At 1:14 AM 3/2/5, Keith Nagel wrote:
Hey Horace,
You write:
NOTE THAT THE DECIMAL POINT IN THE 19.6 CAL IS HARD TO READ IN THE SCAN.
Oh come on, it's very clear and if the type face is confusing look
a few lines above for the same notation ( specific gravity 5.3 ).
Well, that depends on the
This thorough treatment (1919) of Antimony by Chung Yu Wang in Europe, nails
down the heat of phase change at "20 to 21 calories" (if I interpret it correctly).
This is in conflict with G. Gore's 1858 data where someone must have slipped
up on his "19.6 Calorie" figure. This apparent error is
At 6:48 AM 3/2/5, Frederick Sparber wrote:
This thorough treatment (1919) of Antimony by Chung Yu Wang in Europe, nails
down the heat of phase change at 20 to 21 calories (if I interpret it
correctly).
This is in conflict with G. Gore's 1858 data where someone must have slipped
up on his 19.6
Jones Beene wrote:
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; vortex-l@eskimo.com
Date: 3/2/05 10:26:54 AM
Subject: Re: Explosive Antimony on Platinum, Cold Fusion in 1855?
Keith et al.
It look like from reading the morning mail that Fred may
have found better refs with the correct value, which
( using
At 8:43 PM 2/28/5, Keith Nagel wrote:
Horace writes:
Why not use a Pd (or maybe Ni) anode along with the antimony dissolved in
HCL to do the codeposition? This *might* avoid the otherwise inevitable
explosion and permit operation continuous enough to do calorimtry.
I'd rather use Pd and Sb salts
At 3:41 AM 2/28/5, Frederick Sparber wrote:
The heat of combustion of H2 + 1/2 O2 is 54,000 calories per mole (18
grams) , or 3.000 calories per gram
The 19,600 calories per gram released by Explosive Antimony is over 6.5
times this.
How does this compare to chemical explosives?
Horace writes:
You don't think a carbon anode will contaminate the cathode with carbon?
How? By pieces breaking off and codepositing with the metal?
Possible, I've codeposited insulators and conductors this way
with some difficulty ( you saturate the electrolyte with the
powdered material and
At 10:14 AM 2/28/5, Edmund Storms wrote:
Horace, I would like to inject a little chemistry here, because if the
energy claimed is real, the claims are amazing.
First, when SbCl3 reacts with water, it forms SbO+, H+ and Cl-. Upon
electrolysis, the SbO+ deposits on the cathode where it is reduced
At 6:04 PM 3/1/5, Robin van Spaandonk wrote:
In reply to Frederick Sparber's message of Mon, 28 Feb 2005
03:41:44 -0600:
Hi,
[snip]
Way below the 82 Kilojoule per gram of Explosive Antimony that Gore
reported in
1855.
[snip]
This would actually make a lot more sense, if someone made a
mistake
At 1:25 PM 3/1/5, Keith Nagel wrote:
Horace writes:
You don't think a carbon anode will contaminate the cathode with carbon?
How? By pieces breaking off and codepositing with the metal?
Possible, I've codeposited insulators and conductors this way
with some difficulty ( you saturate the
: Explosive Antimony on Platinum, Cold Fusion in 1855?
Frank Grimer wrote
At 01:21 pm 27-02-05 -0600, Sparber wrote:
Is it possible that the Platinum-Antimony, Platinum-Hydride interface
set up conditions for Cold Fusion, that released 82 Kilojoule per
gram of Explosive Antimony in Gore's
Date: 2/28/05 8:29:06 AM
Subject: Re: Explosive Antimony on Platinum, Cold Fusion in 1855?
At 04:04 am 28-02-05 -0600, Sparber wrote:
BTW. Don't discount the Deuterium (as HDO D2O) in the water and
as DCL in the HCL.
Even though it wasn't discovered yet. :-)
Frederick
At 3:41 AM 2/28/5, Frederick Sparber wrote:
The explosion is attended by the allotropic transformation of then
metastable or alpha-form of
antimony into the stable beta-form or the rhombohedral variety, at the
same time the temperature rises to
about 250 degrees C, and 19,600 calories of heat are
- Original Message -
From: Edmund Storms
If the claimed energy is actually 19600 cal/g, this is
equal to
19600*121.76 = 2.38 x 10^6 cal/mole, which is too much to
be real.
Real chemical energy you mean, without an Sb nuclear
reaction ?
It could not be a real chemical reaction
I would be surprised if G. Gore's "Platinum" cathode used in 1858 was
Palladium-free. Not to mention other impurities.
http://www.webelements.com/webelements/elements/text/Pd/hist.html
http://www.webelements.com/webelements/elements/text/Pd/hist.html
Frederick
At 2:04 PM 2/28/5, Keith Nagel wrote:
I've never done this experiment, but it's certainly not
something required the DOE, Navy, and 100K to do... If
someone sends me an antimony anode I'd be happy to do
the basic experiment ( sadly, I have only the oxide form
in stock, although if you think I can
Horace writes:
Why not use a Pd (or maybe Ni) anode along with the antimony dissolved in
HCL to do the codeposition? This *might* avoid the otherwise inevitable
explosion and permit operation continuous enough to do calorimtry.
I'd rather use Pd and Sb salts and a carbon electrode; it's hard
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 28 Feb 2005 09:39:55
-0800:
Hi,
[snip]
- Original Message -
From: Edmund Storms
If the claimed energy is actually 19600 cal/g, this is
equal to
19600*121.76 = 2.38 x 10^6 cal/mole, which is too much to
be real.
It is about 103 eV / atom of
At 6:04 PM 3/1/5, Robin van Spaandonk wrote:
In reply to Frederick Sparber's message of Mon, 28 Feb 2005
03:41:44 -0600:
Hi,
[snip]
Way below the 82 Kilojoule per gram of Explosive Antimony that Gore
reported in
1855.
[snip]
This would actually make a lot more sense, if someone made a
mistake
At 01:21 pm 27-02-05 -0600, Sparber wrote:
Is it possible that the Platinum-Antimony, Platinum-Hydride interface
set up conditions for Cold Fusion, that released 82 Kilojoule per
gram of Explosive Antimony in Gore's 1855 experiments?
That's quite a thought, Fred.
History has often
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