Re: [Vo]:Passerini's Prediction

2011-08-04 Thread Jouni Valkonen
2011/8/4 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com: Now, if you assessed the probability at 70%, rationally you would bet 40 euros against a lesser amount from me. Suppose my bet is X euros. Forget the charity thing, it complicates it. It is impossible to assess probabilities for one time

Re: [Vo]:Passerini's Prediction

2011-08-04 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
2011/8/4 Abd ul-Rahman Lomaxa...@lomaxdesign.com: Now, if you assessed the probability at 70%, rationally you would bet 40 euros against a lesser amount from me. Suppose my bet is X euros. Forget the charity thing, it complicates it. It is impossible to assess probabilities for one time

Re: [Vo]:Passerini's Prediction

2011-08-04 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From Terry: I came to a conclusion of fraud, defined as wilful deception, after seeing a lot of evidence for it, which I was always explaining away, as did others. If I thought there could be the slightest possibility that Rossi and Defkalion were not committing fraud, I think I'd keep my

Re: [Vo]:Passerini's Prediction

2011-08-04 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:38 PM 8/3/2011, Terry Blanton wrote: On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: I came to a conclusion of fraud, defined as wilful deception, after seeing a lot of evidence for it, which I was always explaining away, as did others. If I thought

Re: [Vo]:Passerini's Prediction

2011-08-04 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:45 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: As far as retribution is concerned, perhaps getting even would entail nothing more satisfying than generating a well publicized list of all the meticulous things nay-sayers had proclaimed. Some of

Re: [Vo]:Passerini's Prediction

2011-08-03 Thread Jouni Valkonen
Accoriding Steven Krivit (#3 report and some earlier writing), Daniele was also present at 18 hour test (i have not seen other sources). Therefore he is within the greates fraud of cold fusion or tells truth that world is saved, because he knows with certainty whether E-Cat is for real or a hoax.

Re: [Vo]:Passerini's Prediction

2011-08-03 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 3:42 AM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: Accoriding Steven Krivit (#3 report and some earlier writing), Daniele was also present at 18 hour test (i have not seen other sources). Indeed he was; and, Daniele has more insider knowledge than Krivit since Daniele

Re: [Vo]:Passerini's Prediction

2011-08-03 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:42 AM 8/3/2011, Jouni Valkonen wrote: Accoriding Steven Krivit (#3 report and some earlier writing), Daniele was also present at 18 hour test (i have not seen other sources). Therefore he is within the greates fraud of cold fusion or tells truth that world is saved, because he knows

Re: [Vo]:Passerini's Prediction

2011-08-03 Thread Charles Hope
Consider how futile it should be to make a prediction six months out, as Rossi did regarding October, if reliability was still being addressed the entire time. That does not smell right. One can only predict confidently about well controlled processes. Why arbitrarily box oneself in like that?

Re: [Vo]:Passerini's Prediction

2011-08-03 Thread Daniel Rocha
I don't see any problem with 130KW, given it was just a spike in power with a base at 18KW, which is measured by the amount of steam poured. That means a 7 time increase in speed of the steam for some seconds. It probably blew as strong as a vacuum cleaner.

Re: [Vo]:Passerini's Prediction

2011-08-03 Thread Jouni Valkonen
2011/8/3 Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com: Consider how futile it should be to make a prediction six months out, as Rossi did regarding October, if reliability was still being addressed the entire time. That does not smell right. One can only predict confidently about well controlled

Re: [Vo]:Passerini's Prediction

2011-08-03 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Considering Jouni's recent challenge: ...I will challenge you for 40 euros that Rossi does not do a fraud. If E-Cat is true, you pay 40 euros to charity, and if not I pay 40 euros for charity. This strikes me as a civilized bet, one that could be formalized between two reasonable individuals

Re: [Vo]:Passerini's Prediction

2011-08-03 Thread Jouni Valkonen
2011/8/3 OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com: Considering Jouni's recent challenge: ...I will challenge you for 40 euros that Rossi does not do a fraud. If E-Cat is true, you pay 40 euros to charity, and if not I pay 40 euros for charity. Perhaps Charles and Hope should

Re: [Vo]:Passerini's Prediction

2011-08-03 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:58 AM 8/3/2011, Charles Hope wrote: At 11:58 AM 8/3/2011, you wrote: Consider how futile it should be to make a prediction six months out, as Rossi did regarding October, if reliability was still being addressed the entire time. That does not smell right. One can only predict confidently

Re: [Vo]:Passerini's Prediction

2011-08-03 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:00 PM 8/3/2011, Daniel Rocha wrote: I don't see any problem with 130KW, given it was just a spike in power with a base at 18KW, which is measured by the amount of steam poured. That means a 7 time increase in speed of the steam for some seconds. It probably blew as strong as a vacuum

Re: [Vo]:Passerini's Prediction

2011-08-03 Thread Daniel Rocha
Yeah, I saw that later and acknowledged that in the other thread about 18 hour test. Answer me there :)

Re: [Vo]:Passerini's Prediction

2011-08-03 Thread Daniel Rocha
I was thinking about a thick hose, anyway :)

Re: [Vo]:Passerini's Prediction

2011-08-03 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:34 PM 8/3/2011, Jouni Valkonen wrote: Abd ul-Rahman, you are free to express your opinion, but it is just speculation. There is absolutely nothing in your criticism that has any factual content. Question is how much money you are willing to bet for your opinion? I will challenge you for

Re: [Vo]:Passerini's Prediction

2011-08-03 Thread Jouni Valkonen
2011/8/4 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com: I've done a great deal of research on this topic. Problem is that mere research is not enough, because you need to be able to do your own conclusions from data and that includes reading other people's mind from between the lines. This is very

Re: [Vo]:Passerini's Prediction

2011-08-03 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:57 PM 8/3/2011, Jouni Valkonen wrote: 2011/8/4 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com: I've done a great deal of research on this topic. Problem is that mere research is not enough, because you need to be able to do your own conclusions from data and that includes reading other

Re: [Vo]:Passerini's Prediction

2011-08-03 Thread Axil Axil
“Ps. However, I will condemn Mills crack pot theory as false, because he is explaining cold fusion effect by dark matter. This is very feeble argument, because there is no such thing as dark matter or at least, we do not have any evidence that supports that hypothesis!

Re: [Vo]:Passerini's Prediction

2011-08-03 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: I came to a conclusion of fraud, defined as wilful deception, after seeing a lot of evidence for it, which I was always explaining away, as did others. If I thought there could be the slightest possibility that

[Vo]:Passerini's Prediction

2011-08-02 Thread Terry Blanton
You *know* it! From today's blog: In a few months I predict a peak in the world, not oil, but requests for psychotherapy by skeptics, deniers, scientist, following the collapse of their granite certainties. You rock, Daniele! T

Re: [Vo]:Passerini's Prediction

2011-08-02 Thread Terry Blanton
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Re: [Vo]:Passerini's Prediction

2011-08-02 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-08-02 14:55, Terry Blanton wrote: You *know* it! From today's blog: In a few months I predict a peak in the world, not oil, but requests for psychotherapy by skeptics, deniers, scientist, following the collapse of their granite certainties. You rock, Daniele! He must have read quite

Re: [Vo]:Passerini's Prediction

2011-08-02 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: He must have read quite revealing emails, as he says. Too bad we'll probably have to wait until the end of October to see for ourselves the conclusive pieces of evidence, but that's not too far away in time after