Re: [Vo]: Correa Patent Issued
Chris, If you reread the original post where I complimented the Correa's and many others, you might notice it was I that was attacked by said Correa. MC: I can believe that, even though I haven't followed this thread from its start. A while back on Vo there were unjustified attacks from an associate of the Correas whose name I don't now recall. BTW, I contacted over 4000 others not listed from all branches of the Government, NASA and Universities seeking some small assistance, to no avail because I had no credentials, etc and what I said just couldn't possibly be real - but it is. MC: You experience is similar to the Correas, who made many attempts to interest various possible clients, without success. They have been approached by various interests which upon investigation appeard to be bogus. After all that, they have become defensive. If others want to think I have a bad attitude for calling a Spade a Spade - so be it, but from here out I will work as I can without expecting anything but the SOS from others. MC: And so you wind up in a similar position, bitter and a bit battle-weary, with a technology you believe works, unable to get support. This the fate of many in the OU field, and one reason why Gene Mallove tried to provide a receptive ear to people like you. He made serious efforts to be responsive and did put money in various devices, all of which proved to be fatally flawed. Greer at one point was making a similar effort, but I have heard no reports of success. Maybe some of the vorts should get off your duffs and invest in someone - and since Mike says the Correa's have an OU device - start with them. MC: I can cite four initiatives that I know of. 1) There is LENR/CMNS, with hundreds of papers by credentialed investigators, clear evidence of an energetic process but no device emerging from a somwhat disorganized field. 2) There is Mark Goldes, who has been maintaining a very correct position and now energes with a patent for a possible OU device. 3) There is PAGD, where there is a clear energy release from a 'aether' source [the Correa patent states that the energy source is unknown to the inventor, but eventually will be understood by the physics community]. The characteristics of PAGD are such that building a useful working device, such as a motor, powered by PAGD has been a difficult problem whose solution may be the substance of the recent patent. And, finally, 4) Mills' BlackLight Power process, which is well funded [$50+ million ], well organized, and may be close to commercial development. Items 1) and 4) require a fuel, both derivable from water. MC: The contract that the Correas one time wanted was an up-front irrevocable investment of some $15 million over a five year period, with the Correas retaining 51% control. In other words, the investor cannot control what is done or who does it. Lest this seem harsh, what the Correas wanted to do was assemble a team of their choice who would have guaranteed employment for five years to devote full time effort to the project. They could not do this with typical venture capitalists, who want control and may jerk the investment if they don't like what is going on. MC: Chris, acquiring and holding support requires much more than a good idea or device. Personality and many other factors enter in. MC: Good luck. Regards, Mike Carrell
Re: [Vo]: Correa Patent Issued
- Original Message - From: Christopher Arnold Subject: Re: [Vo]: Correa Patent Issued Chris, some corrections. Mike, As you said, you did not study the Correa patent yet insisted in commenting anyway - which was completely your mistake. MC: I said I did not study the new Correa patent. I did not comment on it. I did study the earlier Correa patents on the PAGD device very carefully, and wrote an article about it for IE. To begin with - they are without any doubt using the Alexeff Plasma Discharge Tube. Look at this was - the wheel is invented and someone eventually uses that wheel on a cart. They are still USING the wheel which was not their discovery. MC: By this reasoning, any discharge device would do. What Paulo told me and is in their early patents is that the PAGD effect was discovered in the course of research on X-ray devices. The explored many electrode configurations -- Alexadra is a qualified technical glassblower. The Alexeff device in your link is not the same confirguration the Coorea used. My understanding is that the effect does not depend on electrode configurations but on the specific operating conditions and external circuitry. . Second, the Correa's are calling it an Orgone Motor, however Reich never used electricity to either create or use Orgone - therefore the Correa's are lying about it's connection to Reich. Others have clearly stated that the Correa's are extremely rude, arrogant and down right nasty people that care only about themselves - and I have provided a post from them that proves this is true. MC: I am aware of email correspondence from the Correas and an associate. I spent a weekend with them as their guest and saw different aspects of their life and personality. Forget about their theft of my discoveries - they are lying about Orgone operating their device, because it is operated by electricity as clearly stated in the patent - NOT ORGONE. Lastly - I never said that these clowns did not duplicate Reich's discovery of heat rise within the orgone box, in fact I have also duplicated this and it proves Reich was onto something big, but the Correa's are just goofy. I told them I could rebuild the Orgone motor and they assumed that I was talking about my device - however these clowns are completely mistaken because what I proposed to them was not powered by electricity at all, but after their slanderous post calling ME a liar, I decided it was best to forget about further dealings with crazies like the Correa's. The application date of the Correa's new patent is AFTER I first called them to explain how my device works, and I guess they liked it enough to steal my Plasma Drive and couple it with their copy of the Alexeff Plasma Discharge Tube. Mike - since you still think the Correa's PAGD motor of the past was OU, exactly how much did you invest in this Seminole, Earth saving technology? MC: I said that the early patents show the PAGD driving a motor. There was no evidence in the patents, or anything that I have seen, that the system was OU in driving a motor. There is evidence that the PAGD cell is strongly OU. An experiment using two PAGD cells and battery packs showed that the battery packs gained energy over time without connection to an external source of power. As for the reference to Seminole, I don't know what you are talking about, nor have I made any investment in anything. MC: Chris, you are showing some of the attitudes and behavior of which you accuse the Correas. I have no interest in making any ajudications in this matter as I lack evidence. I present witness to what I have seen and done with respect tothe PAGD, not to the recent patent. Some of the phrasing suggests a recognition of problems in interfacing PAGD with the real world which I discussed with Paulo at one time. These may well have occurred independantly to the Correas and Harold Aspden. Mike Carrell Chris
Re: [Vo]: Correa Patent Issued
Mike,If you reread the original post where I "complimented" the Correa's and many others, you might notice it was I that was attacked by said Correa. BTW, I contacted over 4000 others not listed from all branches of the Government, NASA and Universities seeking some small assistance, to no avail because I had no credentials, etc and what I said just couldn't possibly be real - but it is.If others want to think I have a bad attitude for calling a Spade a Spade - so be it, but from here out I will work as I can without expecting anything but the SOSfrom others.Maybe some of the vorts should get off your duffs and invest in someone - and since Mike says the Correa's have an OU device - start with them.Best Regards, ChrisMike Carrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Christopher ArnoldSubject: Re: [Vo]: Correa Patent IssuedChris, some corrections.Mike,As you said, you did not study the Correa patent yet insisted in commenting anyway - which was completely your mistake.MC: I said I did not study the new Correa patent. I did not comment on it. I did study the earlier Correa patents on the PAGD device very carefully, and wrote an article about it for IE.To begin with - they are without any doubt using the Alexeff "Plasma Discharge Tube." Look at this was - the wheel is invented and someone eventually uses that wheel on a cart. They are still USING the wheel which was not their discovery.MC: By this reasoning, any discharge device would do. What Paulo told me and is in their early patents is that the PAGD effect was discovered in the course of research on X-ray devices. The explored many electrode configurations -- Alexadra is a qualified technical glassblower. The Alexeff device in your link is not the same confirguration the Coorea used. My understanding is that the effect does not depend on electrode configurations but on the specific operating conditions and external circuitry. .Second, the Correa's are calling it an Orgone Motor, however Reich never used electricity to either create or use Orgone - therefore the Correa's are lying about it's connection to Reich.Others have clearly stated that the Correa's are extremely rude, arrogant and down right nasty people that care only about themselves - and I have provided a post from them that proves this is true.MC: I am aware of email correspondence from the Correas and an associate. I spent a weekend with them as their guest and saw different aspects of their life and personality.Forget about their theft of my discoveries - they are lying about Orgone operating their device, because it is operated by electricity as clearly stated in the patent - NOT ORGONE.Lastly - I never said that these clowns did not duplicate Reich's discovery of heat rise within the orgone box, in fact I have also duplicated this and it proves Reich was onto something big, but the Correa's are just goofy. I told them I could rebuild the Orgone motor and they assumed that I was talking about my device - however these clowns are completely mistaken because what I proposed to them was not powered by electricity at all, but after their slanderous post calling ME a liar, I decided it was best to forget about further dealings with crazies like the Correa's.The application date of the Correa's new patent is AFTER I first called them to explain how my device works, and I guess they liked it enough to steal my Plasma Drive and couple it with their copy of the Alexeff Plasma Discharge Tube.Mike - since you still think the Correa's PAGD motor of the past was OU, exactly how much did you invest in this Seminole, Earth saving technology?MC: I said that the early patents show the PAGD driving a motor. There was no evidence in the patents, or anything that I have seen, that the system was OU in driving a motor. There is evidence that the PAGD cell is strongly OU. An experiment using two PAGD cells and battery packs showed that the battery packs gained energy over time without connection to an external source of power. As for the reference to "Seminole", I don't know what you are talking about, nor have I made any investment in anything.MC: Chris, you are showing some of the attitudes and behavior of which you accuse the Correas. I have no interest in making any ajudications in this matter as I lack evidence. I present witness to what I have seen and done with respect tothe PAGD, not to the recent patent. Some of the phrasing suggests a recognition of problems in interfacing PAGD with the real world which I discussed with Paulo at one time. These may well have occurred independantly to the Correas and Harold Aspden.Mike CarrellChris Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com
Re: [Vo]: Correa Patent Issued
Mike,As you said, you did not study the Correa patent yet insisted in commenting anyway - which was completely your mistake. To begin with - they are without any doubt using the Alexeff "Plasma Discharge Tube." Look at this was - the wheel is invented and someone eventually uses that wheel on a cart. They are still USING the wheel which was not their discovery.Second, the Correa's are calling it an Orgone Motor, however Reich never used electricity to either create or use Orgone - therefore the Correa's are lying about it's connection to Reich.Others have clearly stated that the Correa's are extremely rude, arrogant and down right nasty people that care only about themselves - and I have provided a post from them that provesthis is true.Forget about their theft of my discoveries - they are lying about Orgone operating their device, because it is operated by electricity as clearly stated in the patent - NOT ORGONE.Lastly - I never said that these clowns did not duplicate Reich's discovery of heat rise within the orgone box, in fact I have also duplicated this and it proves Reich was onto something big, but the Correa's are just goofy. I told them I could rebuild the Orgone motor and they assumed that I was talking about my device - however these clowns are completelymistaken because what I proposed to them was not powered by electricity at all, but after their slanderous post calling ME a liar, I decided it was best to forget about further dealings with crazies like the Correa's.The application date ofthe Correa'snewpatent is AFTER I first called them to explain how my device works, and I guess they liked it enough to steal my Plasma Drive and couple it with their copy of the Alexeff Plasma Discharge Tube. Mike - since you still think the Correa's PAGD motor of the past was OU, exactly how much did you invest in this Seminole, Earth saving technology?ChrisMike Carrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MC: I'm reluctant to get involved in this area again, but some things need persepctive. I have seen the text of, but not studied, the new Correa patent.-- - Original Message - From: Christopher ArnoldTo: vortex-l@eskimo.comSent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 9:45 AMSubject: Re: [Vo]: Correa Patent IssuedTerry,Igor Alexeff invented the Plasma Discharge Tube that the Correas Borrowed and say they discovered it. please see this for yourself http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect2=PTO1Sect2=HITOFFp=1u=%2Fnetahtml%%2FPTO%%2Fsearch-bool.htmlr=1f=Gl=50d=PALLRefSrch=yesQuery=PN%2F4291255MC: I looked at the claims and description of the Alexeff device on the referenced link. There is no resemblance to the Correa PAGD, which is apparent if one studies the PAGD patentes, which I have done. Their thread of discovery as descrtibed to me by Paulo is utterly different from Alexeff.The Correas use of my Pulsed Plasma Drive to power their motor is the infringement.MC: The original PAGD patents and claims include driving a motor, which is also illustrated in a early video shown at a conference decades ago,The Pulsed Plasma Drive can never directly produce an abnormal glow discharge which is known of as a weak plasma, compared to the Dense Plasma Focus of my Pulsed Plasma Drive - which is an extremely powerful and energetic Plasma, capable of of D+D, D+T and even aneutronic fusion as I told Puthoff in 2000.MC: And Arnold is now making a clear distinction between his device and PAGD? The PAGD discharge releases much more energy than it takes to maintain the conditions for the effect to occur.If the Correa's PAGD Tube is so marvelous, why didn't it impress Eugene Mallove, considering Mallove flatly told me he did "not" believe my Spark Gap Drive (Pulsed Plasma Drive) would work at all. Jim from Sarasota attempted to get an interview with me published by Mallove, who still thought Dense Plasma Focus would never allow atomic Fusion - but it was all too much for Mallove to understand or believe.MC: Arnold is quite confused here. Mallove *was* impressed by PAGD, which as Arnold says is clearly different from his Dense Plasma Focus device.The Correa's new patent was applied after I first contacted them to explain how my device was different from the PADG tube, and did not even require containment or working gasses - which they did not believe. You can clearly see they believe me now.As for their work with Orgone boxes - please remember it is from the published works of Wilhelm Reich and the Correas only duplicated it, they did NOT discover anything new in that case, or in the case of my Plasma Drive. And yes - I believe that Reich's Orgone box works - but he had many other more obscure contraptions that worked just as well. Reich never mentioned using either AC or DC Electrical Pulses in his devices - and the Orgone device was not my machine, but a contraption that was based on Reich's Orgone theories (not electrical) - and quite strange looking when I first
Re: [Vo]: Correa Patent Issued
MC: I'm reluctant to get involved in this area again, but some things need persepctive. I have seen the text of, but not studied, the new Correa patent. -- - Original Message - From: Christopher Arnold To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Correa Patent Issued Terry, Igor Alexeff invented the Plasma Discharge Tube that the Correas Borrowed and say they discovered it. please see this for yourself http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect2=PTO1Sect2=HITOFFp=1u=%2Fnetahtml%%2FPTO%%2Fsearch-bool.htmlr=1f=Gl=50d=PALLRefSrch=yesQuery=PN%2F4291255 MC: I looked at the claims and description of the Alexeff device on the referenced link. There is no resemblance to the Correa PAGD, which is apparent if one studies the PAGD patentes, which I have done. Their thread of discovery as descrtibed to me by Paulo is utterly different from Alexeff. The Correas use of my Pulsed Plasma Drive to power their motor is the infringement. MC: The original PAGD patents and claims include driving a motor, which is also illustrated in a early video shown at a conference decades ago, The Pulsed Plasma Drive can never directly produce an abnormal glow discharge which is known of as a weak plasma, compared to the Dense Plasma Focus of my Pulsed Plasma Drive - which is an extremely powerful and energetic Plasma, capable of of D+D, D+T and even aneutronic fusion as I told Puthoff in 2000. MC: And Arnold is now making a clear distinction between his device and PAGD? The PAGD discharge releases much more energy than it takes to maintain the conditions for the effect to occur. If the Correa's PAGD Tube is so marvelous, why didn't it impress Eugene Mallove, considering Mallove flatly told me he did not believe my Spark Gap Drive (Pulsed Plasma Drive) would work at all. Jim from Sarasota attempted to get an interview with me published by Mallove, who still thought Dense Plasma Focus would never allow atomic Fusion - but it was all too much for Mallove to understand or believe. MC: Arnold is quite confused here. Mallove *was* impressed by PAGD, which as Arnold says is clearly different from his Dense Plasma Focus device. The Correa's new patent was applied after I first contacted them to explain how my device was different from the PADG tube, and did not even require containment or working gasses - which they did not believe. You can clearly see they believe me now. As for their work with Orgone boxes - please remember it is from the published works of Wilhelm Reich and the Correas only duplicated it, they did NOT discover anything new in that case, or in the case of my Plasma Drive. And yes - I believe that Reich's Orgone box works - but he had many other more obscure contraptions that worked just as well. Reich never mentioned using either AC or DC Electrical Pulses in his devices - and the Orgone device was not my machine, but a contraption that was based on Reich's Orgone theories (not electrical) - and quite strange looking when I first viewed it. MC: To my incomplete knowledge, the Correas are quite familiar with Reich's work. Their orgone box demonstrated a heat differential that was able to drive a simple Stirling engine. By the Correa's suggesting that Reich's works were connected in any way to using electrical driving power - they show themselves to have ZERO comprehension of Reich's true work or the energy involved. As I said, the Correa's are common folk. As for them using a Ouija board, dice or tarot cards for scientific insight - that is more likely than not. MC: This slam is utterly unjustified by volume of careful work represented in the Correa patents. I found the Correas quite sophisticated. Mike Carrell
Re: [Vo]: Correa Patent Issued
Terry,My comments on this are at http://zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=1993mode=threadorder=0thold=0however I will say here that the Correa's are common folk, with no imagination, foul, nastypersonalitiesand they havesticky fingers as well.My Pulsed Plasma Drive worked so well for them - they decided to say they invented it! Running a motor with a Tesla Spark gap is something even Tesla did not do,and it is already covered by my work. So much for it not working.Chris Arnold"The invention also extends to apparatus in which an otherwise drivenplasma reactor operating in pulsed abnormal gas discharge mode in turnused to drive an inertially damped drag motor."Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: US 7,053,576"AbstractThis invention relates to apparatus for the conversion of massfreeenergy into electrical or kinetic energy, which uses in its preferredform a transmitter and a receiver both incorporating Tesla coils, thedistal ends of whose secondary windings are co-resonant and connectedto plates of a chamber, preferably evacuated or filled with water,such that energy radiated by the transmitter may be picked up by thereceiver, the receiver preferably further including a pulsed plasmareactor driven by the receiver coil and a split phase motor driven bythe reactor. Preferably the reactor operates in pulsed abnormal gasdischarge mode, and the motor is an inertially damped drag motor. The invention also extends to apparatus in which an otherwise driven plasma reactor operating in pulsed abnormal gas discharge mode in turn used to drive an inertially damped drag motor." Groups are talking. Were listening. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups.
Re: [Vo]: Correa Patent Issued
Christopher Arnold wrote: Terry, My comments on this are at http://zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=1993mode=threadorder=0thold=0 http://zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=1993mode=threadorder=0thold=0 however I will say here that the Correa's are common folk, with no imagination, foul, nasty personalities and they have sticky fingers as well. I take it that you don't care for Paulo and Alexandra, eh, Chris? My Pulsed Plasma Drive worked so well for them - Your PAGD? they decided to say they invented it! And now you are saying that you developed it? Can you prove that? Running a motor with a Tesla Spark gap is something even Tesla did not do, and it is already covered by my work. So much for it not working. I've heard that the PAGD worked. Apparently it doesn't work all that well. I'm still looking for a FE device to heat my house, winter is coming! What do you think about the Correa's theory about extracting energy from Orgone Boxes? --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---
