Re: [Vo]:There is no dark matter. Instead, information has mass, physicist says

[Jones Beene]

Jürg Wyttenbach wrote:  
> The Dirac formalism is a global view on a distributed system that is a 
> contradiction in itself and thus SM is a failure by design already. 



More on the failure of the standard model
Mysterious particles spewing from Antarctica defy physics

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seems to be a common theme these days...

   

RE: [Vo]:There is no dark matter. Instead, information has mass, physicist says

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Light, once created by a reduction in potential energy and released from a real 
system comprised of a balance of kinetic and potential energy before the 
release, may not again interact with another system of PE equal to KE and pass 
to new space without a previous event and hence with  no time.  (The light is 
lost forever in new space  since space if ever expanding at a clip faster than 
the light  enters the new space.)

When this happens the universe has an increase of entropy, consistent with the 
2nd Law.

The newly formed space. however, has information. since its  parameters are 
established as the new space forms and govern the progression of light in the 
new space.  If mass and information are the same, the new space has mass.  
The parameters are permittivity and permeability.







From: H LV 
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 10:10:14 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:There is no dark matter. Instead, information has mass, 
physicist says

There are other proposed arrows of time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_of_time

harry

On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 12:08 PM ChemE Stewart 
mailto:cheme...@gmail.com>> wrote:
This place is mostly of entropy, radiation and hot air...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_(information_theory)


On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 11:51 AM H LV 
mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com>> wrote:
quote << Vopson says, "He [Landauer] first identified the link between 
thermodynamics and information by postulating that logical irreversibility of a 
computational process implies physical irreversibility." This indicates that 
information is physical, Vopson says, and demonstrates the link between 
information theory and thermodynamics>>

Classical mechanics since its inception contained no arrow of time. This set 
the stage for perennial crisis of time in physics which has never been 
resolved. IMO, it is not enough to question the foundations of quantum 
mechanics and relativity. We have to reboot physics from the 16 century onward.

harry

On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 11:03 PM Terry Blanton 
mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com>> wrote:

bigthink.com<http://bigthink.com>:
https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/dark-matter-theory
From: H LV<mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:There is no dark matter. Instead, information has mass, 
physicist says

There are other proposed arrows of time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_of_time

harry

On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 12:08 PM ChemE Stewart 
mailto:cheme...@gmail.com>> wrote:
This place is mostly of entropy, radiation and hot air...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_(information_theory)


On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 11:51 AM H LV 
mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com>> wrote:
quote << Vopson says, "He [Landauer] first identified the link between 
thermodynamics and information by postulating that logical irreversibility of a 
computational process implies physical irreversibility." This indicates that 
information is physical, Vopson says, and demonstrates the link between 
information theory and thermodynamics>>

Classical mechanics since its inception contained no arrow of time. This set 
the stage for perennial crisis of time in physics which has never been 
resolved. IMO, it is not enough to question the foundations of quantum 
mechanics and relativity. We have to reboot physics from the 16 century onward.

harry

On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 11:03 PM Terry Blanton 
mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com>> wrote:

bigthink.com<http://bigthink.com>:
https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/dark-matter-theory

Re: [Vo]:There is no dark matter. Instead, information has mass, physicist says

[Jürg Wyttenbach]

Computational theory, tightly linked to information theory, long time 
ago did prove that there is no way to have a global time (-arrow) if you 
deal with distributed systems. Any physics dealing with two separate 
particles that do exchange information = share varying magnetic flux or 
potential is a distributed system.
Time can only be represented by a DAG (directed acyclic graph) or in 
prose by partial ordered events.


The Dirac formalism is a global view on a distributed system what is a 
contradiction in itself and thus SM is a failure by design already. The 
general education of physicists has strongly declined (e.g. missing 
basic recognition theory/information theory/basic mathematical calculus 
theory -numerics fundament)  and (self-) cheating is the dominating 
motivation behind many famous papers like the 20'000 Feynman diagram 
electron g-factor project that simply is fraud.


According Shannon: Information = measurable Energy; The better you can 
measure the more information you get but the inverse conclusion is 
wrong!! You cannot reproduce the exact energy of a system from 
information due to the finite quantization error due to imperfect hardware.


J.W.

Am 24.01.20 um 17:51 schrieb H LV:
quote << Vopson says, "He [Landauer] first identified the link between 
thermodynamics and information by postulating that logical 
irreversibility of a computational process implies physical 
irreversibility." This indicates that information is physical, Vopson 
says, and demonstrates the link between information theory and 
thermodynamics>>


Classical mechanics since its inception contained no arrow of time. 
This set the stage for perennial crisis of time in physics which has 
never been resolved. IMO, it is not enough to question the foundations 
of quantum mechanics and relativity. We have to reboot physics from 
the 16 century onward.


harry

On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 11:03 PM Terry Blanton > wrote:



bigthink.com :
https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/dark-matter-theory



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Re: [Vo]:There is no dark matter. Instead, information has mass, physicist says

[H LV]

I also reserve the right to change my opinions and my beliefs as I learn
new things and grow. ;-p.

Harry

On Fri., Jan. 24, 2020, 1:10 p.m. H LV,  wrote:

> There are other proposed arrows of time.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_of_time
>
> harry
>
> On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 12:08 PM ChemE Stewart  wrote:
>
>> This place is mostly of entropy, radiation and hot air...
>>
>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_(information_theory)
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 11:51 AM H LV  wrote:
>>
>>> quote << Vopson says, "He [Landauer] first identified the link between
>>> thermodynamics and information by postulating that logical irreversibility
>>> of a computational process implies physical irreversibility." This
>>> indicates that information is physical, Vopson says, and demonstrates the
>>> link between information theory and thermodynamics>>
>>>
>>> Classical mechanics since its inception contained no arrow of time. This
>>> set the stage for perennial crisis of time in physics which has never been
>>> resolved. IMO, it is not enough to question the foundations of quantum
>>> mechanics and relativity. We have to reboot physics from the 16 century
>>> onward.
>>>
>>> harry
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 11:03 PM Terry Blanton 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 bigthink.com:
 https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/dark-matter-theory

>>>

Re: [Vo]:There is no dark matter. Instead, information has mass, physicist says

[H LV]

There are other proposed arrows of time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_of_time

harry

On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 12:08 PM ChemE Stewart  wrote:

> This place is mostly of entropy, radiation and hot air...
>
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_(information_theory)
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 11:51 AM H LV  wrote:
>
>> quote << Vopson says, "He [Landauer] first identified the link between
>> thermodynamics and information by postulating that logical irreversibility
>> of a computational process implies physical irreversibility." This
>> indicates that information is physical, Vopson says, and demonstrates the
>> link between information theory and thermodynamics>>
>>
>> Classical mechanics since its inception contained no arrow of time. This
>> set the stage for perennial crisis of time in physics which has never been
>> resolved. IMO, it is not enough to question the foundations of quantum
>> mechanics and relativity. We have to reboot physics from the 16 century
>> onward.
>>
>> harry
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 11:03 PM Terry Blanton 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> bigthink.com:
>>> https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/dark-matter-theory
>>>
>>

Re: [Vo]:There is no dark matter. Instead, information has mass, physicist says

[H LV]

history of the balloon -15 minutes
https://youtu.be/jjqdgbFGFiE

On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 12:08 PM ChemE Stewart  wrote:

> This place is mostly of entropy, radiation and hot air...
>
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_(information_theory)
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 11:51 AM H LV  wrote:
>
>> quote << Vopson says, "He [Landauer] first identified the link between
>> thermodynamics and information by postulating that logical irreversibility
>> of a computational process implies physical irreversibility." This
>> indicates that information is physical, Vopson says, and demonstrates the
>> link between information theory and thermodynamics>>
>>
>> Classical mechanics since its inception contained no arrow of time. This
>> set the stage for perennial crisis of time in physics which has never been
>> resolved. IMO, it is not enough to question the foundations of quantum
>> mechanics and relativity. We have to reboot physics from the 16 century
>> onward.
>>
>> harry
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 11:03 PM Terry Blanton 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> bigthink.com:
>>> https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/dark-matter-theory
>>>
>>

Re: [Vo]:There is no dark matter. Instead, information has mass, physicist says

[ChemE Stewart]

This place is mostly of entropy, radiation and hot air...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_(information_theory)


On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 11:51 AM H LV  wrote:

> quote << Vopson says, "He [Landauer] first identified the link between
> thermodynamics and information by postulating that logical irreversibility
> of a computational process implies physical irreversibility." This
> indicates that information is physical, Vopson says, and demonstrates the
> link between information theory and thermodynamics>>
>
> Classical mechanics since its inception contained no arrow of time. This
> set the stage for perennial crisis of time in physics which has never been
> resolved. IMO, it is not enough to question the foundations of quantum
> mechanics and relativity. We have to reboot physics from the 16 century
> onward.
>
> harry
>
> On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 11:03 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:
>
>>
>> bigthink.com:
>> https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/dark-matter-theory
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:There is no dark matter. Instead, information has mass, physicist says

[H LV]

quote << Vopson says, "He [Landauer] first identified the link between
thermodynamics and information by postulating that logical irreversibility
of a computational process implies physical irreversibility." This
indicates that information is physical, Vopson says, and demonstrates the
link between information theory and thermodynamics>>

Classical mechanics since its inception contained no arrow of time. This
set the stage for perennial crisis of time in physics which has never been
resolved. IMO, it is not enough to question the foundations of quantum
mechanics and relativity. We have to reboot physics from the 16 century
onward.

harry

On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 11:03 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:

>
> bigthink.com:
> https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/dark-matter-theory
>

RE: [Vo]:There is no dark matter. Instead, information has mass, physicist says

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Jones—

Its “Tit for Tat” or “Quid Pro Quo” as some would have it.  

Maybe even the “Word” is all that is.  Words are not real—kinda-like 
information with a sole stemming from the speaker’s mind.

Any natural law of the universes is non-real and is equal to “the truth”—“the 
Word”.  This information is an abstraction, and within  the batch of 
abstractions labeled theologies-- this one about natural laws is called 
pantheism.  Einstein was said to harbor pantheistic ideas.

The idea first seemed to be recorded as information by the Greeks and may have 
influenced Jesus’s non-materialistic ideas as well.

Regarding mass—Jurg’s SO(4) physics explains that mass is associated with the 
rotation of magnetic flux—close to the idea of a rotating magnetic field on a 
toroidal surface with a femtometer order of size in familiar 3-d space.

Bob Cook

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From: JonesBeene<mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 6:32 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: RE: [Vo]:There is no dark matter. Instead, information has mass, 
physicist says

From: Terry Blanton<mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com>

bigthink.com<http://bigthink.com>:
https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/dark-matter-theory

This is a very provocative idea – that information has actual mass…guess that 
is why it is featured on a site called “the big think”…

The concept also relates to LENR in a back door way – since Holmlid suggests 
that matter can be  completely annihilated or turned into energy. Is this the 
modern version of “book burning”??

The author of the piece, Philip Perry did not claim exactly  that dark matter 
or the black hole is a repository of information, but that is the implication. 
OTOH another article by Philip suggests that Jesus (yes, that Jesus) used 
Cannabis for some of his miracle cures. This kind of lateral thinking made me 
want to immediately sign up to get the blog until I noticed how many trackers 
it had already tried to install.

Anyway, there is a pregnant thought from Wheeler is particularly resonant:

“There was perhaps no greater proponent of information theory than another 
unsung paragon of science, John Archibald 
Wheeler<https://futurism.com/john-wheelers-participatory-universe>. Wheeler was 
part of the Manhattan Project, worked out the "S-Matrix" with Niels Bohr and 
helped Einstein develop a unified theory of physics. In his later years, he 
proclaimed, "Everything is information." Then he went about exploring 
connections between quantum mechanics and information theory….He also coined 
the phrase "it from bit" or that every particle in the universe emanates from 
the information locked inside it. At the Santa Fe Institute in 1989, Wheeler 
announced that everything, from particles to forces to the fabric of spacetime 
itself "… derives its function, its meaning, its very existence entirely … from 
the apparatus-elicited answers to yes-or-no questions, binary choices, 
bits<https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/why-information-cant-be-the-basis-of-reality/>."
 END quote.

Too bad the website itself  has not been designed to honor privacy concerns or 
to  function well on Firefox browser. Makes one wonder if MS/Google did not 
insert the background trackers as a tit for tat … which is kind of ironic, 
given the subject matter.

Re: [Vo]:There is no dark matter. Instead, information has mass, physicist says

[Terry Blanton]

Have you tried the Brave web browser?  Functionally similar to Chrome, even
syncs with it, but blocks everything except content.  See

brave.com

I like the theory.  Makes one wonder how many bits fit into the E=MC^2
equivalence formula.  Personally, I use it to explain my weight gain.  

On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 9:32 AM JonesBeene  wrote:

> *From: *Terry Blanton 
>
>
>
> bigthink.com:
> https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/dark-matter-theory
>
>
>
> This is a very provocative idea – that information has actual mass…guess
> that is why it is featured on a site called “the big think”…
>
>
>
> The concept also relates to LENR in a back door way – since Holmlid
> suggests that matter can be  completely annihilated or turned into energy.
> Is this the modern version of “book burning”??
>
>
>
> The author of the piece, Philip Perry did not claim exactly  that dark
> matter or the black hole is a repository of information, but that is the
> implication. OTOH another article by Philip suggests that Jesus (yes, that
> Jesus) used Cannabis for some of his miracle cures. This kind of lateral
> thinking made me want to immediately sign up to get the blog until I
> noticed how many trackers it had already tried to install.
>
>
>
> Anyway, there is a pregnant thought from Wheeler is particularly resonant:
>
> “There was perhaps no greater proponent of information theory than another
> unsung paragon of science, John Archibald Wheeler
> . Wheeler was
> part of the Manhattan Project, worked out the "S-Matrix" with Niels Bohr
> and helped Einstein develop a unified theory of physics. In his later
> years, he proclaimed, "Everything is information." Then he went about
> exploring connections between quantum mechanics and information theory….He
> also coined the phrase "it from bit" or that every particle in the universe
> emanates from the information locked inside it. At the Santa Fe Institute
> in 1989, Wheeler announced that everything, from particles to forces to the
> fabric of spacetime itself "… derives its function, its meaning, its very
> existence entirely … from the apparatus-elicited answers to yes-or-no
> questions, binary choices, bits
> ."
> END quote.
>
> Too bad the website itself  has not been designed to honor privacy
> concerns or to  function well on Firefox browser. Makes one wonder if
> MS/Google did not insert the background trackers as a tit for tat … which
> is kind of ironic, given the subject matter.
>
>
>
>
>

RE: [Vo]:There is no dark matter. Instead, information has mass, physicist says

[JonesBeene]

From: Terry Blanton

bigthink.com:
https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/dark-matter-theory 

This is a very provocative idea – that information has actual mass…guess that 
is why it is featured on a site called “the big think”…

The concept also relates to LENR in a back door way – since Holmlid suggests 
that matter can be  completely annihilated or turned into energy. Is this the 
modern version of “book burning”??

The author of the piece, Philip Perry did not claim exactly  that dark matter 
or the black hole is a repository of information, but that is the implication. 
OTOH another article by Philip suggests that Jesus (yes, that Jesus) used 
Cannabis for some of his miracle cures. This kind of lateral thinking made me 
want to immediately sign up to get the blog until I noticed how many trackers 
it had already tried to install.

Anyway, there is a pregnant thought from Wheeler is particularly resonant:
“There was perhaps no greater proponent of information theory than another 
unsung paragon of science, John Archibald Wheeler. Wheeler was part of the 
Manhattan Project, worked out the "S-Matrix" with Niels Bohr and helped 
Einstein develop a unified theory of physics. In his later years, he 
proclaimed, "Everything is information." Then he went about exploring 
connections between quantum mechanics and information theory….He also coined 
the phrase "it from bit" or that every particle in the universe emanates from 
the information locked inside it. At the Santa Fe Institute in 1989, Wheeler 
announced that everything, from particles to forces to the fabric of spacetime 
itself "… derives its function, its meaning, its very existence entirely … from 
the apparatus-elicited answers to yes-or-no questions, binary choices, bits." 
END quote.
Too bad the website itself  has not been designed to honor privacy concerns or 
to  function well on Firefox browser. Makes one wonder if MS/Google did not 
insert the background trackers as a tit for tat … which is kind of ironic, 
given the subject matter.

[Vo]:There is no dark matter. Instead, information has mass, physicist says

[Terry Blanton]

bigthink.com:
https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/dark-matter-theory