Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion and the Star Trek Economy

2011-12-16 Thread Harry Veeder
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 8:07 PM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 December 2011 21:24, Zell, Chris chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote: How much government spending goes to the richest 1%?  Very little, I think. This is the very problem of current socialist policy. However, if we

Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion and the Star Trek Economy

2011-12-15 Thread Alain Sepeda
interesting vision. basic income is a liberal version of the basic public interest services : basic education, transport, food, culture... it can be criticized because nothing prevent you to use basic income to gamble on horses or drink, instead of educating your kids or building your

Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion and the Star Trek Economy

2011-12-15 Thread Alain Sepeda
just a link http://davecline.posterous.com/the-implications-of-free-energy some good ideas 2011/12/14 Zell, Chris chrisz...@wetmtv.com

Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion and the Star Trek Economy

2011-12-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: just a link http://davecline.posterous.com/the-implications-of-free-energy some good ideas I disagree with one of the author's main points, which is: Although it might seem that way on first ponder, unfortunately free energy would fail to release

Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion and the Star Trek Economy

2011-12-14 Thread Daniel Rocha
Only a kind of socialism? Why do you think they wore red uniforms? :) http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/Trek-Marxism.html BTW, concerning government spending, how much of that goes to the 1%? 2011/12/14 Zell, Chris chrisz...@wetmtv.com ** I absolutely hate to admit it but these

RE: [Vo]:Cold Fusion and the Star Trek Economy

2011-12-14 Thread Zell, Chris
How much government spending goes to the richest 1%? Very little, I think. You have to allow for some discretion, for God's sake! They invest in Congress (lobbyists, re-election cash and outright bribes) and get - not outright cash in return but rather legislation that inhibits competition,

Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion and the Star Trek Economy

2011-12-14 Thread Daniel Rocha
So, a direct estimation is not possible. I wonder then if some kind of parameter could be used to analyze that. I guess trying to be fair is better. 2011/12/14 Zell, Chris chrisz...@wetmtv.com ** How much government spending goes to the richest 1%? Very little, I think. You have to allow

Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion and the Star Trek Economy

2011-12-14 Thread Alain Sepeda
my estimate is the the 1% will try to privatize LENR, like they privatize globalization those 30 last years (since reagan/thatcher)... that is the danger but lenr hace bad caracteristic for that unlike green helps 2011/12/14 Zell, Chris chrisz...@wetmtv.com ** How much government spending

RE: [Vo]:Cold Fusion and the Star Trek Economy

2011-12-14 Thread Zell, Chris
? From: alain.coetm...@gmail.com [mailto:alain.coetm...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Alain Sepeda Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 3:12 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion and the Star Trek Economy my estimate is the the 1% will try to privatize LENR, like

Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion and the Star Trek Economy

2011-12-14 Thread Jouni Valkonen
On 14 December 2011 21:24, Zell, Chris chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote: How much government spending goes to the richest 1%? Very little, I think. This is the very problem of current socialist policy. However, if we use 99% of collected tax revenues to support purchasing power of middle class, that