Re: [Vo]:Hypothesis explaining FTL neutrinos

2011-09-24 Thread Peter Heckert
Years ago there was a theory of Professor Günter Nimtz at university Kölln Germany. He had the theory (basing on experimental data) that Light has infinite speed inside Tunnel Effect regions. He made measurements and presented an Experiment where a Mozart Symphony was transmitted over short

Re: [Vo]:Hypothesis explaining FTL neutrinos

2011-09-24 Thread Jouni Valkonen
Horace, I was going to forward your message to another forum and put reference to mail-archive, but again your message did not make it into the archive. http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/ Perhaps, you should try http://goo.gl instead of tinyurl.com –Jouni 2011/9/24 Horace

Re: [Vo]:Neutrinos, FTL, and scientific textus receptus

2011-09-24 Thread Horace Heffner
On Sep 23, 2011, at 9:58 PM, Kyle Mcallister wrote: --- On Fri, 9/23/11, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: This measurement conflicts with early arrival time data for neutrinos from supernova. The New Scientist article quotes Marc Sher of the College of William and Mary in

Re: [Vo]:Neutrinos, FTL, and scientific textus receptus

2011-09-24 Thread Horace Heffner
A slight correction to the Dt calc made below. On Sep 23, 2011, at 9:58 PM, Kyle Mcallister wrote: --- On Fri, 9/23/11, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: This measurement conflicts with early arrival time data for neutrinos from supernova. The New Scientist article quotes Marc

[Vo]:Hypothesis explaining FTL neutrinos

2011-09-24 Thread Horace Heffner
The New Scientist article, Dimension-hop may allow neutrinos to cheat light speed, here: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20957-dimensionhop-may-allow- neutrinos-to-cheat-light-speed.html suggest dimension hops as the means for neutrinos traveling faster than light, as measured in

Re: [Vo]:Hypothesis explaining FTL neutrinos

2011-09-24 Thread Horace Heffner
On Sep 24, 2011, at 5:13 AM, Jouni Valkonen wrote: Horace, I was going to forward your message to another forum and put reference to mail-archive, but again your message did not make it into the archive. http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/ Perhaps, you should try http://goo.gl

Re: [Vo]:Hypothesis explaining FTL neutrinos

2011-09-24 Thread Horace Heffner
On Sep 24, 2011, at 1:08 AM, Peter Heckert wrote: Years ago there was a theory of Professor Günter Nimtz at university Kölln Germany. He had the theory (basing on experimental data) that Light has infinite speed inside Tunnel Effect regions. He made measurements and presented an Experiment

[Vo]:Mind Reading 1 Step Closer to Reality

2011-09-24 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
The technology takes an fMRI (fMRI ???) setup, a supercomputer, and a subject willing to undergo hours of pre-training, but still ... pretty amazing! http://techland.time.com/2011/09/23/scientists-can-almost-read-your-mind-tur n-thoughts-into-movies/ Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson

RE: [Vo]:Neutrinos, FTL, and scientific textus receptus

2011-09-24 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
Kyle, Enjoyed your rant! Thx. RE: the 'god' particle being really hard to find... Makes me wonder if the (unconscious?) motivation for its existence came out of a realization by the physics powerbrokers that they needed a reason to justify an even larger research budget. Let's hypothesize a new

Re: [Vo]: Latest from Thane

2011-09-24 Thread Harry Veeder
Mark, Thane posted this reponse to my comments: Dear hveeder, Actually if you want to use a gasoline engine analogy (as coined by one of our engineer investors...) the vehicle would be accelerating while the gas tank is filling up with fuel and eventually you would have to stop at the side of

Re: [Vo]:Mind Reading 1 Step Closer to Reality

2011-09-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
THAT is astounding. There has been slow progress toward mind-reading machines and machines that can be controlled by the mind. This looks like a large leap. Kind of like that Google self-driving car versus earlier attempts to make antonymous cars. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Neutrinos, FTL, and scientific textus receptus

2011-09-24 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-09-24 01:58 AM, Kyle Mcallister wrote: [ ... ] It should be pointed out that there are formulations of relativistic transforms (Tangherlini, Selleri, etc.) which allow some form of absolute reference frame, and therefore absolute simultaneity. There is a distinct 'past' and 'future'.

Re: [Vo]:Neutrinos, FTL, and scientific textus receptus

2011-09-24 Thread Jouni Valkonen
2011/9/24 Kyle Mcallister kyle_mcallis...@yahoo.com: If an assumed absolute frame is present, these do not happen, you simply arrive quicker, but the speed in different directions is varied. It would be, I think, an interesting experiment, if possible, to measure the speed of these (if they

Re: [Vo]:Neutrinos, FTL, and scientific textus receptus

2011-09-24 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
And by the way... On 11-09-24 01:58 AM, Kyle Mcallister wrote: Now, the article goes on to say that maybe the neutrinos did some funny travel through another dimension, and arrived at the destination sooner by taking a shortcut. So, no, they never really traveled faster than light. This is

Re: [Vo]:the OTHER zero point

2011-09-24 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
First, you hit a sore point here, and I'm going to address it first. The sore point is people giving some special, unusual meaning to a common word, and then pretending that they've done something more clever than just introduce a monkey wrench into the discussion. On 11-09-23 07:32 PM,

Re: [Vo]:Hypothesis explaining FTL neutrinos

2011-09-24 Thread Axil Axil
rom the experiment done back in 2008 as discussed in this article, quantum information can travel at speeds that exceed 100,000 times C (the speed of light in a vacuum). http://www.nature.com/news/2008/080813/full/news.2008.1038.html The concept of time may not necessary apply to quantum

[Vo]:Re: Response to Henk Houkes

2011-09-24 Thread Henk Houkes
Horace, thanks for your reply. Your frustration about the incompleteness of the EK travel report is understandable, but by questioning everything that was or was not measured or reported, and by generating a lot of new uncertainties you certainly do not help those who seek to converge to

Re: [Vo]:Hypothesis explaining FTL neutrinos

2011-09-24 Thread Mauro Lacy
On 09/24/2011 11:04 AM, Horace Heffner wrote: The New Scientist article, Dimension-hop may allow neutrinos to cheat light speed, here: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20957-dimensionhop-may-allow- neutrinos-to-cheat-light-speed.html suggest dimension hops as the means for neutrinos

Re: [Vo]:Hypothesis explaining FTL neutrinos

2011-09-24 Thread Axil Axil
The Mikheyev–Smirnov–Wolfenstein effect (often referred to as the matter effect) is a particle physics process which can act to modify neutrino oscillations in matter. The work by American physicist Lincoln Wolfenstein in 1978 and the work by Soviet physicists Stanislav Mikheyev and Alexei Smirnov

Re: [Vo]:Neutrinos, FTL, and scientific textus receptus

2011-09-24 Thread Kyle Mcallister
--- On Sat, 9/24/11, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: In the CERN OPERA results, neutrinos arrived about 2.48x10^-5 the travel time sooner than expected. For a 168,000 ly trip the expected photon arrival delay time Dt should be    Dt = (2.48x10^-5)*(168,000 yr) = 1521 days =

Re: [Vo]:Neutrinos, FTL, and scientific textus receptus

2011-09-24 Thread Axil Axil
but the big thing at the moment is, it seems to me, can it transfer information faster than light in free space. No, only in dense matter, not free space... Best regards, Axil On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 1:30 AM, Kyle Mcallister kyle_mcallis...@yahoo.comwrote: --- On Sat, 9/24/11, Horace

Re: [Vo]:Neutrinos, FTL, and scientific textus receptus

2011-09-24 Thread Kyle Mcallister
--- On Sat, 9/24/11, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote: From: Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com I believe I alluded to something like this earlier. In reading back over previous emails, yes, you're right. In a universe which adheres in general to the SR model, you can, none the