RE: [Vo]:E Mallove: LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A Crisis Within a Crisis ???
Over the years, I have learned to read Mills’ very carefully. The present website is a milestone on a road ahead. His policy has been to publish his progress while building and protecting BLP’s patent position. I see hints of more tricks in the CIHT technology. He is at a point of establishing the CIHT technology,, but what the validators did and reported is not a commercial product. A *domestic* product has to be like a water heater, buy-and-forget. One of the validators is from a company that makes high performance insulation; their report is worth reading. How the module in started, and how it performs with a intermittent household load, is not obvious yet from the website. Mills is an extraordinarily brilliant man who has thought through these matters. There is list ‘Society for Classical Physics’ which Mills monitors and gives terse response to sensible questions. All Mills’ work will be a footnote unless the BLP technology is applied worldwide. Eventually there will be utility-scale projects and cars going over a thousand miles on a liter of water. The 1.5 kW module will power homes in a good part of the world, and does not have to qualify as a ‘public utility’; it is a brilliant stroke. Eventually petroleum for fuel will become obsolete [it is really too valuable o burn]; nuclear will be obsolete; ‘solar’ will be obsolete’ ‘wind’ will be obsolete; economic and political structures based on the control of energy sources will become irrelevant. With unlimited, heap, safe energy we can recycle everything and desalinate the oceans for drinking water and irrigation. The CIHT technology is scalable; eventually it will power tools and toys. Mike Carrell From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 4:12 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:E Mallove: LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A Crisis Within a Crisis ??? Thanks for the explanation for the site structure. I would like very much to see this technology advance as it would be idea to power automobiles for example if the energy density is adequate and can be extracted quickly. The requirement for elevated operating temperature gives me pause. I have the suspicion that energy can be stolen from the heating source and delivered to the test load unless some means is used to take into account the energy required as heat. The Blacklight device will have to compete with the other energy systems if it is to be successful, and I am attempting to hold it to the same standards as are applied to the others. With that in mind, I have to assume that anything that has not been demonstrated as a total system could be vaporware. A convincing test would be one where the heat required to operate the device is self supplied. Can I assume that the original heat required to jump start the device must be supplied by a conventional battery? If this is true, then I would hope that the input heat energy is a small portion to that soon supplied by the device. I am thinking of a car propulsion system. Dave -Original Message- From: Mike Carrell mi...@medleas.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Nov 26, 2012 3:29 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:E Mallove: LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A Crisis Within a Crisis ??? Admittedly, the current BLP website might be confusing to one who has not been following Mills’ work. I have, yet it takes me a bit of work too. It might help to understand that the website is a set of ‘lab notes’, the latest in a series decades long. It establisher continuing ‘reduction practice’ of the discoveries contained in the massive Grand Unified Theory of classical Physics, which is a free download from the website. Read carefully the ‘Validation’. Six competent observers were independently given a briefing by Mills, and then assembled a small test ell and tested it with instruments whose calibrations were traceable to national standards. The data tables are available on the website. For these test cells, the energy gain is in the low multiples and the net power low, like a flashlight battery. But the cells run for months. One of the observers extrapolated the potential power density to the kW/liter range, but practical considerations, now being explored, may point to a lower level. A 10 watt ‘battery’ has been achieved, with 100 watts a target for 2012 and 1.5 kW next year. The current capacity is proportional to the area of the cell lamina, and the voltage proportional to the number of cell laminas in a stack. The water vapor [gas] must permeate the whole stack to realize maximum output. The cell operates at 450C to liquefy some lithium compounds as conductors, and the cell must be well insulated against heat loss; the energy to initiaed the operation is not part of the energy budget. Do not judge this cell as one would judge a LENR cell; it is a different beast altogether and requires study
Re: [Vo]:E Mallove: LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A Crisis Within a Crisis ???
Like Mike, I also hope Mills will cut the way for CIHT from milliwatts to Megawatts during my lifetime. Peter. On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Mike Carrell mi...@medleas.com wrote: Over the years, I have learned to read Mills’ very carefully. The present website is a milestone on a road ahead. His policy has been to publish his progress while building and protecting BLP’s patent position. I see hints of more tricks in the CIHT technology. He is at a point of establishing the CIHT technology,, but what the validators did and reported is not a commercial product. A **domestic** product has to be like a water heater, buy-and-forget. One of the validators is from a company that makes high performance insulation; their report is worth reading. How the module in started, and how it performs with a intermittent household load, is not obvious yet from the website. Mills is an extraordinarily brilliant man who has thought through these matters. There is list ‘Society for Classical Physics’ which Mills monitors and gives terse response to sensible questions. ** ** All Mills’ work will be a footnote unless the BLP technology is applied worldwide. Eventually there will be utility-scale projects and cars going over a thousand miles on a liter of water. The 1.5 kW module will power homes in a good part of the world, and does not have to qualify as a ‘public utility’; it is a brilliant stroke. Eventually petroleum for fuel will become obsolete [it is really too valuable o burn]; nuclear will be obsolete; ‘solar’ will be obsolete’ ‘wind’ will be obsolete; economic and political structures based on the control of energy sources will become irrelevant. With unlimited, heap, safe energy we can recycle everything and desalinate the oceans for drinking water and irrigation. The CIHT technology is scalable; eventually it will power tools and toys. ** ** Mike Carrell ** ** *From:* David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] *Sent:* Monday, November 26, 2012 4:12 PM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:E Mallove: LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A Crisis Within a Crisis ??? ** ** Thanks for the explanation for the site structure. I would like very much to see this technology advance as it would be idea to power automobiles for example if the energy density is adequate and can be extracted quickly. The requirement for elevated operating temperature gives me pause. I have the suspicion that energy can be stolen from the heating source and delivered to the test load unless some means is used to take into account the energy required as heat. ** ** The Blacklight device will have to compete with the other energy systems if it is to be successful, and I am attempting to hold it to the same standards as are applied to the others. With that in mind, I have to assume that anything that has not been demonstrated as a total system could be vaporware. A convincing test would be one where the heat required to operate the device is self supplied. ** ** Can I assume that the original heat required to jump start the device must be supplied by a conventional battery? If this is true, then I would hope that the input heat energy is a small portion to that soon supplied by the device. I am thinking of a car propulsion system. ** ** Dave -Original Message- From: Mike Carrell mi...@medleas.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Nov 26, 2012 3:29 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:E Mallove: LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A Crisis Within a Crisis ??? Admittedly, the current BLP website might be confusing to one who has not been following Mills’ work. I have, yet it takes me a bit of work too. It might help to understand that the website is a set of ‘lab notes’, the latest in a series decades long. It establisher continuing ‘reduction practice’ of the discoveries contained in the massive Grand Unified Theory of classical Physics, which is a free download from the website. Read carefully the ‘Validation’. Six competent observers were independently given a briefing by Mills, and then assembled a small test ell and tested it with instruments whose calibrations were traceable to national standards. The data tables are available on the website. For these test cells, the energy gain is in the low multiples and the net power low, like a flashlight battery. But the cells run for months. One of the observers extrapolated the potential power density to the kW/liter range, but practical considerations, now being explored, may point to a lower level. A 10 watt ‘battery’ has been achieved, with 100 watts a target for 2012 and 1.5 kW next year. The current capacity is proportional to the area of the cell lamina, and the voltage proportional to the number of cell laminas in a stack. The water vapor [gas] must permeate the whole stack to realize maximum output. The cell operates at 450C to liquefy
Re: [Vo]:E Mallove: LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A Crisis Within a Crisis ???
Mike Carrell mi...@medleas.com wrote: He is at a point of establishing the CIHT technology,, but what the validators did and reported is not a commercial product. He has been at the point of doing something for the last 20 years. I get sick of hearing this. I stopped paying attention to him long ago. I am fed up with Rossi and Defkalion as well. Cold fusion researchers are also slow to make progress but at least they are independently replicated. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:E Mallove: LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A Crisis Within a Crisis ???
For those, like Jed, who have watched the unfolding of the BLP/Rossi/Defkalion saga... some of it having gone on now for 20 years or more, it is understandable that many of them express doubt and frustration. Perhaps cynicism is an even better description to use here. Personally, I see incremental progress, but I freely admit the possibility that I might be looking through rose tinted glasses. (Wishful thinking on my part.) I am left the the feeling that all of the above mentioned organizations have been working with a mysterious technology that nobody really understands for which they hope can soon be exploited in the form of a popular commercial product... something akin to what Mr. Carrell recently mentioned - like a water heater sold at Sears. Obviously, nothing of the sort is even close to rolling off the assembly line at any of these organizations. Actually, BLP is more of a licensing company as compared to a manufacturing facility, so they would never develop a commercial product - just the rights to use the technology. Lately, it would seem to be BLP's turn to once again step up to the podium and make some bold claims... something akin to revealing a 100 watt prototype - soon. Later, I gather BLP claims they hope to assemble a kilowatt prototype for public scrutiny, perhaps sometime before the end of 2013... or was that 2014. Meanwhile, it is understandable that many cynical old-timers are prone to categorically state the fact that similar predictions have been made before. Indeed, they have. So, Is there really anything truly different this time around? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:E Mallove: LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A Crisis Within a Crisis ???
at least Defkalion with nelson can claim few hundred watt with good control 2012/11/27 OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com For those, like Jed, who have watched the unfolding of the BLP/Rossi/Defkalion saga... some of it having gone on now for 20 years or more, it is understandable that many of them express doubt and frustration. Perhaps cynicism is an even better description to use here. Personally, I see incremental progress, but I freely admit the possibility that I might be looking through rose tinted glasses. (Wishful thinking on my part.) I am left the the feeling that all of the above mentioned organizations have been working with a mysterious technology that nobody really understands for which they hope can soon be exploited in the form of a popular commercial product... something akin to what Mr. Carrell recently mentioned - like a water heater sold at Sears. Obviously, nothing of the sort is even close to rolling off the assembly line at any of these organizations. Actually, BLP is more of a licensing company as compared to a manufacturing facility, so they would never develop a commercial product - just the rights to use the technology. Lately, it would seem to be BLP's turn to once again step up to the podium and make some bold claims... something akin to revealing a 100 watt prototype - soon. Later, I gather BLP claims they hope to assemble a kilowatt prototype for public scrutiny, perhaps sometime before the end of 2013... or was that 2014. Meanwhile, it is understandable that many cynical old-timers are prone to categorically state the fact that similar predictions have been made before. Indeed, they have. So, Is there really anything truly different this time around? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:E Mallove: LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A Crisis Within a Crisis ???
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: at least Defkalion with nelson can claim few hundred watt with good control I have not seen hard data from them. I mean quantitative information: instrument make and model, margin of error, power in, flow rate, temperatures, etc. Their presentation at ICCF17 was mainly new-age generalities, sort of like what the Correas present. I have no use for that. I want technical details. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:E Mallove: LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A Crisis Within a Crisis ???
I wrote: at least Defkalion with nelson can claim few hundred watt with good control I have not seen hard data from them. I mean quantitative information: instrument make and model, margin of error, power in, flow rate . . It may be that I have overlooked something they published. I confess I have not looked carefully. I quickly lost interest in the ICCF17 presentation. As I said, it is not the sort of lecture I want to hear. To my taste, the best presentations in cold fusion are made by Ed Storms, Mike McKubre, Mel Miles and Pam Boss. Pam in particular gets right to the point. She says exactly what needs to be said, with all the details you need to make a convincing case, and not a word wasted. More like an engineer than a scientist. That's a good thing. When Storms or McKubre give a presentation, you can make an audio recording, transcribe it, and voila -- you have a paper. Not many people have the ability to talk in complete sentences, arranged in organized paragraphs. Gene Mallove could also do that. I myself stick to writing everything down and reading it verbatim. I don't do extemporaneous. Someone wants me to do one of these local TED talks. I said fine, but none of this wandering around the stage nonsense. Give me a podium and a mic. Haven't heard back. I have a low regard for TED talks. Here is an Onion News sendup version of a TED talk, which sounds so much like the real thing, the irony may be lost: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=DkGMY63FF3Q Speaking of the Onion, they punked the Chinese People's Daily into believing one of their stories: Kim Jong-Un Named The Onion's Sexiest Man Alive For 2012 [UPDATE] http://www.theonion.com/articles/kim-jongun-named-the-onions-sexiest-man-alive-for,30379/ Either the People's Daily believed it to be real, or they have a sense of humor heretofore unseen. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:E Mallove: LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A Crisis Within a Crisis ???
if confirmed, great news. I've computed that with reactors similar to Hyperion and E-cat, the greatest cost is in heat to mechanic conversion, where best cost is very big turbines (500$/kW at 100MWe, to compare to 2000$/MW at 10kWe)... If there is no conversion to do, keeping the low cost of LENR... thats a festival. 8) I'm curious about the principle of that direct conversion, since it does not look like the other numerous LENR experiments (other electrolytic cells produce heat, not electricity)... The principle seems described here http://www.blacklightpower.com/technology/ciht-cell/ , yet I don't catch all... It is claimed non nuclear, and if I read well the produced hydrinos are the ashes of the reaction... so more like a super chemical than a LENR ? 2012/11/26 Mike Carrell mi...@medleas.com To Alan sepeda and Vortex who may be interested: ** ** For several years I was a close associate of Gene Mallove and for a while on his board of directors. I wrote a number of articles for Infinite Energy,, on Joseph Newman, Paulo Correa and PAGD, and Arata. Gene pointed me to Randell Mills and Blacklight Power, which I have closely followed for decades. BLP is now scaling up a water-fuel energy cell which produces electricity directly, which no LENR device has done. BLP’s goal is a 1.5 kW power module for domestic use, with an estimated installed cost of $100/kW. BLP is privately financed, with representatives of major financial houses on its board of directors. Details are available on the website, www.blacklightpower.com. I have visited the Correa’s home/lab and seen a demonstration of the PAGD cell working as described in my article. ** ** If any reader here wishes to correspond with me, I will be happy to reciprocate. Mike Carrell ** ** *From:* alain.coetm...@gmail.com [mailto:alain.coetm...@gmail.com] *On Behalf Of *Alain Sepeda *Sent:* Thursday, November 22, 2012 10:45 AM *To:* Vortex List *Subject:* [Vo]:E Mallove: LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A Crisis Within a Crisis ??? ** ** Reading the latest article of ruby carra and the science.or research on LENR http://coldfusionnow.org/science-gov-cold-fusion-lenr-science-power-and-engineering/ I've found that article of Eugene mallove http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2004APS..MARA15006M just the abstract. no reference to it on internet beside that site, and believe me if you dare, not even on lenr-canr.org it is not of the greatest importance, but it might be interesting. does anyone have a copy (maybe the name changed) *Title:* LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A Crisis Within a Crisis *Authors:* Mallove, Eugene F. E.http://adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/author_form?author=Mallove,+Efullauthor=Mallove,%20Eugene%20F.%20E.charset=UTF-8db_key=PHY *Affiliation:* AA(New Energy Foundation, Inc. P.O. Box 2816, Concord, NH 03302-2816, USA) *Publication:* American Physical Society, March Meeting 2004, March 22-26, 2004, Palais des Congres de Montreal, Montreal, Quebec, Canada, MEETING ID: MAR04, abstract #A15.006 *Publication Date:* 03/2004 *Origin:* APS http://www.aps.org *Bibliographic Code:* 2004APS..MARA15006M http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2004APS..MARA15006M*** * Abstract The primary theorists in the field of Cold Fusion/LENR have generally assumed that the excess heat phenomena is commensurate with nuclear ash (such as helium), whether already identified or presumed to be present but not yet found, and moreover that it can be explained by hydrided metal lattice structures acting coherently. Though this was an excellent initial hypothesis, the commensurate nuclear ash hypothesis has not been proved, and appears to be approximately correct in only a few experiments. At the same time, compelling evidence has also emerged for other microphysical sources of energy that were unexpected by accepted physics. The exemplars have been the work Dr. Randell Mills and his colleagues at BlackLight Power Corporation and Dr. Paulo and Alexandra Correa in Canada.This has led to a crisis within a crisis: Neither cold fusion nor Modern Physics will be able to explain the full range of experimental data now available---not even the data within mainstream cold fusion/LENR per se--- by insisting that the fundamental paradigms of Modern Physics are without significant flaw. The present crisis is of magnitude comparable to the Copernican Revolution. Neither Modern Physics nor Cold Fusion/LENR will survive in their present forms when this long delayed revolution has run its course. This Email has been scanned for all viruses by Medford Leas I.T. Department.
RE: [Vo]:E Mallove: LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A Crisis Within a Crisis ???
BLP is distinctly non-nuclear, but rather anew hyper-chemistry. The reactions that convert H atoms to hydrinos release energy in several forms, including intense VUV [vacuum ultraviolet light, 'blacklight']. The chemical reactions in the ell are described in an article on the website. These are complex but result in charge separation so the cell behaves like a fuel cell, but the energy release internally is quite different. Con formation of the cell performance by six different observers is given under the Validation tab. Further outside, unpublished, tests have occurred. The reactions induce H atoms to shrink by a factor of four, releasing some 245 eV per atom, some 200 times the energy needed to separate a H atom from water. Each elemental cell produces a fraction of a volt; the task at hand is to revise a manufacturing process to make an inexpensive battery module containing hundreds of elemental cells. The basic materials are cheap and plentiful. A strong patent base is being built to repay investors. Patents run out and as the technology becomes widely understood and accepted, manufacture of the BLP modules can be widespread. The process is non-polluting and water is for the taking everywhere. I leave the consequences to your sweet dreams. Mike Carrell From: alain.coetm...@gmail.com [mailto:alain.coetm...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Alain Sepeda Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 4:10 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:E Mallove: LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A Crisis Within a Crisis ??? if confirmed, great news. I've computed that with reactors similar to Hyperion and E-cat, the greatest cost is in heat to mechanic conversion, where best cost is very big turbines (500$/kW at 100MWe, to compare to 2000$/MW at 10kWe)... If there is no conversion to do, keeping the low cost of LENR... thats a festival. 8) I'm curious about the principle of that direct conversion, since it does not look like the other numerous LENR experiments (other electrolytic cells produce heat, not electricity)... The principle seems described here http://www.blacklightpower.com/technology/ciht-cell/ , yet I don't catch all... It is claimed non nuclear, and if I read well the produced hydrinos are the ashes of the reaction... so more like a super chemical than a LENR ? 2012/11/26 Mike Carrell mi...@medleas.com To Alan sepeda and Vortex who may be interested: For several years I was a close associate of Gene Mallove and for a while on his board of directors. I wrote a number of articles for Infinite Energy,, on Joseph Newman, Paulo Correa and PAGD, and Arata. Gene pointed me to Randell Mills and Blacklight Power, which I have closely followed for decades. BLP is now scaling up a water-fuel energy cell which produces electricity directly, which no LENR device has done. BLP's goal is a 1.5 kW power module for domestic use, with an estimated installed cost of $100/kW. BLP is privately financed, with representatives of major financial houses on its board of directors. Details are available on the website, www.blacklightpower.com. I have visited the Correa's home/lab and seen a demonstration of the PAGD cell working as described in my article. If any reader here wishes to correspond with me, I will be happy to reciprocate. Mike Carrell From: alain.coetm...@gmail.com [mailto:alain.coetm...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Alain Sepeda Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 10:45 AM To: Vortex List Subject: [Vo]:E Mallove: LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A Crisis Within a Crisis ??? Reading the latest article of ruby carra and the science.or research on LENR http://coldfusionnow.org/science-gov-cold-fusion-lenr-science-power-and-engi neering/ I've found that article of Eugene mallove http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2004APS..MARA15006M just the abstract. no reference to it on internet beside that site, and believe me if you dare, not even on lenr-canr.org it is not of the greatest importance, but it might be interesting. does anyone have a copy (maybe the name changed) Title: LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A Crisis Within a Crisis Authors: Mallove, http://adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/author_form?author=Mallove,+Efullauthor= Mallove,%20Eugene%20F.%20E.charset=UTF-8db_key=PHY Eugene F. E. Affiliation: AA(New Energy Foundation, Inc. P.O. Box 2816, Concord, NH 03302-2816, USA) Publication: American Physical Society, March Meeting 2004, March 22-26, 2004, Palais des Congres de Montreal, Montreal, Quebec, Canada, MEETING ID: MAR04, abstract #A15.006 Publication Date: 03/2004 Origin: APS http://www.aps.org Bibliographic Code: 2004APS..MARA15006M http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2004APS..MARA15006M Abstract The primary theorists in the field of Cold Fusion/LENR have generally assumed that the excess heat phenomena is commensurate with nuclear ash (such as helium), whether already identified or presumed to be present
Re: [Vo]:E Mallove: LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A Crisis Within a Crisis ???
Hi Mike, I realize that crystal ball gazing is a precarious profession, particularly when one takes into consideration the fact that Mr. Murphy often has a nasty tendency of paying unexpected visits to the RD lab. Nevertheless, have you acquired any kind of a feeling as to when BLP might have a small CIHT prototype up and running for public scrutiny? I seem to recall a rumor that possibly later in 2013 BLP might actually have such an animal on display. Your thoughts? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:E Mallove: LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A Crisis Within a Crisis ???
I took a quick look at the Blacklight web site and came away a little confused. Perhaps someone can help explain the currently observed excess power to drive power ratio in clear terms. Exactly how much excess power is being produced with the current technology at what level of input drive? I recall that milliwatts were all that is presently available as excess output while it is anticipated that much more will be possible with further development. Is this correct? Has a 1.5 kilowatt output device prototype been constructed as of today?If not, what is the highest excess output power seen in prototypes thus far? What is the required drive level to achieve the measured output level? I am seeking accurate and direct answers to these questions. Please do not respond with assumed future performance. Dave -Original Message- From: Mike Carrell mi...@medleas.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Nov 26, 2012 9:29 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:E Mallove: LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A Crisis Within a Crisis ??? BLP is distinctly non-nuclear, but rather anew hyper-chemistry. The reactions that convert H atoms to hydrinos release energy in several forms, including intense VUV [vacuum ultraviolet light, ‘blacklight’]. The chemical reactions in the ell are described in an article on the website. These are complex but result in charge separation so the cell behaves like a fuel cell, but the energy release internally is quite different. Con formation of the cell performance by six different observers is given under the “Validation” tab. Further outside, unpublished, tests have occurred. The reactions induce H atoms to shrink by a factor of four, releasing some 245 eV per atom, some 200 times the energy needed to separate a H atom from water. Each elemental cell produces a fraction of a volt; the task at hand is to revise a manufacturing process to make an inexpensive battery module containing hundreds of elemental cells. The basic materials are cheap and plentiful. A strong patent base is being built to repay investors. Patents run out and as the technology becomes widely understood and accepted, manufacture of the BLP modules can be widespread. The process is non-polluting and water is for the taking everywhere. I leave the consequences to your sweet dreams. Mike Carrell From: alain.coetm...@gmail.com [mailto:alain.coetm...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Alain Sepeda Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 4:10 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:E Mallove: LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A Crisis Within a Crisis ??? if confirmed, great news. I've computed that with reactors similar to Hyperion and E-cat, the greatest cost is in heat to mechanic conversion, where best cost is very big turbines (500$/kW at 100MWe, to compare to 2000$/MW at 10kWe)... If there is no conversion to do, keeping the low cost of LENR... thats a festival. 8) I'm curious about the principle of that direct conversion, since it does not look like the other numerous LENR experiments (other electrolytic cells produce heat, not electricity)... The principle seems described here http://www.blacklightpower.com/technology/ciht-cell/ , yet I don't catch all... It is claimed non nuclear, and if I read well the produced hydrinos are the ashes of the reaction... so more like a super chemical than a LENR ? 2012/11/26 Mike Carrell mi...@medleas.com To Alan sepeda and Vortex who may be interested: For several years I was a close associate of Gene Mallove and for a while on his board of directors. I wrote a number of articles for Infinite Energy,, on Joseph Newman, Paulo Correa and PAGD, and Arata. Gene pointed me to Randell Mills and Blacklight Power, which I have closely followed for decades. BLP is now scaling up a water-fuel energy cell which produces electricity directly, which no LENR device has done. BLP’s goal is a 1.5 kW power module for domestic use, with an estimated installed cost of $100/kW. BLP is privately financed, with representatives of major financial houses on its board of directors. Details are available on the website, www.blacklightpower.com. I have visited the Correa’s home/lab and seen a demonstration of the PAGD cell working as described in my article. If any reader here wishes to correspond with me, I will be happy to reciprocate. Mike Carrell From: alain.coetm...@gmail.com [mailto:alain.coetm...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Alain Sepeda Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 10:45 AM To: Vortex List Subject: [Vo]:E Mallove: LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A Crisis Within a Crisis ??? Reading the latest article of ruby carra and the science.or research on LENR http://coldfusionnow.org/science-gov-cold-fusion-lenr-science-power-and-engineering/ I've found that article of Eugene mallove http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2004APS..MARA15006M just the abstract. no reference to it on internet beside that site, and believe me if you
RE: [Vo]:E Mallove: LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A Crisis Within a Crisis ???
Admittedly, the current BLP website might be confusing to one who has not been following Mills’ work. I have, yet it takes me a bit of work too. It might help to understand that the website is a set of ‘lab notes’, the latest in a series decades long. It establisher continuing ‘reduction practice’ of the discoveries contained in the massive Grand Unified Theory of classical Physics, which is a free download from the website. Read carefully the ‘Validation’. Six competent observers were independently given a briefing by Mills, and then assembled a small test ell and tested it with instruments whose calibrations were traceable to national standards. The data tables are available on the website. For these test cells, the energy gain is in the low multiples and the net power low, like a flashlight battery. But the cells run for months. One of the observers extrapolated the potential power density to the kW/liter range, but practical considerations, now being explored, may point to a lower level. A 10 watt ‘battery’ has been achieved, with 100 watts a target for 2012 and 1.5 kW next year. The current capacity is proportional to the area of the cell lamina, and the voltage proportional to the number of cell laminas in a stack. The water vapor [gas] must permeate the whole stack to realize maximum output. The cell operates at 450C to liquefy some lithium compounds as conductors, and the cell must be well insulated against heat loss; the energy to initiaed the operation is not part of the energy budget. Do not judge this cell as one would judge a LENR cell; it is a different beast altogether and requires study on its own terms. Mike Carell From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 11:09 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:E Mallove: LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A Crisis Within a Crisis ??? I took a quick look at the Blacklight web site and came away a little confused. Perhaps someone can help explain the currently observed excess power to drive power ratio in clear terms. Exactly how much excess power is being produced with the current technology at what level of input drive? I recall that milliwatts were all that is presently available as excess output while it is anticipated that much more will be possible with further development. Is this correct? Has a 1.5 kilowatt output device prototype been constructed as of today?If not, what is the highest excess output power seen in prototypes thus far? What is the required drive level to achieve the measured output level? I am seeking accurate and direct answers to these questions. Please do not respond with assumed future performance. Dave -Original Message- From: Mike Carrell mi...@medleas.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Nov 26, 2012 9:29 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:E Mallove: LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A Crisis Within a Crisis ??? BLP is distinctly non-nuclear, but rather anew hyper-chemistry. The reactions that convert H atoms to hydrinos release energy in several forms, including intense VUV [vacuum ultraviolet light, ‘blacklight’]. The chemical reactions in the ell are described in an article on the website. These are complex but result in charge separation so the cell behaves like a fuel cell, but the energy release internally is quite different. Con formation of the cell performance by six different observers is given under the “Validation” tab. Further outside, unpublished, tests have occurred. The reactions induce H atoms to shrink by a factor of four, releasing some 245 eV per atom, some 200 times the energy needed to separate a H atom from water. Each elemental cell produces a fraction of a volt; the task at hand is to revise a manufacturing process to make an inexpensive battery module containing hundreds of elemental cells. The basic materials are cheap and plentiful. A strong patent base is being built to repay investors. Patents run out and as the technology becomes widely understood and accepted, manufacture of the BLP modules can be widespread. The process is non-polluting and water is for the taking everywhere. I leave the consequences to your sweet dreams. Mike Carrell From: alain.coetm...@gmail.com [mailto:alain.coetm...@gmail.com mailto:alain.coetm...@gmail.com? ] On Behalf Of Alain Sepeda Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 4:10 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:E Mallove: LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A Crisis Within a Crisis ??? if confirmed, great news. I've computed that with reactors similar to Hyperion and E-cat, the greatest cost is in heat to mechanic conversion, where best cost is very big turbines (500$/kW at 100MWe, to compare to 2000$/MW at 10kWe)... If there is no conversion to do, keeping the low cost of LENR... thats a festival. 8) I'm curious about the principle of that direct conversion, since it does not look like
Re: [Vo]:E Mallove: LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A Crisis Within a Crisis ???
Thanks for the explanation for the site structure. I would like very much to see this technology advance as it would be idea to power automobiles for example if the energy density is adequate and can be extracted quickly. The requirement for elevated operating temperature gives me pause. I have the suspicion that energy can be stolen from the heating source and delivered to the test load unless some means is used to take into account the energy required as heat. The Blacklight device will have to compete with the other energy systems if it is to be successful, and I am attempting to hold it to the same standards as are applied to the others. With that in mind, I have to assume that anything that has not been demonstrated as a total system could be vaporware. A convincing test would be one where the heat required to operate the device is self supplied. Can I assume that the original heat required to jump start the device must be supplied by a conventional battery? If this is true, then I would hope that the input heat energy is a small portion to that soon supplied by the device. I am thinking of a car propulsion system. Dave -Original Message- From: Mike Carrell mi...@medleas.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Nov 26, 2012 3:29 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:E Mallove: LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A Crisis Within a Crisis ??? Admittedly, the current BLP website might be confusing to one who has not been following Mills’ work. I have, yet it takes me a bit of work too. It might help to understand that the website is a set of ‘lab notes’, the latest in a series decades long. It establisher continuing ‘reduction practice’ of the discoveries contained in the massive Grand Unified Theory of classical Physics, which is a free download from the website. Read carefully the ‘Validation’. Six competent observers were independently given a briefing by Mills, and then assembled a small test ell and tested it with instruments whose calibrations were traceable to national standards. The data tables are available on the website. For these test cells, the energy gain is in the low multiples and the net power low, like a flashlight battery. But the cells run for months. One of the observers extrapolated the potential power density to the kW/liter range, but practical considerations, now being explored, may point to a lower level. A 10 watt ‘battery’ has been achieved, with 100 watts a target for 2012 and 1.5 kW next year. The current capacity is proportional to the area of the cell lamina, and the voltage proportional to the number of cell laminas in a stack. The water vapor [gas] must permeate the whole stack to realize maximum output. The cell operates at 450C to liquefy some lithium compounds as conductors, and the cell must be well insulated against heat loss; the energy to initiaed the operation is not part of the energy budget. Do not judge this cell as one would judge a LENR cell; it is a different beast altogether and requires study on its own terms. Mike Carell From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 11:09 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:E Mallove: LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A Crisis Within a Crisis ??? I took a quick look at the Blacklight web site and came away a little confused. Perhaps someone can help explain the currently observed excess power to drive power ratio in clear terms. Exactly how much excess power is being produced with the current technology at what level of input drive? I recall that milliwatts were all that is presently available as excess output while it is anticipated that much more will be possible with further development. Is this correct? Has a 1.5 kilowatt output device prototype been constructed as of today?If not, what is the highest excess output power seen in prototypes thus far? What is the required drive level to achieve the measured output level? I am seeking accurate and direct answers to these questions. Please do not respond with assumed future performance. Dave -Original Message- From: Mike Carrell mi...@medleas.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Nov 26, 2012 9:29 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:E Mallove: LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A Crisis Within a Crisis ??? BLP is distinctly non-nuclear, but rather anew hyper-chemistry. The reactions that convert H atoms to hydrinos release energy in several forms, including intense VUV [vacuum ultraviolet light, ‘blacklight’]. The chemical reactions in the ell are described in an article on the website. These are complex but result in charge separation so the cell behaves like a fuel cell, but the energy release internally is quite different. Con formation of the cell performance by six different observers is given under the “Validation” tab. Further outside, unpublished, tests have occurred. The reactions induce H atoms
RE: [Vo]:E Mallove: LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A Crisis Within a Crisis ???
To Alan sepeda and Vortex who may be interested: For several years I was a close associate of Gene Mallove and for a while on his board of directors. I wrote a number of articles for Infinite Energy,, on Joseph Newman, Paulo Correa and PAGD, and Arata. Gene pointed me to Randell Mills and Blacklight Power, which I have closely followed for decades. BLP is now scaling up a water-fuel energy cell which produces electricity directly, which no LENR device has done. BLP's goal is a 1.5 kW power module for domestic use, with an estimated installed cost of $100/kW. BLP is privately financed, with representatives of major financial houses on its board of directors. Details are available on the website, www.blacklightpower.com. I have visited the Correa's home/lab and seen a demonstration of the PAGD cell working as described in my article. If any reader here wishes to correspond with me, I will be happy to reciprocate. Mike Carrell From: alain.coetm...@gmail.com [mailto:alain.coetm...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Alain Sepeda Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 10:45 AM To: Vortex List Subject: [Vo]:E Mallove: LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A Crisis Within a Crisis ??? Reading the latest article of ruby carra and the science.or research on LENR http://coldfusionnow.org/science-gov-cold-fusion-lenr-science-power-and-engi neering/ I've found that article of Eugene mallove http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2004APS..MARA15006M just the abstract. no reference to it on internet beside that site, and believe me if you dare, not even on lenr-canr.org it is not of the greatest importance, but it might be interesting. does anyone have a copy (maybe the name changed) Title: LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A Crisis Within a Crisis Authors: Mallove, http://adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/author_form?author=Mallove,+Efullauthor= Mallove,%20Eugene%20F.%20E.charset=UTF-8db_key=PHY Eugene F. E. Affiliation: AA(New Energy Foundation, Inc. P.O. Box 2816, Concord, NH 03302-2816, USA) Publication: American Physical Society, March Meeting 2004, March 22-26, 2004, Palais des Congres de Montreal, Montreal, Quebec, Canada, MEETING ID: MAR04, abstract #A15.006 Publication Date: 03/2004 Origin: APS http://www.aps.org Bibliographic Code: 2004APS..MARA15006M http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2004APS..MARA15006M Abstract The primary theorists in the field of Cold Fusion/LENR have generally assumed that the excess heat phenomena is commensurate with nuclear ash (such as helium), whether already identified or presumed to be present but not yet found, and moreover that it can be explained by hydrided metal lattice structures acting coherently. Though this was an excellent initial hypothesis, the commensurate nuclear ash hypothesis has not been proved, and appears to be approximately correct in only a few experiments. At the same time, compelling evidence has also emerged for other microphysical sources of energy that were unexpected by accepted physics. The exemplars have been the work Dr. Randell Mills and his colleagues at BlackLight Power Corporation and Dr. Paulo and Alexandra Correa in Canada.This has led to a crisis within a crisis: Neither cold fusion nor Modern Physics will be able to explain the full range of experimental data now available---not even the data within mainstream cold fusion/LENR per se--- by insisting that the fundamental paradigms of Modern Physics are without significant flaw. The present crisis is of magnitude comparable to the Copernican Revolution. Neither Modern Physics nor Cold Fusion/LENR will survive in their present forms when this long delayed revolution has run its course. This Email has been scanned for all viruses by Medford Leas I.T. Department.
