?  Looks like the folds
are still showing.  ;-)

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT announces test results

[Terry Blanton]

On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Akira Shirakawa
 wrote:

>> · Explanation of the calorimetry set-up:
>> (uploading in progress)
>>
>> · Triggering the reaction:
>> (uploading in progress)

· Explanation of the calorimetry set-up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvmWGeryKQc&feature=youtu.be

· Triggering the reaction:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yax8oHzlXkI&feature=youtu.be

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT announces test results

[Alain Sepeda]

maybe are the "current constraints" the fact that he is in the e-cat
board...???

about Rossi, clear that he is lying all the time...
on COP theoretically limited to 6
on RFG needed
on DGT having nothing
probably on sales and delivery of MW e-cats...
add to that his errors, that he does not admit...

anyway from the satellites around I infer that he have something
valuable... but what?
When I want to guess what is true  I look at Proia.


2012/10/19 Akira Shirakawa 

> On 2012-10-19 17:17, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
>
>> http://ecatnews.com/wp-**content/uploads/2012/10/2012-**
>> 09-07_Test-protocol-signed.pdf
>>
>
> On page 18:
>
>  Test observer, Michael Nelson, was asked to come in lieu of Micheal
>> Melich due to Dr. Melich's current constraints [...]
>>
>
> Michael Melich is on Rossi's Board of Advisers too:
>
> http://www.journal-of-nuclear-**physics.com/?page_id=2
>
> This might sound like a stupid question, but since Rossi and his team were
> so adamant that Defkalion GT had absolutely nothing in their hands, now
> that Micheal Nelson positively reported for Melich on the excess heat from
> DGT's reactor, will they change their mind?
>
> Cheers,
> S.A.
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT announces test results

[Akira Shirakawa]

On 2012-10-19 17:17, Akira Shirakawa wrote:

http://ecatnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/2012-09-07_Test-protocol-signed.pdf


On page 18:


Test observer, Michael Nelson, was asked to come in lieu of Micheal Melich due 
to Dr. Melich's current constraints [...]


Michael Melich is on Rossi's Board of Advisers too:

http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?page_id=2

This might sound like a stupid question, but since Rossi and his team 
were so adamant that Defkalion GT had absolutely nothing in their hands, 
now that Micheal Nelson positively reported for Melich on the excess 
heat from DGT's reactor, will they change their mind?


Cheers,
S.A.

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT announces test results

[Alain Sepeda]

what a security tragedy...
hopeful it is not Afghan war infiltrated agents list.

only the big boss of NASA might feel uncomfortable (yet happy secretly,
that they will be heroes soon, after bloody insults by the mainstream
scientists).

2012/10/19 Akira Shirakawa 

> On 2012-10-19 14:12, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
>
>> 2012-09-07_Test Report Validation_Signed_No Names.pdf [3.52 MiB]
>> http://www.defkalion-energy.**com/forum/download/file.php?**id=30
>>
>
> An earlier version with names of this test report has been posted on
> ecatnews.com, pulled from the browser cache of a user who happened to
> stumble upon it:
>
> http://ecatnews.com/wp-**content/uploads/2012/10/2012-**
> 09-07_Test-protocol-signed.pdf
>
> The other 2-pages, 52 kBytes report was also reported to be originally
> longer and more detailed, but it looks like that version is no longer
> available to the public.
>
> Cheers,
> S.A.
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT announces test results

[Akira Shirakawa]

On 2012-10-19 14:12, Akira Shirakawa wrote:

2012-09-07_Test Report Validation_Signed_No Names.pdf [3.52 MiB]
http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=30


An earlier version with names of this test report has been posted on 
ecatnews.com, pulled from the browser cache of a user who happened to 
stumble upon it:


http://ecatnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/2012-09-07_Test-protocol-signed.pdf

The other 2-pages, 52 kBytes report was also reported to be originally 
longer and more detailed, but it looks like that version is no longer 
available to the public.


Cheers,
S.A.

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT announces test results

[Alain Sepeda]

"Names of the testers and the organizations they represent are still under
strict NDAs and have therefore been removed from the attached documents.
Defkalion will not disclose names."

http://www.lenrforum.eu/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=749&p=2692#p2692

My opinion is such, but I'm not expert, just trusting the professionals.
You critics welcome:

The protocol is simple flow calorimetry with aqueous fluid (glycol+water,
or water).
Tester is happy with DGT cooperation and sincerity.
The results imply sure a COP>3. Not chemical for sure.
Test repeated. Calibration coherent. Reaction is controlled at will.
The flow calorimetry with those fluid does not allow good performance.
As said before test lead to sparkplug shorting, even breaking a test in
process at the end.

It work, yet performance shown are not fantastic, because of sparkplug for
endurance, because of fluid used for calorimetry setup about performance.

Normally non chemical COP>3 is a revolution in physics, but I expect nobody
except us will care, as for the rest. Maybe the name of the tester can
change that, but there are already big name, and the only names that I
imagine powerful enough are "Science Magazine", "Scientific American", "MIT
boss". Even Nasdaq, DowJones companies, or N/Dxxx state institutions cannot.

2012/10/19 Craig Haynie 

>
> Test Results:
>
> Defkalion demonstrated > 1 COP of accumulated total energy output
> divided by accumulated total energy input (exact total COP will be
> provided in final report)
>
> Defkalion demonstrated control of reaction (start, stop, increase,
> decrease)
>
> Defkalion demonstrated a reaction output greater than equivalent
> chemical energy from mass of internal components
>
> [But the signature of the third party is blacked out. Why??]
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT announces test results

[Akira Shirakawa]

On 2012-10-19 14:12, Akira Shirakawa wrote:

Hello group,

Today, an official announcement about test results was posted on the
Defkalion GT forum:

http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=4143


Two videos have been added:

Explanation of the calorimetry set-up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvmWGeryKQc

Triggering the reaction
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yax8oHzlXkI

Cheers,
S.A.

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT announces test results

[Akira Shirakawa]

On 2012-10-19 14:12, Akira Shirakawa wrote:

Exec Sum of Defkalion Test Review - Sept 2012.pdf [52.49 KiB]
http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=31


By the way, I wonder if the way DGT blacked out some information in the 
pdf above was *very* weak on purpose.


Cheers,
S.A.

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT announces test results

[Craig Haynie]

Test Results:

Defkalion demonstrated > 1 COP of accumulated total energy output
divided by accumulated total energy input (exact total COP will be
provided in final report)

Defkalion demonstrated control of reaction (start, stop, increase, decrease)

Defkalion demonstrated a reaction output greater than equivalent
chemical energy from mass of internal components

[But the signature of the third party is blacked out. Why??]

[Vo]:Defkalion GT announces test results

[Akira Shirakawa]

Hello group,

Today, an official announcement about test results was posted on the 
Defkalion GT forum:


http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=4143


As previously promised, we are attaching two files that contain a signed 
protocol and a preliminary report by one independent international group on our 
technology. This marks the end of our first cycle of testing on our lab 
reactors, which lasted five months with 21 different experiments having been 
conducted by three different international organizations. The attached 
documents indicate the test results obtained by one such team.

The other two international well known testing organizations obtained equally 
impressive results following similar protocols while using their own 
instrumentation. These results, data, and full analyses by each of the three 
testers will be published in peer reviewed Journals as applicable by each 
Journal.
Names of the testers and the organizations they represent are still under 
strict NDAs and have therefore been removed from the attached documents. 
Defkalion will not disclose names.

In the attached protocol the first page represents our R&D path and our testing 
strategy. The test performed under this protocol can be identified under step 1.3.2, 
which represents the end of this section of our work in progress. Subsequent R&D 
steps and tests on our pre-industrial prototypes have already been scheduled by third 
parties (as depicted in step 2 – Hyperion Multi-Reactor Kernel Testing).

Additionally, all such tests have been video recorded. The following two links 
indicate a small sample of such recordings.

· Explanation of the calorimetry set-up:
(uploading in progress)

· Triggering the reaction:
(uploading in progress)

Defkalion Green Technologies
19th October, 2012


Links:

Exec Sum of Defkalion Test Review - Sept 2012.pdf [52.49 KiB]
http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=31

2012-09-07_Test Report Validation_Signed_No Names.pdf [3.52 MiB]
http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=30

Cheers,
S.A.