Re: Fwd: [Vo]:Greek version of Rossi on PBS

[H Ucar]

It is John Kanzius (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kanzius) first
reported to split water with RF. Otoh, I think I did it at 1996 with self
resonating coil circuit (Bipeg) to split the water in air having high
humidity and produced ozone as by product. Fields of the coil have rich
harmonics and now known to produce evanescent waves (near fields). Such a
combination make it little hazardous like ionization radiation.


On Dec 29, 2016 18:11, "Jones Beene"  wrote:

Frank,

The voice in the video is Stefan Hartmann who is German. He has an online
blog where... IIRC... he says that there are two GHz frequencies used in
the range of 150 GHz.

The implication is that that the lower frequency waves from the two sources
interact via interference to produce other harmonics including terahertz.

Frank Znidarsic wrote:

This video said microwaves.  The other said terahertz radiation.  I noticed
that the hydrogen burned.  When water is split hydrogen and oxygen are
produced.  This mixture explodes with a poping noise.  For the combustion
that the video shows the oxygen must have been be removed from the gas
stream.  This may have been done as the oxygen consumed the aluminum.  This
supports Jones claim that the consumption of aluminum produces the energy.


-Original Message-
From: Frank Znidarsic

He says he is using Terahertz radiation.  I has a frequency that is orders
of magnitude higher than microwave.  That's the frequency of nano-meter
cold fusion operation.  He does not state how he produces the terahertz
radiation.

Frank


-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene

Terry,
Here is a video of an older device, showing the basic setup - curiously
using microwaves. The amount of gas is indeed impressive but there is no
valid proof or even raw data to show that it could be anomalous.
Plus- he is not being clear that there is a metal electrode - which is
almost certainly consumed as water is split. He seems to be in denial of
that part.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE6k5eOJ4e8

 Terry Blanton wrote:


Jones Beene wrote:

> PETROS ZOGRAFOS is a Greek inventor who claims to split water in a way to
> get more energy out than was put into the system.


Transcript:

http://www.off-grid.net/power-tap-water/

Re: [Vo]:Greek version of Rossi on PBS

[Jones Beene]

Nigel Dyer wrote:

We had a very good presentation of Browns Gas by the Hurtaks at the 
last water conference although no overunity was claimed, just that it 
was able to improve the efficiency of an internal combustion energy. 
This looks to be very similar to a classic Browns gas setup


Nigel


Yes - the infamous "dry cell" or common-manifold multiplate electrolysis 
system, which created a stir on a few forums several years back ... 
thousands were sold, and maybe a dozen are still in service. But that 
argument is still being used (that the value of adding a tiny amount of 
hydrogen comes from increasing the efficiency of burning hydrocarbons in 
an ICE).


It is a valid argument, that much is true... but it was over-hyped, 
since the cost effectiveness of such a system is minimal without 
something more that has been demonstrated so far. I do know of a couple 
of large diesel installations in the Caribbean using the CAT 100L 
engines, where "HHO" is used to augment diesel - but there is risk 
involved and the payback is much longer than was promoted.


The real reason for keeping an eye on these inventors like Zografos - 
even though he may or may not be the real deal - is that the obvious 
connection to LENR means that someone may eventually hit on a technique 
for getting large gain. This particular demo is almost exactly what one 
would expect to see - if that big breakthrough has been made. When it 
happens, however, the inventor will be more than happy to let skeptics 
take real data.


It is easy to imagine that the electrode used by Zografos could in fact 
be both splitting hydrogen and oxygen from water and at the same time - 
densifying the hydrogen into UDH, which is almost what Randell Mills 
claims to be doing with his device, using an electric arc. RF would be 
highly preferable to an electric arc.


If that was happening, then the UV emission should be intense. Yet we 
have an open air demo with not protection. The most convincing detail of 
success would be if Zografos suffered from intense sunburn... which does 
not appear to be the case.


However, given that he appears to be a showman in the best AR tradition, 
look for his next demo to include a makeup artist and a red-faced 
inventor 

Re: Fwd: [Vo]:Greek version of Rossi on PBS

[Jones Beene]

Frank,

The voice in the video is Stefan Hartmann who is German. He has an 
online blog where... IIRC... he says that there are two GHz frequencies 
used in the range of 150 GHz.


The implication is that that the lower frequency waves from the two 
sources interact via interference to produce other harmonics including 
terahertz.



Frank Znidarsic wrote:
This video said microwaves.  The other said terahertz radiation.  I 
noticed that the hydrogen burned.  When water is split hydrogen and 
oxygen are produced.  This mixture explodes with a poping noise.  For 
the combustion that the video shows the oxygen must have been be 
removed from the gas stream.  This may have been done as the oxygen 
consumed the aluminum.  This supports Jones claim that the consumption 
of aluminum produces the energy.



-Original Message-
From: Frank Znidarsic

He says he is using Terahertz radiation.  I has a frequency that is 
orders of magnitude higher than microwave.  That's the frequency of 
nano-meter cold fusion operation.  He does not state how he produces 
the terahertz radiation.


Frank


-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene

Terry,
Here is a video of an older device, showing the basic setup - 
curiously using microwaves. The amount of gas is indeed impressive but 
there is no valid proof or even raw data to show that it could be 
anomalous.
Plus- he is not being clear that there is a metal electrode - which is 
almost certainly consumed as water is split. He seems to be in denial 
of that part.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE6k5eOJ4e8

 Terry Blanton wrote:


Jones Beene wrote:

PETROS ZOGRAFOS is a Greek inventor who claims to split water
in a way to get more energy out than was put into the system.


Transcript:

http://www.off-grid.net/power-tap-water/

Re: [Vo]:Greek version of Rossi on PBS

[Nigel Dyer]

We had a very good presentation of Browns Gas by the Hurtaks at the last 
water conference although no overunity was claimed, just that it was 
able to improve the efficiency of an internal combustion energy. This 
looks to be very similar to a classic Browns gas setup


Nigel

On 28/12/2016 04:36, Jones Beene wrote:
PETROS ZOGRAFOS is a Greek inventor who claims to split water in a way 
to get more energy out than was put into the system. Sound familiar? 
Shades of Stanley Meyer. He even uses the "resonance" spiel of Meyer 
and pretends that it is a new thing.


Zografos was apparently featured on PBS tonight but I missed it. His 
videos have been up on You Tube for several weeks however. 
Unfortunately he prefers to keep things mysterious so it is not clear 
if he is an inventive genius or scam artist in the best tradition of 
Stan... not to mention the recent demo of Randy Mills - which is a new 
twist on the old theme.


Zografos has shown several systems in the old videos but he is 
basically comes off as a showman who is almost as disingenuous as AR 
in providing no data. In one system, it was discovered that he was 
consuming aluminum from electrodes in order to split water in a way 
that makes it look super efficient - if, that is ... you forget about 
the energy required to refine the aluminum.


Maybe PBS is new to this kind of scam - the legacy of Yull Brown and 
Meyer and man others others ... or maybe Zografos has found a new 
breakthrough which is real anomaly. His past work was no more than 
smoke and mirrors - but there is always hope for the big breakthrough 
in splitting water with resonance.


That hope for turning water into a fuel is the legacy of Jules Verne 
who created a meme which is by now ingrained in the free-energy 
aspirations of every new age. Beware of Greeks bearing gifts.

Fwd: [Vo]:Greek version of Rossi on PBS

[Frank Znidarsic]

This video said microwaves.  The other said terahertz radiation.  I noticed 
that the hydrogen burned.  When water is split hydrogen and oxygen are 
produced.  This mixture explodes with a poping noise.  For the combustion that 
the video shows the oxygen must have been be removed from the gas stream.  This 
may have been done as the oxygen consumed the aluminum.  This supports Jones 
claim that the consumption of aluminum produces the energy.



-Original Message-
From: Frank Znidarsic <fznidar...@aol.com>
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Wed, Dec 28, 2016 11:13 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Greek version of Rossi on PBS


He says he is using Terahertz radiation.  I has a frequency that is orders of 
magnitude higher than microwave.  That's the frequency of nano-meter cold 
fusion operation.  He does not state how he produces the terahertz radiation.


Frank



-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net>
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Wed, Dec 28, 2016 6:41 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Greek version of Rossi on PBS



Terry,

Here is a video of an older device, showing the basic setup -  curiously 
using microwaves. The amount of gas is indeed impressive  but there is no 
valid proof or even raw data to show that it could  be anomalous.


Plus- he is not being clear that there is a metal electrode -  which is 
almost certainly consumed as water is split. He seems to  be in denial of 
that part.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE6k5eOJ4e8




 Terry Blanton wrote:


  


Jones Beene wrote:
  

PETROS ZOGRAFOS is a  Greek inventor who claims to split water in a 
way to get  more energy out than was put into the system.




Transcript:




http://www.off-grid.net/power-tap-water/ 
  

  


  

Re: [Vo]:Greek version of Rossi on PBS

[Frank Znidarsic]

He says he is using Terahertz radiation.  I has a frequency that is orders of 
magnitude higher than microwave.  That's the frequency of nano-meter cold 
fusion operation.  He does not state how he produces the terahertz radiation.


Frank



-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net>
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Wed, Dec 28, 2016 6:41 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Greek version of Rossi on PBS



Terry,

Here is a video of an older device, showing the basic setup -  curiously 
using microwaves. The amount of gas is indeed impressive  but there is no 
valid proof or even raw data to show that it could  be anomalous.


Plus- he is not being clear that there is a metal electrode -  which is 
almost certainly consumed as water is split. He seems to  be in denial of 
that part.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE6k5eOJ4e8




 Terry Blanton wrote:


  


Jones Beene wrote:
  

PETROS ZOGRAFOS is a  Greek inventor who claims to split water in a 
way to get  more energy out than was put into the system.




Transcript:




http://www.off-grid.net/power-tap-water/ 
  

  


  

Re: [Vo]:Greek version of Rossi on PBS

[Jones Beene]

Terry,

Here is a video of an older device, showing the basic setup - curiously 
using microwaves. The amount of gas is indeed impressive but there is no 
valid proof or even raw data to show that it could be anomalous.


Plus- he is not being clear that there is a metal electrode - which is 
almost certainly consumed as water is split. He seems to be in denial of 
that part.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE6k5eOJ4e8


 Terry Blanton wrote:


Jones Beene wrote:

PETROS ZOGRAFOS is a Greek inventor who claims to split water in a
way to get more energy out than was put into the system.


Transcript:

http://www.off-grid.net/power-tap-water/

Re: [Vo]:Greek version of Rossi on PBS

[Terry Blanton]

On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 11:36 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> PETROS ZOGRAFOS is a Greek inventor who claims to split water in a way to
> get more energy out than was put into the system.


Transcript:

http://www.off-grid.net/power-tap-water/

[Vo]:Greek version of Rossi on PBS

[Jones Beene]

PETROS ZOGRAFOS is a Greek inventor who claims to split water in a way 
to get more energy out than was put into the system. Sound familiar? 
Shades of Stanley Meyer. He even uses the "resonance" spiel of Meyer and 
pretends that it is a new thing.


Zografos was apparently featured on PBS tonight but I missed it. His 
videos have been up on You Tube for several weeks however. Unfortunately 
he prefers to keep things mysterious so it is not clear if he is an 
inventive genius or scam artist in the best tradition of Stan... not to 
mention the recent demo of Randy Mills - which is a new twist on the old 
theme.


Zografos has shown several systems in the old videos but he is basically 
comes off as a showman who is almost as disingenuous as AR in providing 
no data. In one system, it was discovered that he was consuming aluminum 
from electrodes in order to split water in a way that makes it look 
super efficient - if, that is ... you forget about the energy required 
to refine the aluminum.


Maybe PBS is new to this kind of scam - the legacy of Yull Brown and 
Meyer and man others others ... or maybe Zografos has found a new 
breakthrough which is real anomaly. His past work was no more than smoke 
and mirrors - but there is always hope for the big breakthrough in 
splitting water with resonance.


That hope for turning water into a fuel is the legacy of Jules Verne who 
created a meme which is by now ingrained in the free-energy aspirations 
of every new age. Beware of Greeks bearing gifts.