Re: [Vo]:Geiger counters and fast rates of change of voltage gradients
I played around with my geiger counter an find it making beeps near my plasma bulb. It also making beep on a electric train then there are sparks at the connecting on the roof. I have heard that the geiger tubes is sensitive for electrical fields. But if the voltage is high enough a discharge can make X-rays. On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 20:13:28 -0700, "Kevin O'Malley" wrote: What I would do is investigate whether this alpha discharge happens when the arc reaches across a vaccuum. http://www.quantum-potential.com/ACT%20NASA.pdf [1] On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:07 AM, Nigel Dyer wrote: I have built myself a marx generator which produces an output voltage of the order of 20kV and which can produce a very nice fat spark if the output electrodes are close enough. I have a conventional geiger counter and I find it beeps if it is within 5cm of the high voltage output. The distance suggests alpha particles, but a peice of card makes no difference so I assume that this is an artefact picked up by the large and abrupt change in the voltage gradient. Oddly I could not find any reference to this artefact on the internet. Is this just something that everyone knows but no-one writes down? Nigel Links: -- [1] http://www.quantum-potential.com/ACT%20NASA.pdf [2] mailto:l...@thedyers.org.uk
Re: [Vo]:Geiger counters and fast rates of change of voltage gradients
What I would do is investigate whether this alpha discharge happens when the arc reaches across a vaccuum. http://www.quantum-potential.com/ACT%20NASA.pdf On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:07 AM, Nigel Dyer wrote: > > I have built myself a marx generator which produces an output voltage of > the order of 20kV and which can produce a very nice fat spark if the output > electrodes are close enough. I have a conventional geiger counter and I > find it beeps if it is within 5cm of the high voltage output. The distance > suggests alpha particles, but a peice of card makes no difference so I > assume that this is an artefact picked up by the large and abrupt change in > the voltage gradient. Oddly I could not find any reference to this > artefact on the internet. Is this just something that everyone knows but > no-one writes down? > > Nigel > > > > >
Re: [Vo]:Geiger counters and fast rates of change of voltage gradients
Let the bickering begin... On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 6:06 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > Quoting Franklin: > > "The electrical fire would, I think, be drawn out of a cloud silently, > before it could come near enough to strike" > > On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > > Sorry, Axil. The purpose of lightning rods are not to attract > > lightning. To the contrary, they are for dissipating the charge > > buildup in the surrounding earth and thus create a lightning shield. > > One company has made quite a business of building dissipation arrays. > > > > http://www.lightningprotection.com/ > > > > On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > >> The phenomena you describe is what Jo Papp used in his engine to > activate > >> his electrodes, that is, to make them more reactive. Interestingly, > >> lightning rods in the 1930s contained alpha emitters to better attract > the > >> lightning. I believe that this common practice back in the 30s is where > Papp > >> got his ideas for his electrodes. > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 7:07 AM, Nigel Dyer > wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> I have built myself a marx generator which produces an output voltage > of > >>> the order of 20kV and which can produce a very nice fat spark if the > output > >>> electrodes are close enough. I have a conventional geiger counter > and I > >>> find it beeps if it is within 5cm of the high voltage output. The > distance > >>> suggests alpha particles, but a peice of card makes no difference so I > >>> assume that this is an artefact picked up by the large and abrupt > change in > >>> the voltage gradient. Oddly I could not find any reference to this > artefact > >>> on the internet. Is this just something that everyone knows but > no-one > >>> writes down? > >>> > >>> Nigel > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >
Re: [Vo]:Geiger counters and fast rates of change of voltage gradients
Terry your reference is misapplied to radioactive lightning rods. There are apparently more than one technology to protest against lightning. I am sure your reference describes a superior technology compared to alpha emissions through radium. The purpose of this alpha emission rod is to "capture" the lightning stroke by generating a lightning streamer. See http://www.lightningconductor-ese.com/faq.htm On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > Sorry, Axil. The purpose of lightning rods are not to attract > lightning. To the contrary, they are for dissipating the charge > buildup in the surrounding earth and thus create a lightning shield. > One company has made quite a business of building dissipation arrays. > > http://www.lightningprotection.com/ > > On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > > The phenomena you describe is what Jo Papp used in his engine to activate > > his electrodes, that is, to make them more reactive. Interestingly, > > lightning rods in the 1930s contained alpha emitters to better attract > the > > lightning. I believe that this common practice back in the 30s is where > Papp > > got his ideas for his electrodes. > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 7:07 AM, Nigel Dyer > wrote: > >> > >> > >> I have built myself a marx generator which produces an output voltage of > >> the order of 20kV and which can produce a very nice fat spark if the > output > >> electrodes are close enough. I have a conventional geiger counter and > I > >> find it beeps if it is within 5cm of the high voltage output. The > distance > >> suggests alpha particles, but a peice of card makes no difference so I > >> assume that this is an artefact picked up by the large and abrupt > change in > >> the voltage gradient. Oddly I could not find any reference to this > artefact > >> on the internet. Is this just something that everyone knows but no-one > >> writes down? > >> > >> Nigel > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >
Re: [Vo]:Geiger counters and fast rates of change of voltage gradients
Quoting Franklin: "The electrical fire would, I think, be drawn out of a cloud silently, before it could come near enough to strike" On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > Sorry, Axil. The purpose of lightning rods are not to attract > lightning. To the contrary, they are for dissipating the charge > buildup in the surrounding earth and thus create a lightning shield. > One company has made quite a business of building dissipation arrays. > > http://www.lightningprotection.com/ > > On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Axil Axil wrote: >> The phenomena you describe is what Jo Papp used in his engine to activate >> his electrodes, that is, to make them more reactive. Interestingly, >> lightning rods in the 1930s contained alpha emitters to better attract the >> lightning. I believe that this common practice back in the 30s is where Papp >> got his ideas for his electrodes. >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 7:07 AM, Nigel Dyer wrote: >>> >>> >>> I have built myself a marx generator which produces an output voltage of >>> the order of 20kV and which can produce a very nice fat spark if the output >>> electrodes are close enough. I have a conventional geiger counter and I >>> find it beeps if it is within 5cm of the high voltage output. The distance >>> suggests alpha particles, but a peice of card makes no difference so I >>> assume that this is an artefact picked up by the large and abrupt change in >>> the voltage gradient. Oddly I could not find any reference to this artefact >>> on the internet. Is this just something that everyone knows but no-one >>> writes down? >>> >>> Nigel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>
Re: [Vo]:Geiger counters and fast rates of change of voltage gradients
Sorry, Axil. The purpose of lightning rods are not to attract lightning. To the contrary, they are for dissipating the charge buildup in the surrounding earth and thus create a lightning shield. One company has made quite a business of building dissipation arrays. http://www.lightningprotection.com/ On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > The phenomena you describe is what Jo Papp used in his engine to activate > his electrodes, that is, to make them more reactive. Interestingly, > lightning rods in the 1930s contained alpha emitters to better attract the > lightning. I believe that this common practice back in the 30s is where Papp > got his ideas for his electrodes. > > > On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 7:07 AM, Nigel Dyer wrote: >> >> >> I have built myself a marx generator which produces an output voltage of >> the order of 20kV and which can produce a very nice fat spark if the output >> electrodes are close enough. I have a conventional geiger counter and I >> find it beeps if it is within 5cm of the high voltage output. The distance >> suggests alpha particles, but a peice of card makes no difference so I >> assume that this is an artefact picked up by the large and abrupt change in >> the voltage gradient. Oddly I could not find any reference to this artefact >> on the internet. Is this just something that everyone knows but no-one >> writes down? >> >> Nigel >> >> >> >> >
Re: [Vo]:Geiger counters and fast rates of change of voltage gradients
The phenomena you describe is what Jo Papp used in his engine to activate his electrodes, that is, to make them more reactive. Interestingly, lightning rods in the 1930s contained alpha emitters to better attract the lightning. I believe that this common practice back in the 30s is where Papp got his ideas for his electrodes. On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 7:07 AM, Nigel Dyer wrote: > > I have built myself a marx generator which produces an output voltage of > the order of 20kV and which can produce a very nice fat spark if the output > electrodes are close enough. I have a conventional geiger counter and I > find it beeps if it is within 5cm of the high voltage output. The distance > suggests alpha particles, but a peice of card makes no difference so I > assume that this is an artefact picked up by the large and abrupt change in > the voltage gradient. Oddly I could not find any reference to this > artefact on the internet. Is this just something that everyone knows but > no-one writes down? > > Nigel > > > > >
RE: [Vo]:Geiger counters and fast rates of change of voltage gradients
-Original Message- From: Nigel Dyer "Oddly I could not find any reference to this artefact on the internet. Is this just something that everyone knows but no-one writes down?" Nigel, Yes, This is an artifact of RF noise operating on the circuit of the meter. This information can be found somewhere on the internet and is well known to Tesla coil aficionados. It comes up here periodically. You can minimize the problem by building a Faraday cage for the meter and grounding the cage. -- I have built myself a Marx generator which produces an output voltage of the order of 20kV and which can produce a very nice fat spark if the output electrodes are close enough. I have a conventional Geiger counter and I find it beeps if it is within 5cm of the high voltage output. The distance suggests alpha particles, but a piece of card makes no difference so I assume that this is an artifact picked up by the large and abrupt change in the voltage gradient. Oddly I could not find any reference to this artifact on the internet. Is this just something that everyone knows but no-one writes down?
[Vo]:Geiger counters and fast rates of change of voltage gradients
I have built myself a marx generator which produces an output voltage of the order of 20kV and which can produce a very nice fat spark if the output electrodes are close enough. I have a conventional geiger counter and I find it beeps if it is within 5cm of the high voltage output. The distance suggests alpha particles, but a peice of card makes no difference so I assume that this is an artefact picked up by the large and abrupt change in the voltage gradient. Oddly I could not find any reference to this artefact on the internet. Is this just something that everyone knows but no-one writes down? Nigel
