But Rich, like others who mentioned this before (as I recall Mike Carrell did), is right that the component of the internal field due to the *externally* applied DC Electric field in some SPAWAR experiments, through insulating walls, should rapidly reach zero in the electrolyte and stay there.
I suggested at the time that what might be operative in modifying the cauliflower like structure of the deposits was the AC component of the field due to the HV supply's unavoidable ripple voltage at its switching frequency (typically 20 kHz), however small it may be. A simple way to test this hypothesis would be to use a high voltage capacitor instead of a HV supply. Michel 2010/2/23 Stephen A. Lawrence <[email protected]>: > > > On 02/22/2010 10:32 PM, Rich Murray wrote: >> >> Extraordinary Error -- no electric field exists inside a conducting liquid >> in an insulated box with two external charged metal plates, re work by >> SPAWAR on cold fusion since 2002 -- also hot spots from H and O >> microbubbles: Rich Murray 2010.02.22 >> http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2010_02_01_archive.htm >> Monday, February 22, 2010 >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/astrodeep/message/42 >> _____________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> Each charged plate attracts enough ions of the opposite charge right to >> the side of the conducting electrolyte against its insulating wall, until >> the >> charge on the plate is exactly balanced -- thus each side is a separate >> charged capacitor, connected by the "wire" of the liquid. >> >> All the electric field exists only in the insulating walls of the two >> capacitors -- no electric field exists inside the liquid. > > This is true only so long as no current is flowing through the liquid. > > Just as in the case of a wire, if there's current flowing in a > conducting liquid, then there's an electric field in the liquid, as > well. (Otherwise, what do you think makes the ions move?) > > It's a common *approximation* to say there's no E field in a conductor > but it's not generally true, save in electrostatics. > > My general impression is that electrolytic cells used in CF experiments > do indeed have a current flowing through them. Therefore there is also > an electric field present throughout the region of the electrolyte > between the electrodes. :-) > > If the experiments were done with a superconducting electrolyte the > story would be different, of course. > >
