RE: Message from D. Pimentel

2006-02-03 Thread Zell, Chris
Well, that settles it. The voice of God has spoken and settled the matter for us. His 2003 study claims that Brazil dropped subsidies because ethanol production was ineffective. Yet, ethanol has expanded there, along with ethanol exports doubling recently. Apparently, they found ways to become

RE: Message from D. Pimentel

2006-02-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Zell, Chris wrote: [Pimentel's] 2003 study claims that Brazil dropped subsidies because ethanol production was ineffective. Yet, ethanol has expanded there, along with ethanol exports doubling recently. Yes. As I pointed out last month this industry is built on the backs of slave labor,

RE: Message from D. Pimentel

2006-02-03 Thread Zell, Chris
-Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 10:32 AM To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Subject: RE: Message from D. Pimentel . This comment is petulant and sophomoric. You should read his papers carefully and then if you find a technical

RE: Message from D. Pimentel

2006-02-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Zell, Chris wrote: As for Brazil and the rest - so now ethanol is a human rights issue? You're getting desperate. Not me; the peasants and children of Brazil are desperate. This has been a human rights issue from the beginning. See: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_food.html (I

RE: Message from D. Pimentel

2006-02-03 Thread Zell, Chris
-Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 11:48 AM To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Subject: RE: Message from D. Pimentel Zell, Chris wrote: As for Brazil and the rest - so now ethanol is a human rights issue? You're getting desperate

RE: Message from D. Pimentel

2006-02-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Zell, Chris wrote: I think US farmers can handle this without a return to slavery. Absolutely! They do this by replacing human labor with machinery, energy intense production methods, fertilizer and pesticides. That is why U.S. agriculture is the most efficient in the world, measured in

RE: Message from D. Pimentel

2006-02-03 Thread Zell, Chris
-Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 3:21 PM To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Subject: RE: Message from D. Pimentel Zell, Chris wrote: I think US farmers can handle this without a return to slavery. Absolutely! They do

RE: Message from D. Pimentel

2006-02-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Zell, Chris wrote: All that matters is the price per BTU, without subsidy for either gasoline or ethanol. Ah. Well, if we apply that standard the ethanol industry will disappear overnight. It is heavily subsidized directly and indirectly. That is say, farmers are subsidized for growing