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2007-07-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms wrote: >Occasionally, with >the author's permission, Jed has attempted to make a paper more >understandable. Actually, I have done that fairly often for authors who speak English as a second language -- with their permission and cooperation, of course! I have worked with authors

Re: [Vo]:Requesting comments to this comment

2007-07-22 Thread Dr. Mitchell Swartz
At 08:04 AM 7/22/2007 -0600, Edmund Storms wrote: Storms: "Since Swartz has once again brought up his obsession about censorship at LENR ..." Projection and ad hominem. The ONLY obsession with censorship has been, and remains, from Ed Storms, himself. Rothwell even admitted that Storms ha

Re: [Vo]:Requesting comments to this comment

2007-07-22 Thread Edmund Storms
Since Swartz has once again brought up his obsession about censorship at LENR, this gives me an opportunity to clarify the criteria used to put papers on the LENR website. For the sake of this discussion, the website has two parts: a listing of over 3000 papers having some relevance to cold fus

Re: [Vo]:Requesting comments to this comment

2007-07-22 Thread Dr. Mitchell Swartz
At 11:55 PM 7/21/2007 -0400, Jed Rothwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dr. Mitchell Swartz wrote: >1) For example, even tonight, I observed that the papers of Dr. Ken Shoulders >still are censored. Rothwell: "Shoulders has never submitted a paper to me. As far as I know he has never written on

Re: [Vo]:Requesting comments to this comment

2007-07-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Dr. Mitchell Swartz wrote: >1) For example, even tonight, I observed that the papers of Dr. Ken Shoulders >still are censored. Shoulders has never submitted a paper to me. As far as I know he has never written one about cold fusion. I do not think he or anyone else believes that his "clusters"

Re: [Vo]:Requesting comments to this comment

2007-07-21 Thread Dr. Mitchell Swartz
Swartz has repeatedly accursed me of censoring his work. This is simply not true. In fact, several weeks ago, Mitchell called me and during this conversation I assured him that if he sent me his papers in a useable format, I would see that they were placed on the website. In addition, Jed a

Re: [Vo]:Requesting comments to this comment

2007-07-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Dr. Mitchell Swartz wrote: >As to the rest of his crap and continual put downs, I will not respond >except to say >that when Rothwell was given the papers in pdf form of images (so that he could >not misedit them), he and Storms elected (to this day) to censor them. In that case, Mitch, why don'

Re: [Vo]:Requesting comments to this comment

2007-07-21 Thread Edmund Storms
Dr. Mitchell Swartz wrote: At 02:26 PM 7/20/2007 -0400, disingenous Jed Rothwell wrote: Swartz I do not understand, except for his comments about flow calorimetry, which are wrong. Continuum electromechanics and engineering may be foreign to Jed Rothwell, but they are not wrong. Our p

Re: [Vo]:Requesting comments to this comment

2007-07-21 Thread Dr. Mitchell Swartz
At 02:26 PM 7/20/2007 -0400, disingenous Jed Rothwell wrote: Swartz I do not understand, except for his comments about flow calorimetry, which are wrong. Continuum electromechanics and engineering may be foreign to Jed Rothwell, but they are not wrong. Our papers demonstrated that Rothwell

Re: [Vo]:Requesting comments to this comment

2007-07-21 Thread Jones Beene
f the resulting searchable image pdfs to be excellent. (*)this would save Jed a lot of time so he could upload many more papers, for the benefit of all. Michel - Original Message - From: "Jed Rothwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 8:26 PM Subj

Re: [Vo]:Requesting comments to this comment

2007-07-21 Thread Michel Jullian
lity of the resulting searchable image pdfs to be excellent. (*)this would save Jed a lot of time so he could upload many more papers, for the benefit of all. Michel - Original Message - From: "Jed Rothwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 8:26

Re: [Vo]:Requesting comments to this comment

2007-07-20 Thread Horace Heffner
A better worded response follows. On Jul 19, 2007, at 10:53 AM, Steven Krivit wrote: Someone (who wishes to be anon) wrote the following to me recently. I'm interested in the thoughts and comments in response to it from Vortexians: -Steve The ERAB council "proved" that cold fusion isn't

Re: [Vo]:Requesting comments to this comment

2007-07-20 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jul 20, 2007, at 10:00 AM, Steven Krivit wrote: Thank you Horace s You are very welcome. There is no such proof in the paper. There is no understanding to be gained of the branching ratios shown by Figure 3.1 in the report Jed provided: I just realized the above sounds like a cr

Re: [Vo]:Requesting comments to this comment

2007-07-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: Here are the facts: I speculated that first-off the reprocessing was "highly unlikely", and second gave no estimate of what it costs them; but in point of fact, it would be closer to $50 than to one million per kg . . . Not according to the people at Ontario Hydro. I do

Re: [Vo]:Requesting comments to this comment

2007-07-20 Thread Steven Krivit
Thank you Horace s There is no such proof in the paper. There is no understanding to be gained of the branching ratios shown by Figure 3.1 in the report Jed provided:

Re: [Vo]:Requesting comments to this comment

2007-07-20 Thread Jones Beene
Jed Rothwell wrote: Jones Beene wrote: I can say this with absolute conviction: This appears to be the same absolute conviction you feel with regard to the notion that Chinese people will spend a million dollars cleaning up a kilogram of used moderator heavy water instead of spending $300

Re: [Vo]:Requesting comments to this comment

2007-07-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: I can say this with absolute conviction: This appears to be the same absolute conviction you feel with regard to the notion that Chinese people will spend a million dollars cleaning up a kilogram of used moderator heavy water instead of spending $300 to refine a new kilo

Re: [Vo]:Requesting comments to this comment

2007-07-20 Thread Jones Beene
I can say this with absolute conviction: There is NO single mechanism for CF, or any other form of LENR !! Ockham be damned! There are various known reactions, and possibly a few unknown, which could be going on, depending on very small and seemingly insignificant details, and depending on

Re: [Vo]:Requesting comments to this comment

2007-07-20 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jul 19, 2007, at 10:53 AM, Steven Krivit wrote: Someone (who wishes to be anon) wrote the following to me recently. I'm interested in the thoughts and comments in response to it from Vortexians: -Steve The ERAB council "proved" that cold fusion isn't DD fusion. [snip] There is no su

Re: [Vo]:Requesting comments to this comment

2007-07-20 Thread Horace Heffner
An old wired article: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/6.11/coldfusion_pr.html has some interesting comments with regard to Claytor's work, which apparently also included ordinary electrolysis. "I had a number of theorists backing me, because they were familiar with the limitations of ho

Re: [Vo]:Requesting comments to this comment

2007-07-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
Steven Krivit quoted an anonymous source: The ERAB council "proved" that cold fusion isn't DD fusion. I should know better than to comment on theory, but as far as I know, cold fusion is DD fusion. It produces helium at the ratio to heat as plasma DD fusion does, so what else could it be?

[Vo]:Requesting comments to this comment

2007-07-19 Thread Steven Krivit
Someone (who wishes to be anon) wrote the following to me recently. I'm interested in the thoughts and comments in response to it from Vortexians: -Steve The ERAB council "proved" that cold fusion isn't DD fusion. The point is, "So what?", there are a zillion nuclear reaction paths that are