Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device

2011-09-03 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 02.09.2011 22:04, schrieb Horace Heffner: The above makes no sense to me. Resistor wattage ratings are merely the maximum wattage that can be put though them without the expectation they will be destroyed. The power ratings are not used to compute the power or current through them. If

Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device

2011-09-03 Thread Horace Heffner
On Sep 2, 2011, at 1:17 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: I have attached a jpg of the inside of the controller box. Sure is a rat's nest of wires. Where did you get that? A screen capture from a video? A still image? - Jed Yes. I stopped the

Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device

2011-09-03 Thread Horace Heffner
I wrote: It is also notable that if the neutral and ground are shorted together in the blue box, and the ammeter is clamped on the neutral, that input power estimates could be double that estimated. That should read: It is also notable that if the neutral and ground are shorted together in

Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device

2011-09-03 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 03.09.2011 14:11, schrieb Horace Heffner: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-8QdVwY98E This should be correct because the current IEC 60446 standard is neutral-blue, line-brown, and protective-earth-green/yellow. There appears to be some kind of short white adapter between the wall

Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device

2011-09-03 Thread Horace Heffner
On Sep 3, 2011, at 3:34 AM, Peter Heckert wrote: Am 02.09.2011 22:04, schrieb Horace Heffner: The above makes no sense to me. Resistor wattage ratings are merely the maximum wattage that can be put though them without the expectation they will be destroyed. The power ratings are not

Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device

2011-09-03 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 03.09.2011 14:48, schrieb Horace Heffner: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resistor I have had lots of experience burning out resistors. 8^) I too. Electronics once was my hobby, and still is my day job ;-) Because I repair, test and develop I have seen burned devices of all kinds ;-)

Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device

2011-09-03 Thread Horace Heffner
On Sep 3, 2011, at 4:24 AM, Peter Heckert wrote:Am 03.09.2011 14:11, schrieb Horace Heffner: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-8QdVwY98EThis should be correct because the current IEC60446 standard is neutral-blue,line-brown, and

Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device

2011-09-03 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 03.09.2011 15:23, schrieb Horace Heffner: On Sep 3, 2011, at 4:24 AM, Peter Heckert wrote: Am 03.09.2011 14:11, schrieb Horace Heffner: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-8QdVwY98E This should be correct because the current IEC 60446 standard is neutral-blue, line-brown, and

Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device

2011-09-03 Thread Horace Heffner
On Sep 3, 2011, at 7:06 AM, Peter Heckert wrote: [snip] Thanks for all the good information. There has also been some confusion about the voltage. Sometimes they say 220V and sometimes 230V. This is easily explained: In earlier times some countries in europe used 220V and some used

Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device

2011-09-02 Thread Horace Heffner
There is a pretty good photo by Mats Lewan of the band heater and reactor section here: http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3166552.ece Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/

Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device

2011-09-02 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 04:57 PM 9/1/2011, Horace Heffner wrote: The total power of resisters (in your drawing) at 300 W + 300 W = 600 W seems low. Rossi states in Krivit's film he is using 748 watts, from which I did the following computations: http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/KrivitFilm.pdf In another demo the

Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device

2011-09-02 Thread Horace Heffner
On Sep 2, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Alan J Fletcher wrote: At 04:57 PM 9/1/2011, Horace Heffner wrote: The total power of resisters (in your drawing) at 300 W + 300 W = 600 W seems low. Rossi states in Krivit's film he is using 748 watts, from which I did the following computations:

Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device

2011-09-02 Thread Susan Gipp
The dimmers are commercial ones from an Italian manifacturer. Here the specs http://www.gsei.it/attachs/P020_01.pdf In Italian sorry. Try google translator. 2011/9/2 Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net On Sep 2, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Alan J Fletcher wrote: At 04:57 PM 9/1/2011, Horace

Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device

2011-09-02 Thread Horace Heffner
It would have been so much better to use a variac or multi-tapped transformer to vary power. Then a very cheap meter (under $30) could have been used to monitor both instant power and accumulated kWh. This could have been done for about $100 per power lead into the device. Best

Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device

2011-09-02 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 01:04 PM 9/2/2011, Horace Heffner wrote: So we have either 9+3 : 9/9 * 300W + 3/9 * R2 = (770W - 65W) giving R2 = 1215W and maximum power at 9+9 is 1515W 3+9 : 3/9 * 300W + 9/9 * R2 = (770W - 65W) giving R2 = 605W and maximum power at 9+9 is 905W If we could trace the cables then we could

Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device

2011-09-02 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 01:54 PM 9/2/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote: That was just a first-order calculation. I presumed the maximum wattages are for the same input voltages. You can do the whole V=IR foo if you want to, but you don't know the voltages applied to the resistors or the resistor values themselves.

Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device

2011-09-02 Thread Horace Heffner
On Sep 2, 2011, at 1:14 PM, Alan J Fletcher wrote: At 01:54 PM 9/2/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote: That was just a first-order calculation. I presumed the maximum wattages are for the same input voltages. You can do the whole V=IR foo if you want to, but you don't know the voltages applied

Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device

2011-09-02 Thread Horace Heffner
On Sep 2, 2011, at 1:17 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: I have attached a jpg of the inside of the controller box. Sure is a rat's nest of wires. Where did you get that? A screen capture from a video? A still image? - Jed Yes. I stopped the

Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device

2011-09-02 Thread Horace Heffner
On Sep 2, 2011, at 12:54 PM, Alan J Fletcher wrote: At 01:04 PM 9/2/2011, Horace Heffner wrote: [snip] Gee, if choppers are used this creates transients in the input, and invalidates the use of ordinary current meters or power meters. The current meters in the experiments were on the

Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device

2011-09-01 Thread Joe Catania
I have to question that order, esp the heater abutting the lead. Also I'm not entirely convinced there isn't electrical conduction through the water. - Original Message - From: Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net To: Vortex-L vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011

Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device

2011-09-01 Thread Terry Blanton
Horace, What is unseen remains a matter of conjecture. T On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: This post is just to check my understanding of the supposed structure of the Rossi device. As I understand it, the device elements, in cross section of the

Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device

2011-09-01 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 09:01 AM 9/1/2011, Horace Heffner wrote: This post is just to check my understanding of the supposed structure of the Rossi device. I think that this (speculative!) diagram best shows the location of the heating resistors. http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/37/3724appendixc8.shtml

Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device

2011-09-01 Thread Horace Heffner
On Sep 1, 2011, at 1:07 PM, Alan J Fletcher wrote: At 09:01 AM 9/1/2011, Horace Heffner wrote: This post is just to check my understanding of the supposed structure of the Rossi device. I think that this (speculative!) diagram best shows the location of the heating resistors.