Re: [Vo]:Hydrino validation?

2021-06-21 Thread Robin
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Mon, 21 Jun 2021 02:55:57 -0400: Hi, [snip] >Robin >Anti matter means gamma radiation. Where is the gamma radiation? Have they stated that it doesn't exist? Have they even looked for it? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk

Re: [Vo]:Hydrino validation?

2021-06-21 Thread Axil Axil
Robin Anti matter means gamma radiation. Where is the gamma radiation? On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 5:37 PM Robin wrote: > In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sun, 20 Jun 2021 15:47:20 + > (UTC): > Hi, > [snip] > > >

Re: [Vo]:Hydrino validation?

2021-06-20 Thread Robin
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sun, 20 Jun 2021 15:47:20 + (UTC): Hi, [snip]

Re: [Vo]:Hydrino validation?

2021-06-20 Thread Jones Beene
Yes - The lack of clarity about what is being produced does not inspire confidence for the Norront investors. However, in that confused situation - if the annihilation particles are actual, whatever they are, and do indeed catalyze deuterium fusion, as they claim -- then we are still on the

Re: [Vo]:Hydrino validation?

2021-06-20 Thread Axil Axil
Did you see this video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZHVG5NYLyQ Holmlid's replicators cannot identify the particles that Holmlid claims to be seeing. Also. the particles that show up in the cloud chamber happen to be strange radiation. On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 11:47 AM Jones Beene wrote: >

Re: [Vo]:Hydrino validation?

2021-06-20 Thread Jones Beene
This chart could lead to an interesting experiment - see Fig 4 of the paper below, which relates to the desorption energy of K at a graphite surface. Imagine a few drops of water on a graphite plate -- H2O containing dissolved KCl -- and irradiated in an oven. Sparks may fly as water is split

Re: [Vo]:Hydrino validation?

2021-06-18 Thread Axil Axil
Regarding: "contamination" The elimination of the possibility of contamination is why I posted above in this thread to Michael Foster to pretest for sodium in the potassium salt contamination before Mike ran the microwave test. I posted to Mike as follows: Mike: There may be transmutation of

Re: [Vo]:Hydrino validation?

2021-06-18 Thread Jones Beene
Invoking a nebulous QM effect to explain a macro phenomenon is not really useful. All I see here is that you have proposed an imaginary explanation with little relevance to large scale activity in the real-world. Feynman would balk at this mis-interpretation of his ideas. If there is to be

Re: [Vo]:Hydrino validation?

2021-06-17 Thread Axil Axil
See my post above on this thread at Jun 12, 2021, 12:04 AM (5 days ago) Transmutation never produces any particles, radiation or energy is not knowable because of quantum mechanical superposition and Feynman's Infinite Quantum Paths theory. The state of superposition is

Re: [Vo]:Hydrino validation?

2021-06-17 Thread Jones Beene
Axil, Wouldn't that kind of transmutation involve releasing two alphas from the K nucleus ? AFAIK that would be unknown to physics ... or what kind or reaction are you suggesting? Axil Axil wrote: The sodium lines seen in the grape microwave experiment may have come from transmutation of

Re: [Vo]:Hydrino validation?

2021-06-17 Thread Axil Axil
The sodium lines seen in the grape microwave experiment may have come from transmutation of potassium into sodium, Grapes don't contain much sodium: 2mg vs, 176mg per cup On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 5:38 PM Jones Beene wrote: > The sparking phenomenon of KCl is partially explained by the "plasma >

Re: [Vo]:Hydrino validation?

2021-06-17 Thread Jones Beene
The sparking phenomenon of KCl is partially explained by the "plasma grape" phenomenon, especially since grapes contain potassium and sodium. Here is a video of the grape effect - which goes part of the way to explain the more general case, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCrtk-pyP0I At

Re: [Vo]:Hydrino validation?

2021-06-15 Thread Robin
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Tue, 15 Jun 2021 22:45:37 + (UTC): Hi, [snip] >I like the sound of "something strange going on." >Heck, it might be worthwhile to try various mixtures of KCl and NaCl to see if >there is an obvious particular ratio where the sparking is maximized. >Mills

Re: [Vo]:Hydrino validation?

2021-06-15 Thread Jones Beene
Potassium atoms are strongly sensitive to a magnetic field. This could relate to what is happening in the experiment where microwave radiation is applied to KCl  (at least in the sense of ultra strong coupling to the gigahertz waves from the oven.) The most sensitive magnetometer available ,

Re: [Vo]:Hydrino validation?

2021-06-15 Thread Michael Foster
Sorry Jones, I have no way to detect UV spectral lines with this setup. Even though the 1500 l/mm diffraction grating I used can pass UV wavelenghts down to about 255 nm it's unlikely they would get through the soda-lime glass jar and the microwave oven door. 27.2 eV and 13.6 eV are way into

Re: [Vo]:Hydrino validation?

2021-06-15 Thread Jones Beene
I like the sound of "something strange going on." Heck, it might be worthwhile to try various mixtures of KCl and NaCl to see if there is an obvious particular ratio where the sparking is maximized. Mills uses a pinhole technique for finding UV where he actually drills a sub-mm hole into the

Re: [Vo]:Hydrino validation?

2021-06-15 Thread Axil Axil
Mike: There may be transmutation of potassium to sodium going on. The cessation of the sparking before all the water boils off may indicate that the majority of the potassium has been transmuted to sodium since the potassium carries the reaction and sodium does not. Initially in order to

Re: [Vo]:Hydrino validation?

2021-06-11 Thread Axil Axil
Transmutation is NOT gainful. The reaction occurs in a coherent environment that is in a state of superposition. Any energy that would be produced is not realized and is placed in the cosmic trash can by quantum mechanics. This assertion is shown here

Re: [Vo]:Hydrino validation?

2021-06-11 Thread Jones Beene
Worth mentioning is this - the experiment using radiation in the radio wave spectrum to excite an alkali dissolved in water is similar to the device invented by John Kanzius. This invention was initially used to treat cancer but could also split water and ignite the gas in a flame, which was

Re: [Vo]:Hydrino validation?

2021-06-11 Thread Robin
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Fri, 11 Jun 2021 21:30:50 + (UTC): Hi, You wouldn't see UV with a prism anyway. The glass absorbs the UV. >Most interesting, Michael.  It would be even more so (to Mills' investors :-)  >... if there had been some of the Mills' UV lines as predicted -

Re: [Vo]:Hydrino validation?

2021-06-11 Thread Michael Foster
I tried this and it looks really kewl indeed. The potassium chloride I used was pure enough that if you do a simple flame test, you don't get any of that yellow-orange sodium color. I watched the sparking with a 1500 lpm diffraction grating and the double D lines of sodium are way too bright

Re: [Vo]:Hydrino validation?

2021-06-11 Thread Jones Beene
Most interesting, Michael.  It would be even more so (to Mills' investors :-)  ... if there had been some of the Mills' UV lines as predicted - 27.2 eV , 13.6 eV and so on. Did you see any UV lines at all? Michael Foster wrote: I tried this and it looks really kewl indeed. The potassium

Re: [Vo]:Hydrino validation?

2021-06-11 Thread Jürg Wyttenbach
Here a good summary of Klimov's research that is much more serious than R.Mills https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1742-6596/1698/1/012034/pdf He is talking of Hybrid atoms like NiH* that already Dufour mentioned (he did show spectra) in Asti. J.W. On 11.06.2021 22:23, Michael

Re: [Vo]:Hydrino validation?

2021-06-09 Thread Axil Axil
https://www.slideshare.net/exopolitika/egely-gyrgy-nano-dust-fusion-40pages George Elely - nanodust fusion documents his experements. On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 11:29 PM Axil Axil wrote: > If memory serves, they ran a EDX on the processed carbon and iron was > detected. Anyway, George Egely has

Re: [Vo]:Hydrino validation?

2021-06-09 Thread Axil Axil
If memory serves, they ran a EDX on the processed carbon and iron was detected. Anyway, George Egely has rum many microwave based experiments where transmutation was preduced. George Egely - On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 11:23 PM Jones Beene wrote: > There is no fusion taking place in this video. No

Re: [Vo]:Hydrino validation?

2021-06-09 Thread Jones Beene
There is no fusion taking place in this video. No transmutation either. There is a mundane explanation for the magnetism. Axil Axilwrote: Dr George Egely  generates transmutation using a microwave. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms411WCBEZk

Re: [Vo]:Hydrino validation?

2021-06-09 Thread Axil Axil
By the way, if any transmutation is occuring, then the experiment is not related to the Hydrino since that theory disavows any transmutation. On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 11:14 PM Axil Axil wrote: > Dr George Egely generates transmutation using a microwave. > >

Re: [Vo]:Hydrino validation?

2021-06-09 Thread Axil Axil
Dr George Egely generates transmutation using a microwave. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms411WCBEZk Regarding: "The odd thing is that I evap't a beaker of about 600ml of KCl (heated to boiling for about 10 mins) and I didn't see anything happen then. I stopped before the amount of liquid

Re: [Vo]:Hydrino validation?

2021-06-09 Thread Jones Beene
Hope it is at least a kilowatt oven as high power may be important... Terry Blanton  wrote: FWIW - I ran across a simple experiment while looking around for a science fair project for a neighbor's son ... Kewl.  I think I still have the old microwave in the basement that I used to make

Re: [Vo]:Hydrino validation?

2021-06-09 Thread Jones Beene
Once formed, the EVO could possibly be pumped with energy from microwaves or other forms of radiation --but--  AFAIK the actual formation of the EVO itself takes place only on a "special" electrode, which actually is the key to Shoulder's work (and former trade secret). Sounds like someone may

Re: [Vo]:Hydrino validation?

2021-06-09 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 9:30 PM Jones Beene wrote: > FWIW - I ran across a simple experiment while looking around for a science > fair project for a neighbor's son ... > Kewl. I think I still have the old microwave in the basement that I used to make ball lightning using a candle. I'll give it

Re: [Vo]:Hydrino validation?

2021-06-09 Thread Axil Axil
Microwaves delever energy to the EVOs "wirelessly" (without electodes). If you need references to beleive this I will supply some. On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 10:34 PM Jones Beene wrote: > AFAIK the EVO would necessarily form on an electrode - but there isn't any > corresponding electrode in this

Re: [Vo]:Hydrino validation?

2021-06-09 Thread Jones Beene
AFAIK the EVO would necessarily form on an electrode - but there isn't any corresponding electrode in this experiment unless I missed something. Axil Axil wrote: This could be related to the way potassium generates clusters of Rydberg matter as per Holmlid and catalyzes the production

Re: [Vo]:Hydrino validation?

2021-06-09 Thread Axil Axil
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Re: [Vo]:Hydrino validation?

2021-06-09 Thread Axil Axil
This could be related to the way potassium generates clusters of Rydberg matter as per Holmlid and catalyzes the production of EVOs. The EVOs grow until the point of instability whereupon they explode in a bosenova. If this is happening, there would be X-rays produced by the bosenova as the high

Re: [Vo]:Hydrino validation?

2021-06-09 Thread Jones Beene
Good question. In the early days Mills focused on potassium as a necessary catalyst for working with nickel electrolysis - and which which we now learn will apparently both split water and produce a plasma with microwave irradiation, while sodium will not. So - this experiment kind of fits into

Re: [Vo]:Hydrino validation?

2021-06-09 Thread Axil Axil
Interesting. What is ypur take about the theory behind the production of sparks? Why Hydrinos? On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 9:30 PM Jones Beene wrote: > FWIW - I ran across a simple experiment while looking around for a science > fair project for a neighbor's son ... > > There are not many