RE: [Vo]:On a Quixotic mission

2011-08-11 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
I accidentally hit the send button before I was complexly finished composing the original post. Let me follow up my take on sam. As far as I can tell Sam presents no actual evidence in his post as to why he thinks BLP Mills is a scam operation. What he does state, and this is quite

Re: [Vo]:On a Quixotic mission

2011-08-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: As far as I can tell Sam presents no actual evidence in his post as to why he thinks BLP Mills is a scam operation. What he does state, and this is quite revealing, is that he is upset over the fact that three of his own science articles posted out

Re: [Vo]:On a Quixotic mission

2011-08-11 Thread Daniel Rocha
I think with so much money invested and nothing delivered, no independent tests whatsoever, it is hard to think this is not a scam. They would easily have money to test all other theories of LENR and come with something useful.

Re: [Vo]:On a Quixotic mission

2011-08-11 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From Daniel I think with so much money invested and nothing delivered, no independent tests whatsoever, it is hard to think this is not a scam. I disagree. There is also some disagreement on the aspect of how one determines an independent test. BLP would say yes independent tests have been

Re: [Vo]:On a Quixotic mission

2011-08-11 Thread Daniel Rocha
Do you really think the scarcity of experimental results justifies the investment of 60mil$? It is easier to think that they just bribed a few other researchers just to fake results. This amount of money is enough to come with a proff of concept for any form of fusion, even tokamak.

Re: [Vo]:On a Quixotic mission

2011-08-11 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From Daniel Do you really think the scarcity of experimental results justifies the investment of 60mil$? It is easier to think that they just bribed a few other researchers just to fake results. This amount of money is enough to come with a proff of concept for any form of fusion, even

Re: [Vo]:On a Quixotic mission

2011-08-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Do you really think the scarcity of experimental results justifies the investment of 60mil$? You are not privy to the results, so you have no idea whether there is a scarcity or a plethora of results. You have not read the contract so you have no idea

Re: [Vo]:On a Quixotic mission

2011-08-11 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: All tokamaks produce some excess energy. As do skeptics. T

Re: [Vo]:On a Quixotic mission

2011-08-11 Thread Daniel Rocha
I talked about proof of concept, not a working device. Even FP fit in this description. But BLP didn't show anything that already worked. For example, look at this tokamak: http://www.toodlepip.com/tokamak/pictures/tm1.jpg And it was not even one of the first.

Re: [Vo]:On a Quixotic mission

2011-08-11 Thread Daniel Rocha
How can you justify 60mil? Even this: http://www.generalfusion.com/ Didn't require all those millions and it is a massive device.

Re: [Vo]:On a Quixotic mission

2011-08-11 Thread Axil Axil
In this new Mills patent, you can see where some of the investment capital went in the blacklight power venture: http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20110114075 It looks to me like Mills and associates must have gone through all possible hydride reactions with every possible transition

Re: [Vo]:On a Quixotic mission

2011-08-11 Thread Daniel Rocha
So, Mills is trying the same approach as farma companies do, massively parallel testing substances. But I don't think Rossi's catalyzer is about substance, but rather in how the lattice of the substance is arranged spatially.

Re: [Vo]:On a Quixotic mission

2011-08-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha wrote: So, Mills is trying the same approach as farma companies do, massively parallel testing substances. But I don't think Rossi's catalyzer is about substance, but rather in how the lattice of the substance is arranged spatially. These remarkable instruments described at

Re: [Vo]:On a Quixotic mission

2011-08-11 Thread Daniel Rocha
That's the Rossi's secret sauce! 2011/8/11 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com The SEM alone cannot do the whole job. Even if you know how the lattice is shaped and what elements and compounds it includes, you still may not know how to fabricate a similar arrangement. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:On a Quixotic mission

2011-08-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha wrote: That's the Rossi's secret sauce! The SEM alone cannot do the whole job. Even if you know how the lattice is shaped and what elements and compounds it includes, you still may not know how to fabricate a similar arrangement. Right! If he has a secret sauce (a

Re: [Vo]:On a Quixotic mission

2011-08-11 Thread Axil Axil
I am going from memory here, but Rossi said early on that the secret additive is absolutely required to get useful energy out of his core. Using the nickel powder alone does not produce heat. The Rossi process is the amalgamation of multiple mechanisms each of which when taken separately fail

RE: [Vo]:On a Quixotic mission

2011-08-11 Thread Jones Beene
From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson ... What tends to happen under these kinds of circumstances where someone appears to be on a self-righteous kamikaze mission to destroy the reputation of an individual and his company. Hmm... Funny thing this question came up as I had been reading the

[Vo]:On a Quixotic mission

2011-08-10 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
A recent Google newsfeed on Blacklight Power brought to my attention a link from someone with a handle of sam_michael who claims Dr. Mills and Blacklight Power is a scam operation of immense proportions. See: http://www.nowpublic.com/tech-biz/blacklight-power-most-incredible-scam

Re: [Vo]:On a Quixotic mission

2011-08-10 Thread Daniel Rocha
I guess Witch Doctor is right about BLP. ;)

Re: [Vo]:On a Quixotic mission

2011-08-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Is this the whole thing? Does Sam Michael present any evidence that Blacklight Power is a scam? As far as I can tell, Steven Johnson quoted the entire set of assertions: “Sam” claims: I take the risk of slander/libel here but must take a stand to protect investors and the general public about