RE: [Vo]:E-Cat THrust....EmDrive

2016-04-04 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message-
From: Craig Haynie 

This doesn't make any sense. If there was some kind of thrust being developed 
in the ecat, along the lines of the emdrive, then no one would ever know. If no 
one tries to measure it, they'll never see it, or suspect it.
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Heck, Craig - didn't you hear: it also cures baldness, stops that embarrassing 
itch and pays for itself in as little as two months. Your results may vary.

Seriously, from the blogs today, it looks like that the faithful are being 
prepared for "COP-shock." Not 12 any longer, not even 6, maybe not even 2. But 
we do have this: "more than 1.5" say AR.

Actually COP=1.5 would be fantastic, if Rossi could fully document a run of 
2000 hours, with 2 GWhrs of heat out and an average rock-solid COP of 1.5.  
Over 20 years ago, Thermacore ran electrolysis cells for an 8000 hour year with 
that same COP but only at the 50 watt level. Rossi will be vindicated even with 
low COP since there will be market in a few areas.

I do not believe that this will happen, or else IH would already be onboard. 
They certainly realize COP= 1.5 amounts to a paradigm shift, even if the heat 
still cost 4 times more than natural gas.

The big problem is looming - that even with reduced expectations - the data 
will not be there to fully validate the claim, and the customer will not be 
available to freely comment on the experience.

Ron Kita wrote:
> Greetings Vortex-L,
>
> I wonder if the term Ecat-Q is a mistake or something that I misssed:
> http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/04/04/now-thrust-from-the-e-cat/
>
> Per aspera...Ad astra,
> Ron Kita, Chiralex, Doylestown PA


RE: [Vo]:E-Cat THrust....EmDrive

2016-04-04 Thread Roarty, Francis X
I suggested Mills should look for thrust also with a battery powered reactor on 
a beam balance, but my proposal is that drag would be easier to detect than 
thrust when comparing reaction time to counterbalances placed on the scale when 
the unit was running vs off.  I also wrote to Shawyer about the Naudt’s paper 
wrt relativistic hydrogen – suggesting that his microwaves and cavity geometry 
could be the same process in reverse using microwave energy to create 
relativistic regions [someone suggested the rf may set up standing waves], I 
don’t think this effect would be as concentrated as a Casimir cavity but on a 
macro scale inside a resonant cavity  the reflected paths persist, accumulating 
a slight spatial bias. IMHO the longer vacuum wavelengths said to be restricted 
inside a Casimir cavity still exist but dilate and contract such that they 
appear smaller from our perspective and there is a shallower larger reservoir 
outside the cavity where  wavelengths dilate in the opposite direction 
–stretching instead of contracting to counterbalance the cavity. This could 
explain why we have claims of both accelerated and retarded radioactive decays 
but note the accelerated decays are always much more pronounced and easily 
detected.. Although the temporal axis is equally 90 degrees displaced from 
every spatial axis I think this biased segregation between acceleration and 
retardation may allow a loop hole for unbalancing reaction forces in a closed 
system to produce thrust.
Fran
From: Ron Kita [mailto:chiralex.k...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 10:00 AM
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:E-Cat THrustEmDrive

Greetings Vortex-L,
I wonder if the term Ecat-Q is a mistake or something that I misssed:
http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/04/04/now-thrust-from-the-e-cat/
Per aspera...Ad astra,
Ron Kita, Chiralex, Doylestown PA


Re: [Vo]:E-Cat THrust....EmDrive

2016-04-04 Thread Craig Haynie
This doesn't make any sense. If there was some kind of thrust being 
developed in the ecat, along the lines of the emdrive, then no one would 
ever know. If no one tries to measure it, they'll never see it, or 
suspect it.


Craig

On 04/04/2016 10:00 AM, Ron Kita wrote:

Greetings Vortex-L,

I wonder if the term Ecat-Q is a mistake or something that I misssed:
http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/04/04/now-thrust-from-the-e-cat/

Per aspera...Ad astra,
Ron Kita, Chiralex, Doylestown PA




[Vo]:E-Cat THrust....EmDrive

2016-04-04 Thread Ron Kita
Greetings Vortex-L,

I wonder if the term Ecat-Q is a mistake or something that I misssed:
http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/04/04/now-thrust-from-the-e-cat/

Per aspera...Ad astra,
Ron Kita, Chiralex, Doylestown PA