Re: [Vo]:Resonator shaped like a hyperbolic vortex

2020-08-24 Thread Robin
Hi, BTW, it only costs about 0.53 kWh/kg to lift something 200 km above the Earth's surface against gravity. Li-ion cell phone batteries have about half that. However gasoline is about 12-14 kWh/kg, less when you need to take along your own Oxygen. Ideally one would use a small nuclear or

Re: [Vo]:Resonator shaped like a hyperbolic vortex

2020-08-24 Thread Robin
In reply to Sean Logan's message of Mon, 24 Aug 2020 17:29:35 -0700: Hi, [snip] >I find this fascinating and not ridiculous. Are you speaking from personal >experience? I mean, have you operated, or observed the operation, of such >a device? I once tried to make one by using wire wound into

Re: [Vo]:Resonator shaped like a hyperbolic vortex

2020-08-24 Thread Robin
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Tue, 25 Aug 2020 02:19:47 + (UTC): Hi, [snip] >Say, having enough microwave energy to power a drone might mean that they >could also test a hybrid resonant cavity so both things could be going on. I >suppose that it would be possible to design an EM-type

Re: [Vo]:Resonator shaped like a hyperbolic vortex

2020-08-24 Thread Jones Beene
Terry Blanton wrote: > The rumors I heard was that it was testing remotely powered drones using > microwave transmitters and rectennas on the drone to attempt to keep them > aloft indefinitely. Wonder if they were kept any drones aloft for the whole time? Say, having enough microwave energy

Re: [Vo]:Resonator shaped like a hyperbolic vortex

2020-08-24 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 8:37 PM Jones Beene wrote: > Speaking of resonant cavity devices, state secrets and the EM Drive > specifically, there is this: > > > https://www.universetoday.com/143870/x-37b-lands-after-780-days-in-orbit-doing/ > > It is strongly suggested that a prototype EM Drive was

Re: [Vo]:Resonator shaped like a hyperbolic vortex

2020-08-24 Thread Jones Beene
Speaking of resonant cavity devices, state secrets and the EM Drive specifically, there is this: https://www.universetoday.com/143870/x-37b-lands-after-780-days-in-orbit-doing/ It is strongly suggested that a prototype EM Drive was aboard. No comment from officials. Despite the fact that most

Re: [Vo]:Resonator shaped like a hyperbolic vortex

2020-08-24 Thread Sean Logan
> > > Now try to imagine a > place where the aether density is less than in the surrounding space. Well, I know that in a tornado (vortex in air), you get high and low pressure zones. That is why, for example, even though the air is moving in circles parallel with the ground, a house gets

Re: [Vo]:Resonator shaped like a hyperbolic vortex

2020-08-24 Thread Robin
In reply to Sean Logan's message of Mon, 24 Aug 2020 13:35:09 -0700: Hi, [snip] >> >> You might consider adding a mirror image of it along the axis. Wide ends >> together. Maybe then it will generate a >> "hole in the vacuum" >> > >Oh? What is a "hole in the vaccuum?" When all matter has

Re: [Vo]:Resonator shaped like a hyperbolic vortex

2020-08-24 Thread Sean Logan
> > You might consider adding a mirror image of it along the axis. Wide ends > together. Maybe then it will generate a > "hole in the vacuum" > Oh? What is a "hole in the vaccuum?"

Re: [Vo]:Resonator shaped like a hyperbolic vortex

2020-08-24 Thread Robin
In reply to Sean Logan's message of Mon, 24 Aug 2020 12:20:28 -0700: Hi, You might consider adding a mirror image of it along the axis. Wide ends together. Maybe then it will generate a "hole in the vacuum" in the middle? [snip] >Thank you JonesBeene. The thought that the mass of the device

Re: [Vo]:Resonator shaped like a hyperbolic vortex

2020-08-24 Thread Jones Beene
The Wiki listing for "resonant cavity thruster" is a place to start as there are good links to more detail https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RF_resonant_cavity_thruster There is a long thread on Reddit if you have a few days to waste Sean Logan wrote > Can you refer me to some good papers on the

Re: [Vo]:Resonator shaped like a hyperbolic vortex

2020-08-24 Thread Sean Logan
Thank you JonesBeene. The thought that the mass of the device may change under certain conditions had not crossed my mind. Can you refer me to some good papers on the Shawyer truncated cone? Yes, I am familiar with Bird Wattmeters. However, in this experimental setup, nothing is matched to a

RE: [Vo]:Resonator shaped like a hyperbolic vortex

2020-08-24 Thread JonesBeene
Very interesting. The first thought that came to mind when I saw your design, esp with the golden rule geometry -- is that it could be a more favorable wave guide than the Shawyer truncated cone (EM drive) for the purpose of directed thrust using RF. Mabye this is where your are headed but