Re: [Vo]:Rossi Steam Quality Updates

2011-08-23 Thread Horace Heffner
On Aug 22, 2011, at 4:16 PM, Alan J Fletcher wrote: I've been having some off-vortex action with this. Latest version is at http://lenr.qumbu.com/rossi_ecat_steam_v410E.php My attention was drawn to an excellent Rossi eCat simulator by a Rick Cantwell

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Steam Quality Updates

2011-08-23 Thread Horace Heffner
I just now wrote: Since 800 W is used for each of the 3 runs, the steam generation, and water condensation in the hose, should be exactly the same. It is not. Therefore it is reasonable that liquid water is being injected into the hose when flowing water is used in the second two run

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Steam Quality Updates

2011-08-23 Thread Horace Heffner
I just now wrote: It is notable that 4 muffin fans were shown in the E-cat. This should have said: It is notable that 4 muffin fans were shown in the E-cat controller. Sigh. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Steam Quality Updates

2011-08-23 Thread Horace Heffner
On Aug 22, 2011, at 5:53 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Regarding the video, Rick does good work. - Jed Yes, indeed! However, it appears he forgot to wear his lab coat! 8^) Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Steam Quality Updates

2011-08-23 Thread Horace Heffner
Some consolidated and clarified text follows. It appears a significant deficiency of Rick Cantwells experiment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXTl8z_2Uqo is similar to a major deficiency of Rossi's demonstrations; namely, it is not possible to tell what is happening in the hose, especially

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Steam Quality Updates

2011-08-23 Thread Joe Catania
: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 3:05 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi Steam Quality Updates On Aug 22, 2011, at 4:16 PM, Alan J Fletcher wrote: I've been having some off-vortex action with this. Latest version is at http://lenr.qumbu.com/rossi_ecat_steam_v410E.php My attention was drawn to an excellent Rossi

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Steam Quality Updates

2011-08-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: - Percolator effect happens quickly (Lots of water at the outlet -- at 3:30 he empties the hose, and it refills in about 7 seconds.) This is operating as a TUBE Boiler. Do you mean it is overflowing? Water mixed with steam is pouring over of the

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Steam Quality Updates

2011-08-23 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 05:43 AM 8/23/2011, Horace Heffner wrote: Some consolidated and clarified text follows. ... I'm heading out for a couple of days, so I don't have time to check your method or numbers (assuming a 94 °C boiling point) of: Isn't that a bit low? You still need to take into account the fact that

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Steam Quality Updates

2011-08-23 Thread Joe Catania
will be able to entrain most of the liquid and carry it out of the E-Cat. This takes very little energy. - Original Message - From: Alan J Fletcher To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi Steam Quality Updates At 05:43 AM 8/23/2011

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Steam Quality Updates

2011-08-23 Thread Horace Heffner
On Aug 23, 2011, at 5:35 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: Percolator effect happens quickly (Lots of water at the outlet -- at 3:30 he empties the hose, and it refills in about 7 seconds.) This is operating as a TUBE Boiler. Do you mean it is overflowing? Water

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Steam Quality Updates

2011-08-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: This does not happen with the eCat, as shown in the videos made by Lewan. How is it shown by Lewan's videos that water does not overflow from the E-Cat? In some of the videos he showed the hose removed from the bucket for a few minutes with

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Steam Quality Updates

2011-08-23 Thread Joe Catania
]:Rossi Steam Quality Updates On Aug 23, 2011, at 5:35 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: a.. Percolator effect happens quickly (Lots of water at the outlet -- at 3:30 he empties the hose, and it refills in about 7 seconds.) This is operating

[Vo]:Rossi Steam Quality Updates

2011-08-22 Thread Alan J Fletcher
I've been having some off-vortex action with this. Latest version is at http://lenr.qumbu.com/rossi_ecat_steam_v410E.php My attention was drawn to an excellent Rossi eCat simulator by a Rick Cantwell http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXTl8z_2Uqo (It's main deficiency is that he's measuring

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Steam Quality Updates

2011-08-22 Thread Joe Catania
: Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 8:16 PM Subject: [Vo]:Rossi Steam Quality Updates I've been having some off-vortex action with this. Latest version is at http://lenr.qumbu.com/rossi_ecat_steam_v410E.php My attention was drawn to an excellent

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Steam Quality Updates

2011-08-22 Thread Joe Catania
: Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 8:16 PM Subject: [Vo]:Rossi Steam Quality Updates I've been having some off-vortex action with this. Latest version is at http://lenr.qumbu.com/rossi_ecat_steam_v410E.php My attention was drawn to an excellent

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Steam Quality Updates

2011-08-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: My attention was drawn to an excellent Rossi eCat simulator by a Rick Cantwell http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=yXTl8z_2Uqohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXTl8z_2Uqo (It's main deficiency is that he's measuring temperatures on the surface of the tubes,

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Steam Quality Updates

2011-08-22 Thread Jouni Valkonen
2011/8/23 Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com: It CONFIRMS my dryout point hypothesis. It really does not confirm your hypothesis.^^ But it does indeed confirm my hypothesis that water inflow rate was 1-3 kg/h and total heating power was around 810 W, i.e. only electric heater active, and steam

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Steam Quality Updates

2011-08-22 Thread Alan Fletcher
From 410E : (Sorry for the pre-post reply format)He runs it in three modes: A) 800W input, with NO input water flow. Significant Visible SteamLittle water collected in the tube (no percolation) This is operating as a KETTLE Boiler, and produces Gas only (Water vapour

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Steam Quality Updates

2011-08-22 Thread Jouni Valkonen
Alan, you should explain more. I fail completely see your point, how does it confirm your hypothesis? Or at least you cannot make any calculations from your idea of dryout, therefore it seems to be rather irrelevant concept. You also are misusing physical concepts. E-Cat produces always high