On Dec 19, 2005, at 12:33 PM, Robin van Spaandonk wrote:
If the electrodes do indeed form diodes, and the glow occurs
during reverse bias, then that is when a high voltage falls across
a very thin chemical layer. The electron leakage current could be
sufficiently accelerated to produce
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Tue, 27 Dec 2005 00:58:02
-0900:
Hi Horace,
[snip]
After Bill's post, and before mine, you posted two messages. In
the first, you wrote:-
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My opinion is the glow is probably caused by
On Dec 19, 2005, at 9:50 AM, William Beaty wrote:
See http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/borax.htm
What is the mechanism?
Brian WhatcottAltus OKEureka!
I just noticed in the above page Nyle Steiner writes: The aluminum
becomes the cathode after a forming process of applying
On Dec 19, 2005, at 12:33 PM, Robin van Spaandonk wrote:
In reply to William Beaty's message of Mon, 19 Dec 2005 10:50:46
-0800 (PST):
Hi,
[snip]
Mix 1 tablespoon baking soda in 1 pint water.
Cut two electrodes from an aluminum pie dish
Place the elctrodes on opposite sides of a jam-jar.
of HCO3- to form OH - anions too.
Fred
[Original Message]
From: Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Date: 12/26/2005 5:30:01 PM
Subject: Re: weird glow from aluminum in baking soda solution
On Dec 19, 2005, at 12:33 PM, Robin van Spaandonk wrote:
In reply to William
On Dec 26, 2005, at 5:09 PM, Frederick Sparber wrote:
At Sandia Labs in 1960-61 I made instant Hard Anodized Aluminum
(6061T6)
rods and
strips by dipping them into a weak acid solution such as Molybdic
with
lots
of dry ice in the solution using a brass plate as the cathode.
A 250 D.C.
Another variation on electrospark:
http://www.earthtech.org/experiments/sparkly/report.html
No excess energy, but uses AC, LiOH electrolyte, 6061 alloy Al rods,
and is way up in the electrospark regime at 400 V. Nice photos and
description.
Horace Heffner
On Dec 19, 2005, at 12:33 PM, Robin van Spaandonk wrote:
If the electrodes do indeed form diodes,
The electrodes do indeed form diodes with high breakdown voltages,
depending on the metal and electrolyte used. For example, Al and Zr,
can glow, Mg and Pb produce no glow. It takes
On Dec 20, 2005, at 8:50 AM, I wrote:
The diode effect then essentially comes from the difference in
mobility of protons vs OH- through the anode interface layer.
That should say: The diode effect then essentially comes from the
difference in mobility of protons through the cathode
The diode effect must essentially come from the difference in
mobility of protons through the cathode interface layer vs OH-
through the anode interface layer.
Continuing this line of thought, and the bumbling and stumbling
around, if neutral OH is indeed created at the anode then OH- is a
On Dec 20, 2005, at 3:33 PM, I wrote:
Given a voltage drop across the interface of 200 V, and a thickness
of the nonconducting layer near the anode as 20 angstroms, the
electrostatic field would be 2x10^12 V/m.
This should have said: Given a voltage drop across the interface of
120 V,
Sometimes I can't get anything right! Sorry. One more time ...
On Dec 19, 2005, at 9:50 AM, William Beaty wrote:
In a dark room, the electrodes glow.
See http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/borax.htm
What is the mechanism?
An aluminum oxide layer grows on the surface of the electrodes to a
On Tue, 20 Dec 2005, Michael Foster wrote:
I don't think its accurate to refer to this as electroluminescence.
It's more like electro-scintillation. If you look at the electrode
under about 40X magnification, it resembles a swarm of fireflies.
Anodized aluminum has a VERY weird structure;
On Dec 19, 2005, at 8:48 PM, Michael Foster wrote:
I don't think its accurate to refer to this as electroluminescence.
It's more like electro-scintillation. If you look at the electrode
under about 40X magnification, it resembles a swarm of fireflies.
Most of the light given off is apparently
first thought, id have to do it to match, but the color of the glow is similar to burning baking soda. it could simply be the layer on the alluminum valence jumping.
On 12/19/05, William Beaty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
See below!-- Forwarded message --Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:35:07
On Dec 19, 2005, at 9:50 AM, William Beaty wrote:
See http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/borax.htm
What is the mechanism?
This was discussed here in 2004 and prior years. For some background
see:
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/BlueAEH.pdf
My opinion is the glow is probably
On Dec 19, 2005, at 9:50 AM, William Beaty wrote:
See http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/borax.htm
What is the mechanism?
As food for thought, you might also check out:
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/BlueAEH.pdf
Even though the blue glow is an anode effect, proton involvement is
In reply to William Beaty's message of Mon, 19 Dec 2005 10:50:46
-0800 (PST):
Hi,
[snip]
Mix 1 tablespoon baking soda in 1 pint water.
Cut two electrodes from an aluminum pie dish
Place the elctrodes on opposite sides of a jam-jar.
Connect the electrolytic cell in series with a 75 watt lamp
to a
i go with that. especially, as i said, the color matches when you burn it. therefore it makes sense that we have electrons jumping to higher valence energy levels, and emitting when they drop.
On 12/19/05, Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In reply toWilliam Beaty's message of Mon, 19
On Dec 19, 2005, at 9:50 AM, William Beaty wrote:
See http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/borax.htm
What is the mechanism?
I wrote: As food for thought, you might also check out:
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/BlueAEH.pdf
Messing up things as usual! That should have said:As food for
Robin wrote:
If the electrodes do indeed form diodes, and the glow occurs
during reverse bias, then that is when a high voltage falls across
a very thin chemical layer. The electron leakage current could be
sufficiently accelerated to produce energetic electrons capable of
exciting high
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