Re: [Vo]:The dream is over? Rossi - Defkalion ran out of money?

2011-08-09 Thread Andrea Selva
they don't delay his schedule. -Mark -Original Message- From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson [mailto:svj.orionwo...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 12:11 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:The dream is over? Rossi - Defkalion ran out of money? Thanks Andrea

Re: [Vo]:The dream is over? Rossi - Defkalion ran out of money?

2011-08-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Andrea Selva wrote: Mark, I think he should have started his marketing campaign in a country with no internet connections. Yes! - Jed

Re: [Vo]:The dream is over? Rossi - Defkalion ran out of money?

2011-08-09 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Andrea and Jed sez: Mark, I think he should have started his marketing campaign in a country  with no internet connections. Yes! North Korea could really use the energy. Guess they could go out and sell a couple of missals to al qaeda. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com

[Vo]:The dream is over?

2011-08-08 Thread Daniel Rocha
So, we now are aware that one of the parties, either Rossi's or Defkalion, has been telling big lies. That makes everything questionable. So, I think it is safe to say that, true or not, Rossi's device is at a dead end.

Re: [Vo]:The dream is over?

2011-08-08 Thread Peter Gluck
It depends on what was your dream- Rossi's E-cat or LENR performed with Ni but also with all transition metals on industrial level. However it would be good to know who has told the Big LIe Rossi or the Greek Company- do they (the Company) have generators and some basic know how? Can they

Re: [Vo]:The dream is over?

2011-08-08 Thread Daniel Rocha
I think it is difficult to think that Rossi was not aware of what was written on the Defkalion's forums by the their staff: - They have build working systems -- kilowatt scale and megawatt scale. - Their design for the reactor is different than yours, but is fully functional. - They

Re: [Vo]:The dream is over?

2011-08-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: So, we now are aware that one of the parties, either Rossi's or Defkalion, has been telling big lies. That makes everything questionable. So, I think it is safe to say that, true or not, Rossi's device is at a dead end. On the contrary, when people

Re: [Vo]:The dream is over?

2011-08-08 Thread Daniel Rocha
So, at the very least, Rossi erred by omission, a very bad one, by not dismissing Defkalion's claims of massively testing e-cats. So, he blatantly associated with liars and cheaters.

Re: [Vo]:The dream is over?

2011-08-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: One or the other has to be lying. PESN agrees with me. See: http://pesn.com/2011/08/07/9501887_An_E-Cat_Full_of_Lies_-_Rossi_or_Defkalion/ This is a good summary of Rossi versus Defkalion claims, and Defkalion's statements about testing in the Greek government. A later report:

Re: [Vo]:The dream is over?

2011-08-08 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From Daniel: So, at the very least, Rossi erred by omission, a very bad one, by not dismissing Defkalion's claims of massively testing e-cats. So, he blatantly associated with liars and cheaters. It's just business. Nothing personal. ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com

Re: [Vo]:The dream is over?

2011-08-08 Thread Daniel Rocha
I am not talking about something personal. Just that there was at the very least a scam from Defkalion.

Re: [Vo]:The dream is over?

2011-08-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: So, at the very least, Rossi erred by omission, a very bad one, by not dismissing Defkalion's claims of massively testing e-cats. So, he blatantly associated with liars and cheaters. I do not understand what you mean, not dismissing. He does dismiss

Re: [Vo]:The dream is over?

2011-08-08 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 11:37 AM 8/8/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: I wrote: One or the other has to be lying. PESN agrees with me. See: http://pesn.com/2011/08/07/9501887_An_E-Cat_Full_of_Lies_-_Rossi_or_Defkalion/ This is a good summary of Rossi versus Defkalion claims, and Defkalion's statements about testing in the

Re: [Vo]:The dream is over?

2011-08-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: I am not talking about something personal. Just that there was at the very least a scam from Defkalion. Perhaps, but I think it is more likely that Rossi is lying about what Defkalion has. I think it is unlikely he does not realize what they have. But

Re: [Vo]:The dream is over?

2011-08-08 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From Daniel: I am not talking about something personal. Just that there was at the very least a scam from Defkalion. Again, it's just business! Perhaps the following links will shed light on the nothing personal phrase. ;-) http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/show/29227

Re: [Vo]:The dream is over?

2011-08-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: This is a good summary of Rossi versus Defkalion claims, and Defkalion's statements about testing in the Greek government. Except that Defkalion never said they built a CORE (The fist-sized part of the mini-eCat). Rossi says Not one single test, of the

Re: [Vo]:The dream is over?

2011-08-08 Thread Daniel Rocha
Jed, I meant dismissed before he split out of Defkalion. He was okay with them lying while there was promise of money from Defkalion. If that was some minor detail, that would be alright, like releasing date, some fine detail about the working of the machines. But, they lied about everything! They

Re: [Vo]:The dream is over? Rossi - Defkalion ran out of money?

2011-08-08 Thread Alan J Fletcher
Andrea Rossi August 8th, 2011 at 1:38 PM Dear Alessandro Casali: I repeat that the reason of the split from Defkalion has been only and exclusively financial. As for all the other issue: as all our Readers know, I always said that we would have been ready for the market from November only

Re: [Vo]:The dream is over? Rossi - Defkalion ran out of money?

2011-08-08 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 12:01 PM 8/8/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote: Andrea Rossi August 8th, 2011 at 1:38 PM the only problem has been that they were delaying from months their financial duties, until it has not been possible to go ahead. Of course, since they have not respected what due, Which contradicts

Re: [Vo]:The dream is over? Rossi - Defkalion ran out of money?

2011-08-08 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Thanks Andrea, It would appear that Mr. Iverson's assessment may have been pretty accurate. Put out [the money] or it's the hi-way. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks

RE: [Vo]:The dream is over?

2011-08-08 Thread Jones Beene
Whoa! The Dream is not over. It has just been renamed . and/or redefined. There does not have to be a lie. The scenario which keeps everyone (both Rossi and DGT) technically honest is: 1)Cyprus is not Greece, and there are at least two corporate entities involved with similar names -

Re: [Vo]:The dream is over?

2011-08-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Jed, I meant dismissed before he split out of Defkalion. He was okay with them lying while there was promise of money from Defkalion. If that was some minor detail, that would be alright, like releasing date, some fine detail about the working of the

RE: [Vo]:The dream is over?

2011-08-08 Thread Mark Iverson
It takes a lawyer, or a former lawyer, to recognize the following comment by Jones (a former lawyer): 2)There are no Rossi reactors in Greece. True. In fact the reactors submitted to the Greek government are made by DGT, called Hyperions and are not Rossi's E-Cats, and come from a design of

Re: [Vo]:The dream is over?

2011-08-08 Thread Harry Veeder
: [Vo]:The dream is over? Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: This is a good summary of Rossi versus Defkalion claims, and Defkalion's statements about testing in the Greek government. Except that Defkalion never said they built a CORE (The fist-sized part of the mini-eCat). Rossi says Not one

RE: [Vo]:The dream is over? Rossi - Defkalion ran out of money?

2011-08-08 Thread Mark Iverson
12:11 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:The dream is over? Rossi - Defkalion ran out of money? Thanks Andrea, It would appear that Mr. Iverson's assessment may have been pretty accurate. Put out [the money] or it's the hi-way. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com