RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

2011-11-14 Thread Roarty, Francis X
David,
Defkalion's product does NOT need Rossi or his secret sauce, they can 
model from the same work by Piantelli's that Rossi used as a starting point. 
Recent reports say that Piantelli has significantly increased his energy 
density and then there are similar reports from Milley. Even work by Arrata and 
recent replication by Ahern suggest that Defkallion can pick and choose from a 
number of different baselines to start from without any help from Rossi. You 
also make a good point about the improved engineering quality of the hyperion 
being able to safely withstand a much higher energy gain - this also makes 
control easier if it's geometry remains undamaged you get a larger control 
window and can spend longer in run away before the control loop resets it in 
preparation for next cycle. I think Rossi is aware of this but had no choice - 
he gave away the store in the initial contract and the breach was the perfect 
excuse to find another partner for much cheaper. 

 IMHO Defkallion should make their own powder, I don't give Rossi's micro 
tubules have any great advantage over the nano powders of other researchers. My 
posit is in the care of the material from the moment of creation through 
storage and into use, the geometry should be treated as if it were activated 
and is processing ambient gas molecules to the point of melting down the most 
active geometries. Perhaps it should be created and kept in vacuum until it is 
annealed to an active heat sink or not activated by a chemical process until it 
already annealed.
Fran





From: Robert Leguillon [mailto:robert.leguil...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 8:54 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

This may be pointing to the earlier theory (purely supposition):
Rossi really improved Ni-H technology. His reactions were hard to keep stable, 
so he kept tuning it down to keep it stable. When it was 100% stable, he'd 
actually turned it off and was only producing reactions that could be explained 
by poor calorimetry. 
He refused to accept people telling him it wasn't operating, because he knew, 
from seeing it first hand, that the technology was absolutely real and could 
even run away.
The result was public demonstrations with a failing E-Cat, and a very critical 
audience.
Meanwhile, Defkalion had real engineers in the background learning to control 
the reaction. Their technology may have surpassed Rossi early on. They couldn't 
be bothered with his silly demonstrations and public spats: they had real work 
to do...
This would explain quite a bit, but it is merely revisiting a theory from 
months ago.  

David ledin mathematic.analy...@gmail.com wrote:

Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

http://www.defkalion-energy.com/files/DGT_PRESS%20RELEASE_2011-11-14.pdf





Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

2011-11-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote:


  IMHO Defkallion should make their own powder, I don't give Rossi's micro
 tubules have any great advantage over the nano powders of other researchers.


As far as I know, Rossi's powder is much better than anyone else's. It is
far ahead of Piantelli's solid material. However, others are trying to
develop powder, and they may be catching up.

If Defkalion has samples of Rossi's powder, as they claim, and if they are
already manufacturing the stuff, they have a tremendous advantage compared
to others who wish to reverse engineer the powder and develop a new type
not beholden to Rossi.

Once it becomes generally known that it is possible to do this, it is
likely that many other people will figure out how to do it. Ed Storms
remarked that the biggest secret about the atomic bomb in 1945 was that it
is possible to make one. Once the US detonated a bomb, Russia and other
countries were bound to replicate. Russia had the advantage of having spies
in the Manhattan project, but they could have done it without them.

- Jed