Re: [Vo]:Roswell Debris Confirmed
Terry Blanton wrote: http://ufocon.blogspot.com/2009/05/roswell-debris-confirmed-as.html ROSWELL DEBRIS CONFIRMED AS EXTRATERRESTRIAL: Lab Located, Scientists Named by Anthony Bragalia Newly discovered documents reveal that in the months immediately following the purported 1947 UFO crash at Roswell, secret government studies began on a material that was previously unknown to science. The memory metal that was studied precisely matches some of the debris material reported by several witnesses to the crash. Evidence shows that -under military direction- these unique metal studies were undertaken by a contracted laboratory that possessed advanced technical capabilities that the U.S. government itself did not have at the time. A former high-level scientist employed by the involved laboratory has offered a confession that he was tasked to study the crashed UFO material. Information provided by two U.S. Air Force Generals also offers direct support for this discovery. I would *love* it if this were true, but... more When was nitinol invented? Wiki says 1962 (for discovery of its memory ability), which helps with believing that Roswell brought something unique along. But Wiki also says this: The discovery of the shape-memory effect dates to 1932 when Swedish researcher Arne Olader first observed the property in gold-cadmium alloys. The material, if deformed while cool, returns to its undeformed shape when warmed. Other shape-memory alloys (SMA) have since been discovered. Some of these alloys include CuSn, InTi, TiNi, and MnCu. TiNi alloys and copper-based alloys are the most commonly used This suggests pretty strongly that the concept of memory metal was already floating around in the collective consciousness by the time the Roswell crash took place. This would seem to cast a certain amount of doubt on the assertion that a particular memory metal was unknown to science before the Roswell crash, at least without a lot more information to back up the claim. Nitinol may have been the first practical memory metal, but it seems clear it was not the first; as Wiki also says: There are hundreds of alloys that exhibit the shape memory effect (known as shape memory alloys; SMAs), but only two alloy systems, TiNi and CuZnAl, have found many practical applications. Other alloys are considered too expensive or they exert insufficient force. Terry
Re: [Vo]:Roswell Debris Confirmed
From Stephen Lawrence: I would *love* it if this were true, but... When was nitinol invented? Wiki says 1962 (for discovery of its memory ability), which helps with believing that Roswell brought something unique along. But Wiki also says this: The discovery of the shape-memory effect dates to 1932 when Swedish researcher Arne Olader first observed the property in gold-cadmium alloys. The material, if deformed while cool, returns to its undeformed shape when warmed. Other shape-memory alloys (SMA) have since been discovered. Some of these alloys include CuSn, InTi, TiNi, and MnCu. TiNi alloys and copper-based alloys are the most commonly used This suggests pretty strongly that the concept of memory metal was already floating around in the collective consciousness by the time the Roswell crash took place. This would seem to cast a certain amount of doubt on the assertion that a particular memory metal was unknown to science before the Roswell crash, at least without a lot more information to back up the claim. Nitinol may have been the first practical memory metal, but it seems clear it was not the first; as Wiki also says: There are hundreds of alloys that exhibit the shape memory effect (known as shape memory alloys; SMAs), but only two alloy systems, TiNi and CuZnAl, have found many practical applications. Other alloys are considered too expensive or they exert insufficient force. Stephen makes a valid argument. I suspect similar arguments could also be made about other alleged Roswell artifacts, such as IC devices and filament lighting. See Philip J. Corso's book, The Day after Roswell. http://books.google.com/books?id=XCHQPeAcXcACdq=Philip+J+Corsoprintsec=frontcoversource=anhl=enei=knklSufyJKiElAebktDgBwsa=Xoi=book_resultct=resultresnum=4#PPA18,M1 http://tinyurl.com/pzx2r4 Which, BTW, I have a signed copy of! ;-) I have the first edition, the one containing the hastily deleted introduction from the late senator, James Strom Thurmon, who recommended that what Corso has to say in his book should be very interesting reading. Strom's recommendation was, of course, vehemently denied after its publication hastily removed in successive printings.(So much for sticking up for one's old war buddies.) But I digress. What I believe most Roswell Crash proponents are likely to counter is that individuals like Frankie Rowe claimed to have held in their hand some kind of a mysterious material far in advance of anything we have yet to manufacture, back in 1947 as well as today. Frankie claimed that she could not feel the material in her hand when she wadded it up into a tight little ball. When she released the material it returned to its original un-creased shape within one or two seconds. And then there was the strong arm tactics from military police to keep quiet about what she had witnessed. Why such a fuss? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Roswell Debris Confirmed
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 10:49 PM, grok g...@resist.ca wrote: Personally, I think Demi is a hybrid. Her given name is a hint that she is half alien. Did you know she appeared nude on the cover of Vanity Fair twice: once while preggers and the second with temporary ink? Oh, and BTW, you can't use the word collective in Vortex. That is for VortexB only. :-Þ Terry She may have been born there, but she never grew up there. So -- what would she know. The question here would be: how long did her _[step]parents_ live there? And if they're from there: who are their relations who lived/live there..? Perhaps it's a moore -- moot point now how many facts the collective citizenry of Roswell NM would know/have known -- in spite of government intimidation. Or moore. More! ;P - -- grok. - -- Build the North America-wide General Strike. TODO el poder a los consejos y las comunas. TOUT le pouvoir aux conseils et communes. ALL power to the councils and communes. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkofTToACgkQXo3EtEYbt3F+uwCfZ7xldZEFDtRsQ2o912HYV1Ry 1KcAni8WHyEmN73Lh6IV+Hv0QaOxGJ+R =cLhY -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Vo]:Roswell Debris Confirmed
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 5:50 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 10:49 PM, grok g...@resist.ca wrote: Oh, and BTW, you can't use the word collective in Vortex. That is for VortexB only. We are the Vortex. Resistance is Futile. You will be educated.
Re: [Vo]:Roswell Debris Confirmed
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, leaking pen itsat...@gmail.com mounted the barricade and roared out: Oh, and BTW, you can't use the word collective in Vortex. That is for VortexB only. We are the Vortex. Resistance is Futile. You will be educated. Assimilate THIS. Where do I go for my implants, already..? - -- grok. a.k.a. 1 of a-kind. - -- Build the North America-wide General Strike. TODO el poder a los consejos y las comunas. TOUT le pouvoir aux conseils et communes. ALL power to the councils and communes. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkogb8AACgkQXo3EtEYbt3FFJgCgj1PDDyjuH7QHWeEH5ESc6cgR OuwAoOqNDiw0JrZaev6d5OenCKN+r1Ms =4ekf -END PGP SIGNATURE-
[Vo]:Roswell Debris Confirmed
http://ufocon.blogspot.com/2009/05/roswell-debris-confirmed-as.html ROSWELL DEBRIS CONFIRMED AS EXTRATERRESTRIAL: Lab Located, Scientists Named by Anthony Bragalia Newly discovered documents reveal that in the months immediately following the purported 1947 UFO crash at Roswell, secret government studies began on a material that was previously unknown to science. The memory metal that was studied precisely matches some of the debris material reported by several witnesses to the crash. Evidence shows that -under military direction- these unique metal studies were undertaken by a contracted laboratory that possessed advanced technical capabilities that the U.S. government itself did not have at the time. A former high-level scientist employed by the involved laboratory has offered a confession that he was tasked to study the crashed UFO material. Information provided by two U.S. Air Force Generals also offers direct support for this discovery. more When was nitinol invented? Terry
Re: [Vo]:Roswell Debris Confirmed
Terry sez: ROSWELL DEBRIS CONFIRMED AS EXTRATERRESTRIAL: Lab Located, Scientists Named by Anthony Bragalia Newly discovered documents reveal that in the months immediately following the purported 1947 UFO crash at Roswell, secret government studies began on a material that was previously unknown to science. The memory metal that was studied precisely matches some of the debris material reported by several witnesses to the crash. Evidence shows that -under military direction- these unique metal studies were undertaken by a contracted laboratory that possessed advanced technical capabilities that the U.S. government itself did not have at the time. A former high-level scientist employed by the involved laboratory has offered a confession that he was tasked to study the crashed UFO material. Information provided by two U.S. Air Force Generals also offers direct support for this discovery. more When was nitinol invented? Terry FWIW, Two weekends ago I attended an informal potluck held in the Milwaukee area. I had a chance to listen to Frankie Rowe talk about her experience of handling the mysterious memory material. She spoke over a speaker phone. See: http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2007/03/frankie-rowe-and-roswell-crash.html http://books.google.com/books?id=kG_OCwbeYXsCpg=PA86lpg=PA86dq=frankie+rowe+ufosource=blots=_YYFVPe71rsig=cQBQpdnY22Ocz6MF-Fgw3G5mXDUhl=enei=BggfSvDrCOGVlAfkktyDBgsa=Xoi=book_resultct=resultresnum=1 http://tinyurl.com/leorvv Ms Rowe is well known for her account of having had an ever-so brief chance of handling in the palm of her hand a mysterious material that she said she could wad up into a minuscule little ball and not feel anything. This occurred during the time events of the Roswell Crash. Frankie was around 14 years old when she handled the material. She recalled that it was pewter colored. When Frankie released the crumbled material it quickly returned to its original flattened state (no creases) within 1 - 2 seconds. They couldn't cut it or burn the material. Of equal importance were the threats Frankie and her family received afterward from military police warning her never to divulge to anyone what she had seen and experienced - talk and they would be picking her bones out in the desert. The threats affected her emotionally for decades. As Roswell crash proponents love to point out: Why make such a fuss over a weather and/or mogul balloon. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Roswell Debris Confirmed
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Loox like a conspiracy to me... - -- grok. MEMORY-METAL FILES ARE MISSING: http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20090521/BLOG32/905219954?Title=Memory-metal-files-are-missing - -- Build the North America-wide General Strike. TODO el poder a los consejos y las comunas. TOUT le pouvoir aux conseils et communes. ALL power to the councils and communes. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkofJfgACgkQXo3EtEYbt3GnYACeMmQdsGs4yQSc4u65wCmdqkB0 V5cAnjH3oCM0RrU56qJBNs9MaJqbaBXY =P8/+ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Vo]:Roswell Debris Confirmed
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 It hadn't registered with me B4 that Mitchell is *from* Roswell NM. - -- grok. ROSWELL UFO CRASH IS TRUE CLAIMS FORMER ASTRONAUT: http://www.ufodigest.com/news/0509/roswell-true.php - -- Build the North America-wide General Strike. TODO el poder a los consejos y las comunas. TOUT le pouvoir aux conseils et communes. ALL power to the councils and communes. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkofJ4wACgkQXo3EtEYbt3GfhwCg0P60t9x6ZFdoyg7sI45B128v PJEAn2wxoIlMhTkCHmNmt/oEU0boA+jM =/mGX -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Vo]:Roswell Debris Confirmed
How 'bout Demi? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demi_Moore Terry On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 7:08 PM, grok g...@resist.ca wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 It hadn't registered with me B4 that Mitchell is *from* Roswell NM. - -- grok. ROSWELL UFO CRASH IS TRUE CLAIMS FORMER ASTRONAUT: http://www.ufodigest.com/news/0509/roswell-true.php - -- Build the North America-wide General Strike. TODO el poder a los consejos y las comunas. TOUT le pouvoir aux conseils et communes. ALL power to the councils and communes. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkofJ4wACgkQXo3EtEYbt3GfhwCg0P60t9x6ZFdoyg7sI45B128v PJEAn2wxoIlMhTkCHmNmt/oEU0boA+jM =/mGX -END PGP SIGNATURE-
