Re: [Vo]:Ampenergo's email is disabled
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:26 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Thank you Susan for triggering a major point about the so-called skeptics, now obviously fitting the definition of ‘trolls’, that have been spewing their BS for that last several days… Trolls? Really? For suggesting Rossi's operations have many hallmarks of the run of the mill investor scams like Steorn is? I don't think so. If you guys and gals are s concerned about helping prevent people who might invest in this scam, don’t you think your time would have been better spent trying to get in contact with Ampenergo to alert them to the big mistake that they have made?? Why you’re at it, why don’t you contact Rossi’s licensee that is in the UK??? Yeah, warn them too! That way, you could save untold numbers of brainless dupes who might be contacted by these other licensees!!! You’d be heros!!! But NO, you’d rather waste your time spewing ridicule and accusations about business/personality issues on a technical/scientific discussion forum…. Now that makes a whole sh*tload of sense, doesn’t it. I don't know and can't say what Ampenergo is. If I had to guess, it's a shill for Rossi and it's a shill that has collected money from THEIR investors. In that case, they are possibly scammers, not scammees. But I admit there is no evidence for that. It's just curious that they gave Rossi money at a time in which he was vociferously claiming he not taken any money from any investors. It's also curious they share offices with other Rossi related concerns, IIRC. There's so much of this stuff, it's hard to keep it all straight. As to preventing investor fraud, it's probably too late for most of it. And we wouldn't have a clue who to contact. I can tell you for sure that if someone asked on a forum whether to invest in Rossi, I'd give him or her an ear full but then maybe even you would.
Re: [Vo]:Ampenergo's email is disabled
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:32 PM, Shaun Taylor shauntaylor...@gmail.comwrote: Mark why are you so defensive of Rossi? Do you have skin in this game? I bet he's like Jed. He so badly wants Rossi and Defkalion to be real, he gets his feelings hurt when anyone suggests they may in fact be lying criminals,.
RE: [Vo]:Ampenergo's email is disabled
Mary, Certain people are not 'suggesting', Mary, they are STATING it as FACT. That is what I object to; do you even know the difference??? You have made similar speculative statements before about me and I have thoroughly shown how the FACTS show differently, and yet you repeat your speculations about me. Every time I presented the facts to show that I have contributed to both the PROs and CONs of various issues, something a *rational* skeptic would do, as opposed to someone like yourself who uses repetition and then ignores when her speculations are shown to be false via facts, and repeats those false speculations several more times. I invite others to go ahead and use the web-interface to this forum and do a search on my postings and see for yourselves. -Mark From: Mary Yugo [mailto:maryyu...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 12:41 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ampenergo's email is disabled On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:32 PM, Shaun Taylor shauntaylor...@gmail.com wrote: Mark why are you so defensive of Rossi? Do you have skin in this game? I bet he's like Jed. He so badly wants Rossi and Defkalion to be real, he gets his feelings hurt when anyone suggests they may in fact be lying criminals,.
RE: [Vo]:Ampenergo's email is disabled
Shaun, I suggest you take a month to read ALL the postings since last January, and you'll realize how asinine your statement is -- you are completely ignorant of just how much rational debate has gone on about Rossi and the demos. This forum had noticed, and discussed and debated ad naseum, pretty much ALL the issues that Mary keeps repeating, including Rossi's past, DGT, problems with the demos, etc, etc, etc. I was the one who first brought up a concern over the placement of the heat exchanger's output side thermocouple! You've got to have a really warped way of thinking if you think that's being defensive of Rossi! Oh, wait, you've just come here without having read the last year of postings so how could you know that I bring up Pro and Con??? NO, of course you couldn't know because you are so woefully ignorant of that has transpired on this forum the past year!!! People even did some modeling, no not the bikini-type modeling, and even FEM to try to extract as much as they could out of what data we did have... you do know what FEM is don't you??? The fact that I bring up BOTH things that might support what Rossi is claiming, AND things which do not, is what a rational, open-minded skeptic does... not the clearly emotional, overzealous and borderline pathological way in which you try to ram things down our throats... do I need to count the number of times you've called Rossi a liar... in only a few days? I think it's obvious who is rational and who is obsessed. No, I have no skin in the game and wouldn't consider investing at this time due to the inconclusiveness of the demos... A decision which I had reached by late March, Early April of last year; LONG BEFORE you or Eff or Mary came to save the lot of us because we are too stupid to think for ourselves. Go get laid and do something useful like water the fish... I OBJECT to the innuendo and speculations that you and Eff have been spewing on this forum for several days, even after it has been pointed out to you that the forum is PRIMARILY concerned with the scientific/technical aspects of unusual claims. If you and Eff and Mary want to warn the world about scams, go to it... more power to ya... just not on this forum. We don't need your amateurish reasoning, as stated before, nearly all the questionable issues were already beaten to death by April. This forum has people on it immensely more competent that you, Eff or Mary on scientific/technical matters, and they aren't shy about pointing out problems or inconsistencies, and possible scams. -Mark -Original Message- From: Shaun Taylor [mailto:shauntaylor...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 11:33 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ampenergo's email is disabled On 23/01/2012 5:56 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote: Thank you Susan for triggering a major point about the so-called skeptics, now obviously fitting the definition of 'trolls', that have been spewing their BS for that last several days. If you guys and gals are s concerned about helping prevent people who might invest in this scam, don't you think your time would have been better spent trying to get in contact with Ampenergo to alert them to the big mistake that they have made?? Why you're at it, why don't you contact Rossi's licensee that is in the UK??? Yeah, warn them too! That way, you could save untold numbers of brainless dupes who might be contacted by these other licensees!!! You'd be heros!!! But NO, you'd rather waste your time spewing ridicule and accusations about business/personality issues on a technical/scientific discussion forum.. Now that makes a whole sh*tload of sense, doesn't it. -Mark I have emailed them. No reply as yet. Mark why are you so defensive of Rossi? Do you have skin in this game? Shaun
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May I suggest you to call the office that shares the same address ? ((603) 668 7000). ? Coldstream Office Park 116 South River Road | Bedford, Bedford NH Karl Norwood must have some info since he's both the owner of the reale-state company above and a member of Ampenergo directory board. Hera a couple of pointers. http://www.esowatch.com/en/index.php?title=Focardi-Rossi_Energy-Catalyzer#AmpEnergo http://energycatalyzer3.com/news/more-details-about-ampenergo-deal-available Maybe, if you get an human response, could be better not to mention right away ampenergo but first to ask to get Karl Norwood to the phone. Please, if you call, don't forget to post here what you find out. Thanks! 2012/1/23 Shaun Taylor shauntaylor...@gmail.com A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: ecolog...@tellink.net (ultimately generated from i...@ampenergo.com) SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:ecolog...@tellink.net : host ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM [74.125.65.27]: 550 5.2.1 The email account that you tried to reach is disabled. b3si4290135anh.93 -- This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. -- Seems Ampenergo no longer wants to talk to anybody. Wonder why? No one on the payroll? Is the web site only a ghost of a now dead Ampenergo? Anyone have their phone number? If so Skype call them and report on what happens. If Rossi no longer has a functional Americas licensee, what does that say about the validity of his secret US customer? Will Rossi soon say Sorry my bad interpenetration. I meant to say I hope to soon have a customer. The great temple of cards, build to honour the LENR God Ecat is starting to fall apart no matter how many lies or false data the High Priest Rossi mutters and creates in secret incantations. Yea the faithful do not tremble in fear as the foundations crumble and temple falls apart around you. Instead you heart should be strong and rejoice as the Lord God Ecat will not be stopped and will save you and your polluted planet. So says the High Priest Rossi. Spew, barf, gag, vomit. Shaun
RE: [Vo]:Ampenergo's email is disabled
Thank you Susan for triggering a major point about the so-called skeptics, now obviously fitting the definition of 'trolls', that have been spewing their BS for that last several days. If you guys and gals are s concerned about helping prevent people who might invest in this scam, don't you think your time would have been better spent trying to get in contact with Ampenergo to alert them to the big mistake that they have made?? Why you're at it, why don't you contact Rossi's licensee that is in the UK??? Yeah, warn them too! That way, you could save untold numbers of brainless dupes who might be contacted by these other licensees!!! You'd be heros!!! But NO, you'd rather waste your time spewing ridicule and accusations about business/personality issues on a technical/scientific discussion forum.. Now that makes a whole sh*tload of sense, doesn't it. -Mark From: Susanna Gipp [mailto:susan.g...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 11:01 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ampenergo's email is disabled May I suggest you to call the office that shares the same address ? ((603) 668 7000). ? Coldstream Office Park 116 South River Road | Bedford, Bedford NH Karl Norwood must have some info since he's both the owner of the reale-state company above and a member of Ampenergo directory board. Hera a couple of pointers. http://www.esowatch.com/en/index.php?title=Focardi-Rossi_Energy-Catalyzer#Am pEnergo http://energycatalyzer3.com/news/more-details-about-ampenergo-deal-available Maybe, if you get an human response, could be better not to mention right away ampenergo but first to ask to get Karl Norwood to the phone. Please, if you call, don't forget to post here what you find out. Thanks!
Re: [Vo]:Ampenergo's email is disabled
On 23/01/2012 5:56 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote: Thank you Susan for triggering a major point about the so-called skeptics, now obviously fitting the definition of ‘trolls’, that have been spewing their BS for that last several days… If you guys and gals are s concerned about helping prevent people who might invest in this scam, don’t you think your time would have been better spent trying to get in contact with Ampenergo to alert them to the big mistake that they have made?? Why you’re at it, why don’t you contact Rossi’s licensee that is in the UK??? Yeah, warn them too! That way, you could save untold numbers of brainless dupes who might be contacted by these other licensees!!! You’d be heros!!! But NO, you’d rather waste your time spewing ridicule and accusations about business/personality issues on a technical/scientific discussion forum…. Now that makes a whole sh*tload of sense, doesn’t it. -Mark I have emailed them. No reply as yet. Mark why are you so defensive of Rossi? Do you have skin in this game? Shaun
