Re: [Vo]:Running-on .... trioxide ?

2008-05-02 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 10:23 PM, R C Macaulay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I kept my old
 physics freshman textbook in my library at the Dime Box saloon to remind me
 times have changed.

That wouldn't happen to be Haliday and Resnick (sp)?

Terry



Re: [Vo]:Running-on .... trioxide ?

2008-05-02 Thread R C Macaulay

Howdy Terry,
Physics, a textbook for colleges .. Stewart...Ginn and company
In todays world, probably suitable for 2nd graders that don't have 
computers.

Richard
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On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 10:23 PM, R C Macaulay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I kept my old
physics freshman textbook in my library at the Dime Box saloon to remind 
me

times have changed.


That wouldn't happen to be Haliday and Resnick (sp)?

Terry



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[Vo]:Running-on .... trioxide ?

2008-05-01 Thread Jones Beene
Unlike Jackson Browne, I am not yet running on empty
but at $4 per it may not be long... 

Anyway ... glad I am not being charged a keyboard tax
as the following longish post may sound like a
run-on of some past postings about water-based
fuels; but it does contain one new additional and
important factoid (or fantasy)... making it newsworthy
for some far-sighted observers.

It has been mentioned before by several others
(meaning that it is not total fantasy) that even if
one must generally subscribe to, and obey the Law
i.e. the LoT  it is still possible that a motive
force capable of propelling an automobile, is
possible from ZPE. 

In this case the ZPE is manifested through 'premature'
*phase change* ... and not just any phase-change. 

It must be a phase-change from liquid to a pressurized
gas BUT it must be nearly entropic (i.e. isothermal)
phase-change, in which there is no (only slight) heat
being released. IOW there is lots of violent pressure,
but little heat. This part is real science.

Here is a prior posting on entropic explosion

http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg15958.html

Here is a prior posting on light without heat:

http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg16063.html



The following is a refinement of the idea that a rapid
phase-change from liquid to gas, without corresponding
heat release could be accomplished on the fly and
with dramatic consequences ...

IOW that it is possible (in theory) that a liquid
which is made on the fly or in situ from stored
components (one of which IS a compressed gas so the
result is not the full effect) ... can be expanded,
and specifically expanded through a turbine (exactly
like compressed air) ... and thereby provide motive
force without corresponding heat (and could even
provide secondary cooling, exactly like compressed
air)... but with about a 4:1 advantage in terms of net
efficiency of the total system (over compressed air).

...i.e., unlike compressing air alone (which is lossy)
this system does NOT require the same net energy input
due to 
a.) liquid water being half the equation, 
b.) super-oxidation supplying some heat 
c.) ZPE enhanced phase-change. 

All liquids until they reach phase-change into gas,
contain this hidden amount of vapor pressure, which
is a form of free-energy when isothermal. Trioxide may
be the best manifestation of this free-energy. When
phase change is expedited isothermally, there WILL BE
a ZPE (Casimir-like) input.

This suggested system will NOT work with peroxide,
which can only be made slowly and carefully, due to
lack of stoichometric ratio balancing - so there is
only one other candidate in all of nature; at least
only one which is potentially cheap: trioxide
(dihydrogen trioxide)

So-called super-oxidation has been considered a
possible gateway towards increased efficiency in
combustion, such as in automotive engines -- and also
for water purification.

Ozone, chlorine and peroxide are dangerous oxidants
like dihydrogen trioxide H2O3, but expensive. Few
things in life are cheaper than mixing oxygen and
water in equal parts...

Trioxide has been called by some biologists a new
oxidant (as in new to me) ... but it is actually as
old as life itself, and is probably found in the
metabolism of all single celled lifeforms. But until
the last decade few biologists appreciated the
magnitude of its role. That is because it has a short
lifetime: short as in subsecond but not ultrashort
as in nanosecond. 

But on the plus side, trioxide can be, and is
routinely manufactured by living cells in
microseconds from only air and water, and with minimum
energy input.

http://www.spiritus-temporis.com/hydrogen-trioxide/

Now... in the spirit of biomimicry - if one could just
get the two molecules: O2 and H2O to 'stick together'
for about 10-50 milliseconds after they are formed, in
say- the fuel injector of a diesel engine, then
dihydrogen trioxide could become a potential fuel
since it violently flashes from liquid to cold steam
on decomposition, similar to peroxide. 

Although there is lots of phase-change into what looks
like steam, there is also lots of entrained water mist
(not true vapor), and the entrained water mist itself
is chilled so that the net heat gain in the exhaust
is negligible, even though there is a strong motive
force, even a violent explosion which can be deadly.

Peroxide is dangerous. I can vouch for that from
personal experience, having lost a decent old pickup
truck due to an explosion that should not have
happened. If you get over about 35% enrichment the
peroxide is called HTP and is unpredictably explosive,
but still without corresponding heat given off. 

However, if peroxide -- or any such entropic-explosive
could be made 'on the fly' and cheaply, and never
stored in bulk, then it would be ideal - but HOOH
cannot be made this way, IMHO. 

However, H2O3 is still a viable candidate for this
concept - if -  a strong magnetic field is available.
This would need to be about 4 

Re: [Vo]:Running-on .... trioxide ?

2008-05-01 Thread R C Macaulay


Howdy Jones,

One must be prepared both physically and mentally to engage a Jones 
moment. Thanks for the trioxide links.
Interesting I received an e-mail directing me to a link on a mystery 
series of explosions.


http://wjz.com:80/local/baltimore.county.mystery.2.710503.html

I must consider that college science students have far greater access to new 
research and technology than I, way back in the stone age. I kept my old 
physics freshman textbook in my library at the Dime Box saloon to remind me 
times have changed.


Richard