Re: [Vo]:Extraordinary Error -- no electric field exists inside a conducting liquid in an insulated box with two external charged metal plates, re work by SPAWAR on cold fusion since 2002 -- also ho

2010-02-24 Thread Horace Heffner
On Feb 23, 2010, at 4:24 PM, Horace Heffner wrote: Consider Frick's first law of steady state diffusion, which states the flow vector J_i for species i is proportional to the concentration vector (d c_i)/( d x) in typical cell conditions, i.e., one dimensionally speaking: J_i = - D

Re: [Vo]:Extraordinary Error -- no electric field exists inside a conducting liquid in an insulated box with two external charged metal plates, re work by SPAWAR on cold fusion since 2002 -- also ho

2010-02-24 Thread Michel Jullian
Hi Horace, Another typo: Frick instead of Fick. All these macroscopic phenomena you discuss regarding the motion of ions in an electrolyte boil down, at the atomic scale, to the electric force, don't you agree? In any case, in a dense conductor, whether liquid or solid or even a dense gas such

Re: [Vo]:Extraordinary Error -- no electric field exists inside a conducting liquid in an insulated box with two external charged metal plates, re work by SPAWAR on cold fusion since 2002 -- also ho

2010-02-24 Thread Horace Heffner
On Feb 24, 2010, at 9:45 AM, Michel Jullian wrote: Hi Horace, Another typo: Frick instead of Fick. That's a funny one! Must have been a Freudian slip. 8^) All these macroscopic phenomena you discuss regarding the motion of ions in an electrolyte boil down, at the atomic scale, to the

Re: [Vo]:Extraordinary Error -- no electric field exists inside a conducting liquid in an insulated box with two external charged metal plates, re work by SPAWAR on cold fusion since 2002 -- also ho

2010-02-23 Thread Michel Jullian
But Rich, like others who mentioned this before (as I recall Mike Carrell did), is right that the component of the internal field due to the *externally* applied DC Electric field in some SPAWAR experiments, through insulating walls, should rapidly reach zero in the electrolyte and stay there. I

Re: [Vo]:Extraordinary Error -- no electric field exists inside a conducting liquid in an insulated box with two external charged metal plates, re work by SPAWAR on cold fusion since 2002 -- also ho

2010-02-23 Thread Michel Jullian
2010/2/23, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net: ... Therefore ion motion in the electrolyte proper is mostly due to random walk and concentration gradients. ... The ion motion is due to a force, what kind of force do you think, the concentration gradient force? It's of course an electric force,

Re: [Vo]:Extraordinary Error -- no electric field exists inside a conducting liquid in an insulated box with two external charged metal plates, re work by SPAWAR on cold fusion since 2002 -- also ho

2010-02-23 Thread Horace Heffner
On Feb 23, 2010, at 2:09 PM, Michel Jullian wrote: 2010/2/23, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net: ... Therefore ion motion in the electrolyte proper is mostly due to random walk and concentration gradients. ... The ion motion is due to a force, what kind of force do you think, the