RE: [Vo]:Selective memories IH selected and agreed to the team to test the E-Cat

[a.ashfield]

Jones,
Why do you go after Rossi and his supporters with such fanaticism? It 
looks like you have some psychological problem.


Jones wrote.  "Why do you punish yourself like this, Adrian? Rossi lied 
and called Penon a PhD and you and the other sheep then started calling 
him Dr. Penon ... LOL. He is a glorified mechanic. You seem to be a 
smart enough individual to make inferences based on other fields than 
the one you are trained in, but there are realities here that you 
absolutely refuse to consider. You can't really be that hard-headed, can 
you? All of the crime statistic show that the recidivism rate for white 
collar property crimes is extraordinarily high - above 75%. For a 4 time 
loser like Rossi, it is almost a certainty that he has not reformed. 
This is the thing he does best - the financial scam. He is the master of 
the energy version of this scam. But the difference here is that he is 
also a decent inventor and this makes him believe he can pull off the 
perfect scam, sooner or later. Yet - here again we have similar 
circumstances and you are blind to the fact that he has resorted to the 
thing he does best. There is a slight twist since he has found a niche 
where there is a proved anomaly that no one understands yet. That is why 
he is being called a "value added scammer" but make no mistake, he is a 
professional energy swindler of the highest order."

Re: [Vo]:Selective memories IH selected and agreed to the team to test the E-Cat

[Eric Walker]

> On Apr 10, 2016, at 10:33, Jones Beene  wrote:
> The drama is intense, and IH may be partly to blame for not being proactice.
> 
Yes, indeed. Some of the characters are larger than life. This turn of events 
is as interesting as a courtroom drama.

I'm still trying to understand Rossi's calculus. IH can hire the best law firms 
in the world to defend them, and can, if they wish, allow the case to take as 
long as is needed.  Rossi has hired someone who has only four years of 
practice.  I do not see how Rossi could calculate that he will come out ahead 
if all of this is simply extortion following upon fraud. I get that he appears 
to allow emotion to dictate some decisions, but this scenario is difficult to 
fathom.

Eric

RE: [Vo]:Selective memories IH selected and agreed to the team to test the E-Cat

[Jones Beene]

Why do you punish yourself like this, Adrian? Rossi lied and called Penon a PhD 
and you and the other sheep then started calling him Dr. Penon ... LOL. He is a 
glorified mechanic.

You seem to be a smart enough individual to make inferences based on other 
fields than the one you are trained in, but there are realities here that you 
absolutely refuse to consider. You can't really be that hard-headed, can you? 
All of the crime statistic show that the recidivism rate for white collar 
property crimes is extraordinarily high - above 75%. For a 4 time loser like 
Rossi, it is almost a certainty that he has not reformed. This is the thing he 
does best - the financial scam.

He is the master of the energy version of this scam. But the difference here is 
that he is also a decent inventor and this makes him believe he can pull off 
the perfect scam, sooner or later. Yet - here again we have similar 
circumstances and you are blind to the fact that he has resorted to the thing 
he does best. There is a slight twist since he has found a niche where there is 
a proved anomaly that no one understands yet. That is why he is being called a 
"value added scammer" but make no mistake, he is a professional energy swindler 
of the highest order.


-Original Message-
From: a.ashfield 

Jones.  "In fact, all of the pictures from JM show a pristine box that simply 
cannot have been an active boiler – it is too clean. Have you ever seen a 
working boiler?"

AA.  It looks like you lack good industrial experience if you have never seen a 
clean boiler.  Not to mention the LENR does not involve combustion.  It does 
make me wonder - what experience have you ever had?

Jones.  "Please note, I am not accusing anyone of a crime or even a civil tort, 
since the evidence does not support that yet"

AA.  But you have repeatedly done just that.  You say Rossi is a swindler and a 
fraud.  Also licensed engineer Fabio Penon was "no more 
than a glorified mechanic."   Later saying you didn't does not negate that.

Just why you would want to copyright your piece of fiction is a mystery.  
Potential customers like ShutRossiDown seem to closed their doors.

RE: [Vo]:Selective memories IH selected and agreed to the team to test the E-Cat

[a.ashfield]

Jones.  "In fact, all of the pictures from JM show a pristine box that 
simply cannot have been an active boiler – it is too clean. Have you 
ever seen a working boiler?"


AA.  It looks like you lack good industrial experience if you have never 
seen a clean boiler.  Not to mention the LENR does not involve 
combustion.  It does make me wonder - what experience have you ever had?


Jones.  "Please note, I am not accusing anyone of a crime or even a 
civil tort, since the evidence does not support that yet"


AA.  But you have repeatedly done just that.  You say Rossi is a 
swindler and a fraud.  Also licensed engineer Fabio Penon was "no more 
than a glorified mechanic."   Later saying you didn't does not negate that.


Just why you would want to copyright your piece of fiction is a 
mystery.  Potential customers like ShutRossiDown seem to closed their 
doors.

RE: [Vo]:Selective memories IH selected and agreed to the team to test the E-Cat

[Jones Beene]

From: Craig Haynie 

>>>First, there is no proof that IH agreed to any ERV… 

> I find this to be an odd thing to believe. The license agreement requires
that both Rossi and IH agree to an ERV, and that the ERV will evaluate the
device according to  criteria which are laid out. If IH never agreed to the
ERV, then why wait an entire year to mention it -- and where did they
mention this? 
Rossi alleges they agreed, but for all we know IH can fully document that
they hired their own ERV and Rossi would not let him into the test facility.
You cannot use an allegation in Rossi’s complaint as fact. Wait till you see
IH’s answer.

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Re: [Vo]:Selective memories IH selected and agreed to the team to test the E-Cat

[Craig Haynie]

>>>First, there isnoproofthatIHagreedtoanyERV…


I find this to be an odd thing to believe. The license agreement 
requires that both Rossi and IH agree to an ERV, and that the ERV will 
evaluate the device according to  criteria which are laid out. If IH 
never agreed to the ERV, then why wait an entire year to mention it -- 
and where did they mention this? Everything I've read indicates that 
they agreed to the test, agreed to the ERV, and decided afterwards, by 
some other means, that it couldn't be shown to work.


Craig

RE: [Vo]:Selective memories IH selected and agreed to the team to test the E-Cat

[Jones Beene]

From: Blaze Spinnaker 

Wow a lot of sound and fury.  Let's all wait for the ERV report or court 
filings from Darden & Co.

Blaze, there will not likely be an ERV report, due to the Lawsuit. First, let 
me say to Walker that there are no selective memories here– only selective 
extracts of Rossi’s unsubstantiated claim, being presented as fact. 

Yes - IH accepted the 2012 Test on face value, before they had their own 
experts assembled - paid a large sum up front to become a player, and hired 
Rossi’s old friends and countrymen to continue the work in Miami. That much is 
not in dispute. It is admirable that they took such a risk since that 2012 
device probably never worked.

The following comments are copyrighted and not for any use outside this forum. 
They are offered as a counterpoint to the blindly supportive comments of 
Rossi’s fan club. There are two sides to most Lawsuits, and IH’s side needs to 
be presented more fairly. They are the good guys here, but that is by default 
as Rossi is a life-long con artist who will be exposed if this goes to trial.

First, there is no proof that IH agreed to any ERV… or that the testing would 
remain exclusively under Rossi’s control. In fact IH seems to have implied that 
they hired experts from Carolina and Rossi would not let them in the facility! 
It is my belief that IH cannot be sure that the blue box device ever ran at 
all, much less produced excess energy. We will have to wait for IH’s legal 
filings to see how deep Rossi’s con-game goes.

The bottom line is that the so-called “customer” was actually the President of 
Leonardo, a plaintiff. And, not only did IH never see any excess heat from any 
device of Rossi – they cannot be sure that it ever ran at all. To the cynic, 
these dynamics could end up looking more like some kind of civil extortion 
attempt than a breach of contract. In fact, all of the pictures from JM show a 
pristine box that simply cannot have been an active boiler – it is too clean. 
Have you ever seen a working boiler? 

Plus, there was no way to use steam in that facility, even if the boiler made 
steam. The steam, if there ever was any, had to be ported to an outside drain 
and was never used for anything of a commercial nature - which implies that the 
“customer” and his so-called business usage of steam is a complete sham.

The so-called ERV report cannot be released for this very reason. First of all, 
it would be an admission that Penon and Fabiani – who are not licensed in the 
USA to do this kind of work, ran an illegal steam boiler in Miami for a year. 
Steam boilers are highly regulated. The civil fine could be several thousand 
dollars per day. The two of them would be immediately deported and probably 
lose their engineering license in Italy, if complaints were filed there. 

IH now has leverage over Johnson, the President of IH, who could lose his legal 
license over permitting an illegal boiler to be run without a permit - if not 
being accused of being a party to a civil extortion attempt, that is: if there 
is proof of that, or if the DA should be able to get an indictment. That’s 
right, this is shaping up to look like more than a contract dispute. 

Look for attorney Johnson to bail very soon, since this is very serious 
business for him, as the President of Leonardo, also a plaintiff and the 
“customer,” and housing the testing space – and therefore a full party to any 
fraud, and there is always a hint of fraud in such conflicting roles. He should 
bail immediately. If the Miami DA thinks Johnson has abetted another of Rossi’s 
scams, then both he and AR are in deep - for more than they bargained for. (I 
am not alleging that either did anything criminal – the DA will decide that).

This explains another reason for the very existence of the Lawsuit. Rossi has 
all this faked data – supposedly 18 volumes and he cannot release it because it 
will screw his friends Penon , Fabiani and Johnson, the President of Leonardo – 
who now, if the DA smells civil extortion, can charge them under RICO. The 
stakes are much higher than you may have imagined because there is so much 
money involved - $100,000,000 plus damages. That is quite a swindle.

Please note, I am not accusing anyone of a crime or even a civil tort, since 
the evidence does not support that yet, and we have not even seen IH’s answer 
to the complaint. The drama is intense, and IH may be partly to blame for not 
being proactice. But a number of recent cases like Fuhrman v. California 
Satellite Systems (1986) have held that a civil action for extortion does in 
fact exist in similar commercial circumstances, but … like most torts this 
requires a showing of damages. 

Rossi definitely has damaged several reputations here – there is no doubt about 
that. Rossi continues to this day to bad mouth IH, Darden, Vaughn etc. They 
came into this with good reputations, Rossi did not. The plaintiffs and their 
Lawyer, made a huge mistake in starting this episode 

Re: [Vo]:Selective memories IH selected and agreed to the team to test the E-Cat

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Wow a lot of sound and fury.  Let's all wait for the ERV report or court
filings from Darden & Co.

On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 2:46 AM, Ian Walker  wrote:

> Hi all
>
> Some people seem to suffer from a selective memory glitch.
>
> HIGH TEMPERATURE E-CAT MODULE Test of July 16th, 2012 for E-Cat
> Certification
> Was with a three man test team of:
> :Fabio Penon , M.Eng. (Nuclear Engineer, Product Certification Specialist)
> E-Cat Electronic Control System Specialist
> :Fulvio Fabiani, M.Eng.
> Radiation Protection Report:
> David Bianchini, M.Sc (Physicist, Radiation Measurements Specialist).
>
> The test was at the behest of IH and paid for by them to their
> specification, using people they selected and agreed too to the tune of $10
> million.
>
> Rossi merely continued to use the Nuclear Engineer, Product Certification
> Specialist that IH were satisfied with, at any time in the last few years
> IH could have chosen another engineer, they did not; therefore they were
> happy with him to do the job.
>
> Kind Regards walker
>

[Vo]:Selective memories IH selected and agreed to the team to test the E-Cat

[Ian Walker]

Hi all

Some people seem to suffer from a selective memory glitch.

HIGH TEMPERATURE E-CAT MODULE Test of July 16th, 2012 for E-Cat
Certification
Was with a three man test team of:
:Fabio Penon , M.Eng. (Nuclear Engineer, Product Certification Specialist)
E-Cat Electronic Control System Specialist
:Fulvio Fabiani, M.Eng.
Radiation Protection Report:
David Bianchini, M.Sc (Physicist, Radiation Measurements Specialist).

The test was at the behest of IH and paid for by them to their
specification, using people they selected and agreed too to the tune of $10
million.

Rossi merely continued to use the Nuclear Engineer, Product Certification
Specialist that IH were satisfied with, at any time in the last few years
IH could have chosen another engineer, they did not; therefore they were
happy with him to do the job.

Kind Regards walker