Re: [Vo]:Ethanol not all bad?

2008-06-21 Thread Wesley Bruce
Michael Foster wrote: Ethanol from corn is a crime and people are dying from it. Sorry Michael but no-one is dieing because of ethanol production. They are dieing because the things they sell are not valuable enough to pay for the oil, fertilizer, etc that goes into modern farming and

Re: [Vo]:Ethanol not all bad?

2008-06-21 Thread R C Macaulay
Howdy Wesley, We are looking for a person with proven experience in rainmaking. This person should have the ability to make it rain in suitable quanities and time intervals conducive with the type of crop planted. This person need not hold a degree but must have proven experience in

Re: [Vo]:Ethanol not all bad?

2008-06-21 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Wesley Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry Michael but no-one is dieing because of ethanol production. That's not entirely accurate. The doctor's told my grandfather that if he kept consuming a pint of corn ethanol every day it would kill him. It did after 88

Re: [Vo]:Ethanol not all bad?

2008-06-19 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is very complicated to try to explain, since it doesn't sound logical. Somewhere, I read a similar idea except using naphtha. I'll see if I can find the citation. Terry

Re: [Vo]:Ethanol not all bad?

2008-06-19 Thread Jones Beene
[This is a reposting and slight revision of a message that did not get into the archives. Since many of us lazier souls are now using the archives for reference, as opposed to a good filing system, it is wise to check.] From the recent green automotive News - remember this name EBS

Re: [Vo]:Ethanol not all bad?

2008-06-18 Thread Jones Beene
Forgot to include the URL of the EBS website (where the performance claims are slightly 'tempered' over the anecdotal reports, but not by much) http://www.ethanolboost.com/EBS_Overview.pdf

Re: [Vo]:Ethanol not all bad?

2008-06-17 Thread R C Macaulay
- Original Message - From: Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex vortex-l@eskimo.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ethanol not all bad? --- Michael For example, the recent meager farm subsidy bill was $307 billion! WHOA

Re: [Vo]:Ethanol not all bad?

2008-06-17 Thread R C Macaulay
- Original Message - From: Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex vortex-l@eskimo.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ethanol not all bad? --- Michael For example, the recent meager farm subsidy bill was $307 billion! WHOA

Re: [Vo]:Ethanol not all bad?

2008-06-17 Thread R C Macaulay
Howdy Jones, Good thought, The major oil companies are an intergrated lot and function as a power unto themselves worldwide.They are in the category of producers in industry. However, I will give them credit for bringing a form of sanity into the world of economics as taught nowdays at

Re: [Vo]:Ethanol not all bad?

2008-06-17 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jun 16, 2008, at 10:43 AM, Michael Foster wrote: Horace wrote: On Jun 16, 2008, at 10:03 AM, Michael Foster wrote: For example, the recent meager farm subsidy bill was $307 billion! That's $1000 for each person in the U.S., or roughly $2600 per household. How is this meager? I

Re: [Vo]:Ethanol not all bad?

2008-06-16 Thread Michael Foster
Jones wrote: Critics wrongly blame ethanol, not diesel tractor fuel or fertilizer for the rising food costs - and then they have the nerve to point the finger at massive farm subsidies ... Ha ... these subsidies are meager compared to the tax breaks and value of oil depletiotn allowances

Re: [Vo]:Ethanol not all bad?

2008-06-16 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jun 16, 2008, at 10:03 AM, Michael Foster wrote: For example, the recent meager farm subsidy bill was $307 billion! That's $1000 for each person in the U.S., or roughly $2600 per household. How is this meager? I don't like to be picky, but I think that is roughly a dollar per

Re: [Vo]:Ethanol not all bad?

2008-06-16 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jun 16, 2008, at 10:03 AM, Michael Foster wrote: For example, the recent meager farm subsidy bill was $307 billion! That's $1000 for each person in the U.S., or roughly $2600 per household. How is this meager? I just wrote: I don't like to be picky, but I think that is roughly a

Re: [Vo]:Ethanol not all bad?

2008-06-16 Thread Michael Foster
Horace wrote: On Jun 16, 2008, at 10:03 AM, Michael Foster wrote: For example, the recent meager farm subsidy bill was $307 billion! That's $1000 for each person in the U.S., or roughly $2600 per household. How is this meager? I don't like to be picky, but I think that is

Re: [Vo]:Ethanol not all bad?

2008-06-16 Thread Michael Foster
Horace wrote: On Jun 16, 2008, at 10:03 AM, Michael Foster wrote: For example, the recent meager farm subsidy bill was $307 billion! That's $1000 for each person in the U.S., or roughly $2600 per household. How is this meager? I just wrote: I don't like to be picky, but I

RE: [Vo]:Ethanol not all bad?

2008-06-16 Thread Jeff Fink
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 2:20 PM To: Vortex-L Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ethanol not all bad? On Jun 16, 2008, at 10:03 AM, Michael Foster wrote: For example, the recent meager farm subsidy bill was $307 billion! That's $1000 for each person in the U.S., or roughly $2600 per

RE: [Vo]:Ethanol not all bad?

2008-06-16 Thread Michael Foster
--- On Mon, 6/16/08, Jeff Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The mortgage bailout of a few weeks ago is also funded for 300 billion. So, double the cost to the responsible American! I'm really tired of having responsible American being made responsible for everyone else's irresponsibility!

RE: [Vo]:Ethanol not all bad?

2008-06-16 Thread Michael Foster
--- On Mon, 6/16/08, Lawrence de Bivort [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 'evil conspiracy of Big Oil' might seem less so if there were more transparency in their dealings with US government officials. Why do you suppose the participants in and gist of the conversations between Big Oil

Re: [Vo]:Ethanol not all bad?

2008-06-16 Thread Jones Beene
--- Michael For example, the recent meager farm subsidy bill was $307 billion! WHOA !! That figure is for a multi-year farm bill which covers way more that subsidies and is WAY high as regards actual payments to farmers in any given year - actually it is about 25 times higher than what

RE: [Vo]:Ethanol not all bad?

2008-06-16 Thread Lawrence de Bivort
The reality, I think, is that the business of governance has become too complex for the institutions and people responsible for legislation. Lobbyists feed into this complexity by suggesting that issues can be broken down into independent issues, and tackled one by one with little attention to