Re: [Vo]:Fracture drilling and the N word
One key detail which is the basis for Halliburton's technology (and much of their wealth)- although it is not widely appreciated outside the industry, is that in the last decade, in addition to traditional oil exploration, they have looked specifically for deep *coal*. Look instead of drill is the operative word. Coal? you say, why coal? Traditional natural gas deposits, per se, are not found in the same formations as coal. Nowadays you often must drill in 1000 feet of ocean to find new natural gas, since those deposits are found in salt domes in what was once geologically deep ocean... whereas coal beds were more often formed in bogs or shallow land seas, which is now under dry land. To find these prime deep coal locations, if one is secretive enough, one does even have to drill, at least not always- and need only to search through the archived records of past drilling, which every state requires to be kept in official records. There is a long history of drilling in the USA in almost every state. Some states have over one million wells which have been drilled over the past 150 years. Most of the efforts turn out to be dry but many old bore holes hit deep coal Useless (heretofore). Before perfecting the fracture drilling method(s), some of which are trade secrets, not patented, and cannot be used in the USA, due to risks and laws, Halliburton was able to get hold of the mineral rights for many of these deep coal seams - for cheap, for course ... since deep coal was deemed to be of little commercial value. Outside of Russia and S.Africa, you cannot find many miners willing to do the dangerous work of mining deep coal. Subterranean coal seams contain substantial quantities of methane. This has been a hazard of deep coal mining for centuries. This is especially true of Eastern USA coal. Thousands of coal miners have died as a result of this. Conventional natural gas reservoir store methane as a free gas under pressure, often in a domed salt formation, which seal-in the gas. Coal's unique structure allows it to store the gas through direct adsorption onto its carbon surface. According to the patents, methane adsorbs into micropores on the surface of coal- 10 to 100 square meters of surface area per gram of coal, giving coal beds the capacity to adsorb significant amounts of gas, often more than the same volume of traditional salt domes. It is released by hydraulic fracturing of plate boundaries. Halliburton previously (under Cheney's reign) had bought-up, some say stole the intellectual property, but then was able to perfect most of the patents and IP related to this technology into a robust technique. The beauty of this process for deep beds is that once some of the layers in the coal seam (usually a horizontal stratus) is fractured, and part of the gas has been released, then the compression-structure of the bed will further micro-fracture under the billion ton weight of the overburden, and more and more gas is released. It is an unexpected synergy. That is the better known part of the story, related to US production of gas from deep coal beds. Fracture drilling has other uses as well but none compare to this technology, in terms of ROI. In areas in the rest of the world, especially deserts, where the drilling restrictions are non-existent or more lax (i.e. the 'mordida' in Latin countries) there is much more going on than we know about. Halliburton has about the same level of secrecy (and use of strong arm tactics) as the CIA. Why do you think Halliburton is moving to Dubai? (besides the possibility of having all of their assets seized, if the Dem-wits should win the White House)? Well, in one hypothesis, some of that rationale might have direct relevance to CANR! As Paul Harvey would say, stay tuned for the rest of the story ... (teaser: page 2 will be the CANR connection to the advance extraction of deep oil and gas from otherwise dry deposits) Jones
Re: [Vo]:Fracture drilling and the N word
Howdy Jones, My ! ,What big eyes you got grandma.. as little red said to the big badwolf. Last week a 3.5 earthquake occurred, located 1,5 miles deep near Falls City Texas, just south of San Antonio. The news reported it likely resulted from oil and gas production in the area... hmmm. The geology around Falls City is interesting to say the least. Domestic water wells produce 130F water. A type of geology belt traversing from East TexasKilgore to Laredo some 50 miles wide sweep across Falls City. Lignite coal, gas, oil. H2S, CO2 and Yellow Cake are produced along and within this belt. For years Halliburton was known for it's fracturing services. They started in Duncan Okla servicing Phillips and wound up in Dubai as a strange hybrid oil and gas/ defense contractor/ black ops/ go between with an uncanny ability to morph. Dick Chaney was right at home running them outa Dallas.. maybe he got his ques and best material from watching the sitcom where the script is only for the gripper. Richard
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--- R C Macaulay wrote: Halliburton ... wound up in Dubai as a strange hybrid oil and gas/ defense contractor/ black ops/ go between with an uncanny ability to morph. Speaking of morphing - or maybe it is more like shedding some ugly stinkin' fat, they just unloaded (at least they did it for 'show' i.e. - on the public record) one of their biggest black ops moneymakers: KBR http://danmuji.ddart.net/science/physics/physics_tutorial/Class/sound/U11L5d.html Kellogg Brown Root, was a subsidiary of Halliburton until 2007, when bad publicity and civil and possible criminal indictments forced Halliburton to sell. IOW they did not want to follow KBR into bankruptcy when some 'liberal' jury awards one of the plaintiffs more than the net worth of the company - and that could happen. Another reason why Dubai is a highly favorable locale for the now slimmed-down version of Halliburton. According to the site above, KBR financed Lyndon Johnson from the 1940s and into the Vice Presidential position, was rewarded after Kennedys assassination with lucrative contracts in the escalated Vietnam War. Given the sleaze with which they have operated since the sixties, and most recently in Iraq, it causes one to wonder, was KBR actually involved in the JFK assassination? I have never heard that possibility suggested, even from the nuttiest Conspiracy Theorists, but has it been ruled out? Jones
Re: [Vo]:Fracture drilling and the N word
Howdy Jones, KBR ( Kellogg/Brown and Root) was once two respected engineering constructors. MW Kellogg started along with Bechtel, Kaiser and boys building the Hoover dam . Brown Root started in Texas as a road builder and grew and grew.. closely connected to Texas politics ( LBJ) That's how business was done.. but.. they never confused politics with getting the job done.. BR and Kellogg were once great companies. Back in the 50's I worked with many of their engineers.. super people. same for Kellogg. It wasn't until after LBJ and the Browns passed on that they forgot who they were and what they did best.. They bought a pig with the baggage carried by acquiring the rights to be sued by the asbestos lawyers. Probably why they turned rogue.. it happens. Richard --- R C Macaulay wrote: Halliburton ... wound up in Dubai as a strange hybrid oil and gas/ defense contractor/ black ops/ go between with an uncanny ability to morph. Speaking of morphing - or maybe it is more like shedding some ugly stinkin' fat, they just unloaded (at least they did it for 'show' i.e. - on the public record) one of their biggest black ops moneymakers: KBR http://danmuji.ddart.net/science/physics/physics_tutorial/Class/sound/U11L5d.html Kellogg Brown Root, was a subsidiary of Halliburton until 2007, when bad publicity and civil and possible criminal indictments forced Halliburton to sell. IOW they did not want to follow KBR into bankruptcy when some 'liberal' jury awards one of the plaintiffs more than the net worth of the company - and that could happen. Another reason why Dubai is a highly favorable locale for the now slimmed-down version of Halliburton. According to the site above, KBR financed Lyndon Johnson from the 1940s and into the Vice Presidential position, was rewarded after Kennedy's assassination with lucrative contracts in the escalated Vietnam War. Given the sleaze with which they have operated since the sixties, and most recently in Iraq, it causes one to wonder, was KBR actually involved in the JFK assassination? I have never heard that possibility suggested, even from the nuttiest Conspiracy Theorists, but has it been ruled out? Jones -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.11/1368 - Release Date: 4/9/2008 4:20 PM
[Vo]:Fracture drilling and the N word
High gas prices are opening up (so to speak) another kind of oil gas extraction technique, called fracture drilling, which was alluded to in a recent thread on the new oil discovery in the Dakotas and Montana (Williston Basin) http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/08/business/08gas.html?emex=1207886400en=3513e391adf7ae70ei=5087%0A At one time (before the negative publicity of TMI and the ranting of Jane Fonda) small nuclear bombs were considered as the ideal solution for deep shale extraction, but oil was too cheap then. In fact, there is evidence that despite all the nuclear test ban treaties in place, that the Russians routinely use small nukes to increase hydrocarbon output from deep shale. What better way to get rid of their excess inventory of weapons? ;-) A tamer version of fracture drilling, not involving nukes, was invented by Halliburton (more like the concept was partly bought and partly stolen). However, due to the chemicals used, I am not so sure that nukes aren't preferable in terms of actual toxicity in the finished product. It should be possible, even easy, to purposely design a small (suitcase) nuke that is actually much less toxic to the *surface* environment, for the same amount of hydrocarbons which are recovered ... except for objections of the Sierra Club (and even many green Vorticians, including moi). It is even possible that our beloved Petro-Mafia does NOT want this, since the net effect might serve to bring down per barrel oil prices (and obscene profits). It is true that we spent billions to develop the so-called neutron bomb and it is clear that hydrocarbons do not absorb many neutrons and become radioactive ... and most of all - in terms of realistic comparisons - that there is more natural radioactivity in many kinds of oil-bearing shale than the amount that a small nuke would ever produce, anyway. The average concentration of uranium in Chattanooga Shale, which covers most of the SouthEastern USA is .006 percent, or 60 ppm ! That is incredibly high, and is far more, orders of magnitude more per volume, than the amount which a small nuke would add to shale which had no natural U. If a small nuke is used to fracture deep shale, surrounding rock would be activated but that could be dealt with adequately with in situ filtration. However, despite this - there is little realistic way our government would ever allow it here, and that is probably a good thing, at least for now. Let the Russians et al. work out all the bugs first. At some future time, without a breakthrough in LENR or hydrino-tech, for instance, we may be forced to do it here. But as always, the optimists on this forum see better possibilities on the immediate horizon: Algoil being one of them. It should be mentioned that there are a few folks, formerly associated with the Phillips Petroleum Company of Oklahoma, who might admit (deathbed confessional) that the small-nuke fracturing technique has been widely used in the Middle East, S. Africa, and elsewhere (probably because they sold licenses and the expertise to do it overseas years ago, or know that the Russians got there first): http://tinyurl.com/5sm3eo Anyway - this could be one reason that Arabia has so much recoverable oil relative to non-recoverable. One can reasonably suspect that some of the Middle Eastern oil we import now in the USA was recovered this way, and that our government knows this, but perhaps does not want this factoid publicly revealed, and would likely deny it strongly if asked. Quien sabe? Jones
Re: [Vo]:Fracture drilling and the N word
Quien sabe? Jones At the end of the day the solution to the supply of energy will be based on cost. Allow the price of fuel to rise to prohibitive use and viola! , amount consumed falls. We will see gas and diesel retail prices rise ( above and beyond the shrinking dollar) as a function of this strategy. The same has already happening in strategic minerals and exotic metals. A variation of this strategy is now beginning to work with the illegal worker in the US. The game plan is now to punish the employer. Selective raids on key job providers work because the word gets around quick. Jail time, confiscation and heavy fines for firms that employ non documented workers is beginning to have a major impact. Notice the sudden silence by our politicios on the subject of illegal immigration... that means the strategy is working. Richard
Re: [Vo]:Fracture drilling and the N word
Jones sez: High gas prices are opening up (so to speak) another kind of oil gas extraction technique, called fracture drilling, which was alluded to in a recent thread on the new oil discovery in the Dakotas and Montana (Williston Basin) http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/08/business/08gas.html?emex=1207886400en=3513e391adf7ae70ei=5087%0A ... Interesting article. The new bonanza of gas extraction going on in Pennsylvania doesn't seem to bare any relationship to what's allegedly going on up in North Dakota. I assume we are dealing with two completely different geological processes. Regarding the NY article... As always, it comes down to the bottom line. The final sentence: When Range came in a lot of people didn't like it, Mr. Deiseroth said, But things changed when they started getting their checks. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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--- R C Macaulay wrote: At the end of the day the solution to the supply of energy will be based on cost. Well... cost AND politics... and cost (greed) works both ways; therefore it is possible that you would see Exxon funding the Sierra Club to keep this kind of thing from happening here. BTW - courtesy of Fred, here is the site for the only (reported) US trial of this technique: http://www.atomictourist.com/gasbug.htm The project GASBUGGY shot was part of the overall Operation PLOWSHARE (Atoms for Peace) program. It is not clear if Phillips was paid a royalty for the IP or not. This occured on December 10, 1967 and was a 29 kiloton nuclear explosive detonated at a depth of 4222 feet. There are now available the so-called suitcase weapons of a few kt or less, which would be better suited for minimal irradiation of the well. This would be the ideal use for the so-called PFB or pure fusion bomb, if such a weapon is more than myth (not clear but unlikely) ... ... which mythological weapon reputedly has NO fission trigger! only high explosives for igniting the fusion reaction -- and consequently leaves an almost undetectable footprint in the oil itself. Jones
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Jones, Do a search on Project Rulison: Underground stimulation in a tight sand formation. Ron --On Wednesday, April 09, 2008 10:30 AM -0700 Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- R C Macaulay wrote: At the end of the day the solution to the supply of energy will be based on cost. Well... cost AND politics... and cost (greed) works both ways; therefore it is possible that you would see Exxon funding the Sierra Club to keep this kind of thing from happening here. BTW - courtesy of Fred, here is the site for the only (reported) US trial of this technique: http://www.atomictourist.com/gasbug.htm The project GASBUGGY shot was part of the overall Operation PLOWSHARE (Atoms for Peace) program. It is not clear if Phillips was paid a royalty for the IP or not. This occured on December 10, 1967 and was a 29 kiloton nuclear explosive detonated at a depth of 4222 feet. There are now available the so-called suitcase weapons of a few kt or less, which would be better suited for minimal irradiation of the well. This would be the ideal use for the so-called PFB or pure fusion bomb, if such a weapon is more than myth (not clear but unlikely) ... ... which mythological weapon reputedly has NO fission trigger! only high explosives for igniting the fusion reaction -- and consequently leaves an almost undetectable footprint in the oil itself. Jones
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--- Ron Wormus wrote: Jones, Do a search on Project Rulison Wiki has an entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Rulison When they say the gas was too radioactive to sell, the reference is to the gaseous fission ash from the fission of the explosive, including such isotopes as tritium, Radon and Xenon which are mixed in with the methane. The particulate ash would be easy to filter out. Most natural gas is slightly radioactive anyway (mostly tritium and some natural radon) but to a lesser extent. I can measure about double the background level at the exhaust vent of my gas water-heater, immediately when it turns on, but never when it is off - using a GM meter. That is something the gas supplier does not want to be publicized, but it is an absolute certainty that natural gas is slightly radioactive. Methane itself, however, does not become significantly radioactive. The problem is always derived from other gaseous isotopes which are trapped in the same formations as the methane. It turns out that these two elements, Radon and Xenon are easily removed due to extremely higher density, but at a price which was probably too high 30 years ago when natural gas was a small fraction of today's price. Tritium is more difficult to get out but has a very high value in its own right. If the Russians are selling methane from nuked-deposits to the EU, and there are plenty of people who believe that to be true (despite their denials) then they are removing all traces of Radon, Xenon, and tritium before sending it to Europe. In fact, the gas they get in Europe is cleaner than natural gas in the USA, and really too clean to be natural which indicates that it has been intentionally cleaned up. Makes perfect sense because the Russians can then sell the EU the removed isotopes at an even higher price for medical uses. Everybody is happy. Don't ask, don't tell ;-) Jones
Re: [Vo]:Fracture drilling and the N word
Jones Beene wrote: --- Ron Wormus wrote: Jones, Do a search on Project Rulison It turns out that these two elements, Radon and Xenon are easily removed due to extremely higher density, It's occurred to me that the radon might make a good core for a Brown Nuclear Battery. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
