Re: Incredible battery and TOE

2005-03-01 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Mike Carrell's message of Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:58:25 -0500: Hi, [snip] Robin wrote: In reply to Mike Carrell's message of Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:28:11 -0500: Hi, [snip] factor in LENR. That may be so, but it is not useful. Mills has reported seeing emission lines he associates with

Re: Incredible battery and TOE

2005-02-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In 1917, to promote wartime production, the government stepped in and forced all patent holders to accept a standard fee, so that any manufacturer could get free access to the technology. I imagine something similar would happen with the Mills device. ...and how

Re: Incredible battery and TOE

2005-02-24 Thread Jones Beene
- Original Message - From: Robin van Spaandonk Jones, you are no slouch yourself. Why not give Mills a hand, and do your own hydrino reactor design, and send it to him, no strings attached? I would be happy to do this, if he would provide some detail about the rate of hydrino

Re: Incredible battery and TOE

2005-02-24 Thread Jones Beene
Mike, The last time I talked to Mills, several years ago, he said he was about a factor of 4 away from a closed loop. ...and a 1000 fold improvement from fusion would put him over the top by a factor of 250. How? We seem to be talking past each other here. The alternative to a Mills'

Re: Incredible battery and TOE

2005-02-23 Thread thomas malloy
thomas malloy wrote: All Randall would have to do is demonstrate a working model of any of the above, and I'll hold my piece. Peace! I do not even what to think about what holding your piece might mean. - Jed Holding a gun, er I mean a weapon, I would expect. Thanks for the correction.

Re: Incredible battery and TOE

2005-02-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mike Carrell wrote: Jed is terminally pessimistic about Mills' business prospects, since Mills is not following Jed's favorite buisness model, but neither is anyone in the CF community. And no one in the CF community is getting anywhere either! I rest my case. Seriously, I think it is too early

Re: Incredible battery and TOE

2005-02-23 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Mike Carrell's message of Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:28:11 -0500: Hi, [snip] factor in LENR. That may be so, but it is not useful. Mills has reported seeing emission lines he associates with p = 7 hydrinos, and maybe p =16, but I suspect the population is small. Mills has enough problems

Re: Incredible battery and TOE

2005-02-23 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:34:20 -0500: Hi, [snip] Robin van Spaandonk wrote: Not at all, and that isn't what I said. This technology is conservatively worth trillions. JB suggested that it be taken by the government, and Mills be paid what it's worth. I am

Re: Incredible battery and TOE

2005-02-22 Thread Mike Carrell
Jones wrote: Mike, Mills' is reluctant to have any association with CF, LENR, CANR and nuclear phenomena. Does that sound rational to you? Does that sound like the well-considered logic of a person committed to solving our looming ecological crisis? I gave reasons from his earliest days.

Re: Incredible battery and TOE

2005-02-22 Thread thomas malloy
Jones Beene posted One of the most frustrating things about the internet, especially to any alternative energy advocate who seeks to find, weed-out and support, in every reasonable way, Having seen one after another scam artist come and go over the past 1/3 century, I know what you mean Jones.

Re: Incredible battery and TOE

2005-02-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
thomas malloy wrote: All Randall would have to do is demonstrate a working model of any of the above, and I'll hold my piece. Peace! I do not even what to think about what holding your piece might mean. - Jed

Re: Incredible battery and TOE

2005-02-22 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Mike Carrell's message of Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:36:21 -0500: Hi, [snip] Robin wrote: In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:58:28 -0800: [snip] Personally, I doubt this will ever happen. The primary reason being that you don't get 70 V until n=1/16, by which time

Incredible battery and TOE

2005-02-21 Thread Jones Beene
One of the most frustrating things about the internet, especiallyto any alternative energy advocate who seeks to find, weed-outand support, in every reasonable way, or even try to replicate ... the *best reasonable* solutions available which address the looming fossil-fuel-reliance

Re: Incredible battery and TOE

2005-02-21 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:58:28 -0800: Hi, [snip] here, mixed in with lots of potential BS. Caveat Lector. But remember, if you do not adequately separate the wheat from the chafe... well, you get the extra fiber, so that is not all bad, and helps keep you

Re: Incredible battery and TOE

2005-02-21 Thread Mike Carrell
Robin wrote: In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:58:28 -0800: Hi, [snip] here, mixed in with lots of potential BS. Caveat Lector. But remember, if you do not adequately separate the wheat from the chafe... well, you get the extra fiber, so that is not all bad, and helps

Re: Incredible battery and TOE

2005-02-21 Thread Mike Carrell
I just finished with Robin and I find some of the same ideas here form Jones. (Deep breath) here we go again: snip Instead the really frustrating information is the tantalizing stuff which appears from brilliant, well funded, probably genius-level researchers like Mills/BLP who will publish

Re: Incredible battery and TOE

2005-02-21 Thread Jones Beene
Mike, Mills' is reluctant to have any association with CF, LENR, CANR and nuclear phenomena. Does that sound rational to you? Does that sound like the well-considered logic of a person committed to solving our looming ecological crisis? The cynic might say that it sounds more like an egoist