Re: Moving files in Finder

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Peter,

Is your external drive formatted as HFS+ (Mac format) or FAT32 (old PC format)? 

What is the size of the "30 selected jpgs”?


Cheers,
Ronni
On 14/05/2011, at 2:43 PM, Peter Crisp wrote:

> 
> Hi all, I have a continuous problem only mildly annoying but enough to 
> warrant this note. So i have an 500GB external drive in the USB of the 
> Macbook and I have two finder windows open, one looking at the folder on the 
> 500GB external drive, the other looking at the destination folder within the 
> Maxtor 1TB drive attached to the USB of the Time Capsule. So when I drag 30 
> selected jpg files from the 500GB to the 1TB, it usually only gets through 8 
> or 10 of the images where upon I get an error message pop up saying "The 
> operation could not be completed, the file DSCN0123.jpg is in use". so it 
> successfully places the first 8 images sequentially up to the one before the 
> one "in use" but the rest don't copy over.
> 
> I dont know what "in use" means in this context. I don't have iPhoto running 
> when I am moving the files, but this happens repeatedly. so i end up having 
> to manually drag/drop 5 - 8 files at a time. image size is around 3MB each so 
> wirelessly through the Time Capsule takes a bit of time for each drop 
> operation.
> 
> Anyone have any tips on what I might be doing wrong?
> 
> It also used to do this same operation with all images some time ago with no 
> faults, so it can drop as expected.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Peter…
> 










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Moving files in Finder

[Peter Crisp]

Hi all, I have a continuous problem only mildly annoying but enough to warrant 
this note. So i have an 500GB external drive in the USB of the Macbook and I 
have two finder windows open, one looking at the folder on the 500GB external 
drive, the other looking at the destination folder within the Maxtor 1TB drive 
attached to the USB of the Time Capsule. So when I drag 30 selected jpg files 
from the 500GB to the 1TB, it usually only gets through 8 or 10 of the images 
where upon I get an error message pop up saying "The operation could not be 
completed, the file DSCN0123.jpg is in use". so it successfully places the 
first 8 images sequentially up to the one before the one "in use" but the rest 
don't copy over.

I dont know what "in use" means in this context. I don't have iPhoto running 
when I am moving the files, but this happens repeatedly. so i end up having to 
manually drag/drop 5 - 8 files at a time. image size is around 3MB each so 
wirelessly through the Time Capsule takes a bit of time for each drop operation.

Anyone have any tips on what I might be doing wrong?

It also used to do this same operation with all images some time ago with no 
faults, so it can drop as expected.

Thanks

Peter...


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Re: Application Compatibility Wiki for Mac OS X Lion

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Carlo,

How can Daniel’s prediction be a ‘misstatement? Lion has not been released yet!

How about putting your money where you mouth is ;-)

I agree with Daniel’s ‘prediction’ / ‘prognostication’ that we (the General 
Public) won’t be able to purchase Lion OS X 10.7 until after mid-year.
August - September is a good bet … I would put $50 on it ;-)

I know Apple have released a new beta build, dubbed  ‘Developer Preview 3, of 
OS X 10.7 Lion to Developers on Friday.
And, OS X 10.7 will be announced at WWDC in June, but we will not be able to 
purchase it until later.

Cheers,
Ronni

On 14/05/2011, at 1:43 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:

> 
> Hi Carlo
> 
> Um,...no. I was just being vague so as not to restart the "you said, I said"
> debate again,...lol :)
> I still stand, "in my opinion" that we won't see Lion available until later
> in the year, around August - September. Yes, we'll see it announced at WWDC
> but I still don't feel it will be available (For the general public to buy)
> until after that.
> 
> Cup of coffee??? Pfftt. 1) I don't drink coffee and 2) I stand behind my
> "thinking" so would go $50 on our little wager...lol,... :) That would get
> you a few coffees if I'm wrong. ;))
> Misstatements? Ouch,..harsh,..lol.
> 
> Kind Regards
> Daniel
> 
> Who is about to set up his new MacBook Pro Thunderbolt,...yay! :)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 14/5/11 1:15 PM, "cm"  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hi Daniel,
>> 
>> Your prognostications about the release date of Lion OS X 10.7 are getting
>> more vague. I will accept a cup of coffee as sufficient payment for your past
>> misstatements when Lion comes out in June or July. :-D
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Carlo
>> 
>> On 2011-05-14, at 11:44, Daniel Kerr wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi All
>>> 
>>> Not that we have a date for Lion release as yet, but considering we *should*
>>> see it some stage this year, all going well. (Nice generic timeframe
>>> there,..) ;o) this website may be useful for those looking ahead to Lion.
>>> 
>>> It is a 'starter' for Application Compatibility for Mac OSX Lion.
>>> Obviously this will change as more apps are updated for Lion, but just
>>> thought I'd post it anyway.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Good to keep a look at it for when it does happen.
>>> 
>>> Enjoy. :O)
>>> 
>>> Kind regards
>>> Daniel
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> Daniel Kerr
>>> MacWizardry
>>> 
>>> Phone: 0414 795 960
>>> Email: 
>>> Web:   
>>> 
>>> 
>>> **For everything Macintosh**
> 
> 
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Re: Application Compatibility Wiki for Mac OS X Lion

[Daniel Kerr]

Hi Carlo

Um,...no. I was just being vague so as not to restart the "you said, I said"
debate again,...lol :)
I still stand, "in my opinion" that we won't see Lion available until later
in the year, around August - September. Yes, we'll see it announced at WWDC
but I still don't feel it will be available (For the general public to buy)
until after that.

Cup of coffee??? Pfftt. 1) I don't drink coffee and 2) I stand behind my
"thinking" so would go $50 on our little wager...lol,... :) That would get
you a few coffees if I'm wrong. ;))
Misstatements? Ouch,..harsh,..lol.

Kind Regards
Daniel

Who is about to set up his new MacBook Pro Thunderbolt,...yay! :)




On 14/5/11 1:15 PM, "cm"  wrote:

> 
> Hi Daniel,
> 
> Your prognostications about the release date of Lion OS X 10.7 are getting
> more vague. I will accept a cup of coffee as sufficient payment for your past
> misstatements when Lion comes out in June or July. :-D
> 
> Cheers,
> Carlo
> 
> On 2011-05-14, at 11:44, Daniel Kerr wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hi All
>> 
>> Not that we have a date for Lion release as yet, but considering we *should*
>> see it some stage this year, all going well. (Nice generic timeframe
>> there,..) ;o) this website may be useful for those looking ahead to Lion.
>> 
>> It is a 'starter' for Application Compatibility for Mac OSX Lion.
>> Obviously this will change as more apps are updated for Lion, but just
>> thought I'd post it anyway.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Good to keep a look at it for when it does happen.
>> 
>> Enjoy. :O)
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> Daniel
>> 
>> ---
>> Daniel Kerr
>> MacWizardry
>> 
>> Phone: 0414 795 960
>> Email: 
>> Web:   
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> 
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Re: Ipad memory

[cm]

I should have added, that apart from occasional problems with the actual phone 
app (the Apple default app for making phone calls) I can't recall a problem. On 
some few occasions when the signal drops out the phone app appears to hang and 
I have resorted to rebooting the phone to clear it. Apart from this case I have 
not been required to close a background app down or reboot the phone.

C


On 2011-05-14, at 13:22, cm wrote:

> Hi Shayne,
> 
> Yes, well picked up. There can always be defects / bugs in an operating 
> system (OS) design. Operating systems are the most complex pieces of software 
> there are. Some companies handle the complexity extremely well (Apple  
> building upon the Unix patrimony) and other companies make an utter mess 
> (Microsoft!).
> 
> You may not have noticed by I deliberately took defects into account when I 
> used the weasel words, "in principle" ahead of the statement:
> 
>>> So in principal at least, there is never any need to terminate an app 
>>> unless it has a limited form of background processing
> 
> It is early days for iOS as yet, and I am sure this new style of memory 
> management will improve with each release.
> 
> Cheers,
> Carlo
> 
> On 2011-05-14, at 12:37, S Beach wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Carlo & Ronni
>> 
>> I have heard the positive speak from apple before which is why I was a bit 
>> surprised to see the used memory going down as I closed apps.
>> 
>> Having read the info below again would it be fair to assume that the memory 
>> I saw being freed up is simply the memory used to store the "suspended 
>> state" of those apps sitting in the background in inactive memory?
>> I guess this would be the memory that would be freed up by the system as per 
>> Carlo's statement:
>> 
>> "If memory becomes short, background processes are terminated to free up 
>> memory. The are closed down in reverse order of last access, so a program 
>> you haven't used for two days, say, will be closed first. The program is 
>> given a few event cycles to save user data and then its memory is released 
>> for reuse."
>> 
>> Either way I am curious to know why Daniel's hint was necessary:
>> 
>> "But generally, the easiest way to fix it is to turn the iPad off (Hold down 
>> the power button til the "Slide to Power Off" comes up. Then side to power 
>> it off, wait a few seconds and then power it back on again.
>> That will "flush out" (or free up) the "memory".
>> 
>> Clearly it had the desired effect as per John's reply:
>> 
>> "Thanks Daniel. It solved the problem, also improved the performance as 
>> well. Is seems the ipad  can become clogged with residual stuff and slow 
>> down"
>> 
>> I guess we would be quick to blame the third party developers rather than 
>> iOS but shouldn't the system deal with this as per Carlo's comment? Should 
>> we from time to time need to follow Daniels advice?
>> I guess there is always more to it than we realise. Having a fair bit of IT 
>> experience I realise that these are really incredibly complex devices no 
>> matter how simple the developers make them for us to use.
>> 
>> I'm not being critical - just curious.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Shayne
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Ronda Brown  wrote:
>> Just adding to Carlo’s informative response.
>> 
>> How Mobile Multitasking Works
>> The major new feature of Apple’s latest mobile operating system, iOS 4, is 
>> multitasking.
>> 
>> How you use it:
>> When you press the Home button twice, Apple’s iOS 4 displays a “drawer” 
>> allowing you to switch between apps. The drawer shows your most recently 
>> used apps. This is similar to the “alt-tab” functionality we’re accustomed 
>> to on traditional PCs.
>> 
>> What’s going on:
>> When you leave an app in iOS 4, it’s not actually closing (unlike previous 
>> versions of the OS). Instead, it’s going into frozen, suspended animation, 
>> sitting inertly in the background. So when you relaunch an app, it opens 
>> instantly to pick up from where it left off before you “closed” it. That 
>> behaviour allows you to switch between apps very quickly — a feature called 
>> Fast App Switching, which is the core functionality of Apple’s iOS 
>> multitasking. (TidBITS has an excellent in-depth explanation of Fast App 
>> Switching.)
>> 
>> Fast App Switching isn’t all iOS 4 multitasking does, as there are a few 
>> exceptions for specific types of apps. Apple allows apps that play audio, 
>> connect with voice-over-IP or use location detection to run quietly in the 
>> background while one thread is still active. So that’s why, for example, you 
>> can leave the Pandora app, and the music will still be playing in the 
>> background while you check your e-mail. Likewise, you can leave Skype while 
>> on a VoIP call, and you won’t hang up on your buddy while you’re browsing 
>> Safari, for example. Third, you can leave a mapping app or a fitness tracker 
>> like RunKeeper and come back to it, and it’ll still have a lock on your 
>> location.
>

Re: Ipad memory

[cm]

Hi Shayne,

Yes, well picked up. There can always be defects / bugs in an operating system 
(OS) design. Operating systems are the most complex pieces of software there 
are. Some companies handle the complexity extremely well (Apple  building upon 
the Unix patrimony) and other companies make an utter mess (Microsoft!).

You may not have noticed by I deliberately took defects into account when I 
used the weasel words, "in principle" ahead of the statement:

>> So in principal at least, there is never any need to terminate an app unless 
>> it has a limited form of background processing

It is early days for iOS as yet, and I am sure this new style of memory 
management will improve with each release.

Cheers,
Carlo

On 2011-05-14, at 12:37, S Beach wrote:

> Thanks Carlo & Ronni
> 
> I have heard the positive speak from apple before which is why I was a bit 
> surprised to see the used memory going down as I closed apps.
> 
> Having read the info below again would it be fair to assume that the memory I 
> saw being freed up is simply the memory used to store the "suspended state" 
> of those apps sitting in the background in inactive memory?
> I guess this would be the memory that would be freed up by the system as per 
> Carlo's statement:
> 
> "If memory becomes short, background processes are terminated to free up 
> memory. The are closed down in reverse order of last access, so a program you 
> haven't used for two days, say, will be closed first. The program is given a 
> few event cycles to save user data and then its memory is released for reuse."
> 
> Either way I am curious to know why Daniel's hint was necessary:
> 
> "But generally, the easiest way to fix it is to turn the iPad off (Hold down 
> the power button til the "Slide to Power Off" comes up. Then side to power it 
> off, wait a few seconds and then power it back on again.
> That will "flush out" (or free up) the "memory".
> 
> Clearly it had the desired effect as per John's reply:
> 
> "Thanks Daniel. It solved the problem, also improved the performance as well. 
> Is seems the ipad  can become clogged with residual stuff and slow down"
> 
> I guess we would be quick to blame the third party developers rather than iOS 
> but shouldn't the system deal with this as per Carlo's comment? Should we 
> from time to time need to follow Daniels advice?
> I guess there is always more to it than we realise. Having a fair bit of IT 
> experience I realise that these are really incredibly complex devices no 
> matter how simple the developers make them for us to use.
> 
> I'm not being critical - just curious.
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Shayne
> 
> 
> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Ronda Brown  wrote:
> Just adding to Carlo’s informative response.
> 
> How Mobile Multitasking Works
> The major new feature of Apple’s latest mobile operating system, iOS 4, is 
> multitasking.
> 
> How you use it:
> When you press the Home button twice, Apple’s iOS 4 displays a “drawer” 
> allowing you to switch between apps. The drawer shows your most recently used 
> apps. This is similar to the “alt-tab” functionality we’re accustomed to on 
> traditional PCs.
> 
> What’s going on:
> When you leave an app in iOS 4, it’s not actually closing (unlike previous 
> versions of the OS). Instead, it’s going into frozen, suspended animation, 
> sitting inertly in the background. So when you relaunch an app, it opens 
> instantly to pick up from where it left off before you “closed” it. That 
> behaviour allows you to switch between apps very quickly — a feature called 
> Fast App Switching, which is the core functionality of Apple’s iOS 
> multitasking. (TidBITS has an excellent in-depth explanation of Fast App 
> Switching.)
> 
> Fast App Switching isn’t all iOS 4 multitasking does, as there are a few 
> exceptions for specific types of apps. Apple allows apps that play audio, 
> connect with voice-over-IP or use location detection to run quietly in the 
> background while one thread is still active. So that’s why, for example, you 
> can leave the Pandora app, and the music will still be playing in the 
> background while you check your e-mail. Likewise, you can leave Skype while 
> on a VoIP call, and you won’t hang up on your buddy while you’re browsing 
> Safari, for example. Third, you can leave a mapping app or a fitness tracker 
> like RunKeeper and come back to it, and it’ll still have a lock on your 
> location.
> 
> It’s up to third-party app developers, of course, to tell their apps to 
> behave this way with the new iOS 4 software development kit.
> 
> Another sort of background activity iOS supports is push notifications, which 
> keeps a specific internet port active while the iPhone is in hibernation, so 
> you can receive e-mails, instant messages and alerts even when the screen is 
> off. These alerts pop up on the screen in the same way as SMS on the iPhone.
> 
> WIRED Fast App Switching is indeed fast and stylish, avoids draining battery. 
> All apps ar

Re: Application Compatibility Wiki for Mac OS X Lion

[cm]

Hi Daniel,

Your prognostications about the release date of Lion OS X 10.7 are getting more 
vague. I will accept a cup of coffee as sufficient payment for your past 
misstatements when Lion comes out in June or July. :-D

Cheers,
Carlo

On 2011-05-14, at 11:44, Daniel Kerr wrote:

> 
> Hi All
> 
> Not that we have a date for Lion release as yet, but considering we *should*
> see it some stage this year, all going well. (Nice generic timeframe
> there,..) ;o) this website may be useful for those looking ahead to Lion.
> 
> It is a 'starter' for Application Compatibility for Mac OSX Lion.
> Obviously this will change as more apps are updated for Lion, but just
> thought I'd post it anyway.
> 
> 
> 
> Good to keep a look at it for when it does happen.
> 
> Enjoy. :O)
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> 
> ---
> Daniel Kerr
> MacWizardry
> 
> Phone: 0414 795 960
> Email: 
> Web:   
> 
> 
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> 
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Re: Ipad memory

[S Beach]

Thanks Carlo & Ronni

I have heard the positive speak from apple before which is why I was a bit
surprised to see the used memory going down as I closed apps.

Having read the info below again would it be fair to assume that the memory
I saw being freed up is simply the memory used to store the "suspended
state" of those apps sitting in the background in inactive memory?
I guess this would be the memory that would be freed up by the system as per
Carlo's statement:

*"If memory becomes short, background processes are terminated to free up
memory. The are closed down in reverse order of last access, so a program
you haven't used for two days, say, will be closed first. The program is
given a few event cycles to save user data and then its memory is released
for reuse."*

Either way I am curious to know why Daniel's hint was necessary:

*"But generally, the easiest way to fix it is to turn the iPad off (Hold
down the power button til the "Slide to Power Off" comes up. Then side to
power it off, wait a few seconds and then power it back on again.
That will "flush out" (or free up) the "memory".*

Clearly it had the desired effect as per John's reply:

*"Thanks Daniel. It solved the problem, also improved the performance as
well. Is seems the ipad  can become clogged with residual stuff and slow
down"*

I guess we would be quick to blame the third party developers rather than
iOS but shouldn't the system deal with this as per Carlo's comment? Should
we from time to time need to follow Daniels advice?
I guess there is always more to it than we realise. Having a fair bit of IT
experience I realise that these are really incredibly complex devices no
matter how simple the developers make them for us to use.

I'm not being critical - just curious.


Regards

Shayne


On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Ronda Brown  wrote:

> Just adding to Carlo’s informative response.
>
> *How Mobile Multitasking Works*
> The major new feature of Apple’s latest mobile operating system, iOS 4, is
> multitasking.
>
> *How you use it:*
> When you press the Home button twice, Apple’s iOS 4 displays a “drawer”
> allowing you to switch between apps. The drawer shows your most recently
> used apps. This is similar to the “alt-tab” functionality we’re accustomed
> to on traditional PCs.
>
> *What’s going on:*
> When you leave an app in iOS 4, it’s not actually closing (unlike previous
> versions of the OS). Instead, it’s going into frozen, suspended animation,
> sitting inertly in the background. So when you relaunch an app, it opens
> instantly to pick up from where it left off before you “closed” it. That
> behaviour allows you to switch between apps very quickly — a feature called
> Fast App Switching, which is the core functionality of Apple’s iOS
> multitasking. (TidBITS has an excellent in-depth explanation of Fast App
> Switching .)
>
> Fast App Switching isn’t all iOS 4 multitasking does, as there are a few
> exceptions for specific types of apps. Apple allows apps that play audio,
> connect with voice-over-IP or use location detection to run quietly in the
> background while one thread is still active. So that’s why, for example, you
> can leave the Pandora app, and the music will still be playing in the
> background while you check your e-mail. Likewise, you can leave Skype while
> on a VoIP call, and you won’t hang up on your buddy while you’re
> browsing Safari, for example. Third, you can leave a mapping app or a
> fitness tracker like RunKeeper and come back to it, and it’ll still have a
> lock on your location.
>
> It’s up to third-party app developers, of course, to tell their apps to
> behave this way with the new iOS 4 software development kit.
>
> Another sort of background activity iOS supports is *push notifications*,
> which keeps a specific internet port active while the iPhone is in
> hibernation, so you can receive e-mails, instant messages and alerts even
> when the screen is off. These alerts pop up on the screen in the same way as
> SMS on the iPhone.
>
> *WIRED* Fast App Switching is indeed fast and stylish, avoids draining
> battery. All apps are constantly running inertly, so you can quickly switch
> between them all.
>
> *TIRED* Only allows a single application thread to continue running; only
> certain kinds of activities are allowed to run in the background. Push
> notifications scream for your attention at the centre of the screen.
>
> Multitasking in iOS4 is not like multitasking in OS X. All applications are
> not running at the same time. Only the active application in use is running.
> Any other applications on the multitask list are made inactive until you
> switch to one of them. It’s called cooperative multitasking. This is not the
> same as pre-emptive multitasking that is used in OS X. In this form of
> multitasking open applications can switch between active and inactive status
> automatically as needed and applications can run in the background.
>
> Because t

Re: Can't replace HD in new iMacs?

[Ashley Mulder]

Just installed on my macbook pro 5,1

with no HDD fan, the software controls my right fan (as reported by istat menus)
left is running at normal 2000rpm, while right is running at 1000rpm as set by 
the software
threshold limits will tell me soon enough if this causes my MBP to run hot, as 
the right fan should kick into 6000rpm mode at about 50deg

should be interesting to see how this goes running at ambientalready 
noticed a minor noise drop
will test when running graphics intensive stuff to see how well it responds


Ash
On 14/05/2011, at 9:58 AM, Pedro wrote:

> Someone will always come with an answer
> 
> http://www.tuaw.com/2011/05/13/hdd-fan-control-software-addresses-imac-hard-drive-replacement-i/
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Pedro
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad 
> 
> 

Ashley Mulder
BSc (Forensic and Analytical Chemistry) | (Forensic Science Hons.)
PhD Student (Chemistry)
Department of Chemistry
Curtin University
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Application Compatibility Wiki for Mac OS X Lion

[Daniel Kerr]

Hi All

Not that we have a date for Lion release as yet, but considering we *should*
see it some stage this year, all going well. (Nice generic timeframe
there,..) ;o) this website may be useful for those looking ahead to Lion.

It is a 'starter' for Application Compatibility for Mac OSX Lion.
Obviously this will change as more apps are updated for Lion, but just
thought I'd post it anyway.



Good to keep a look at it for when it does happen.

Enjoy. :O)

Kind regards
Daniel

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Re: Can't replace HD in new iMacs?

[Pedro]

Someone will always come with an answer

http://www.tuaw.com/2011/05/13/hdd-fan-control-software-addresses-imac-hard-drive-replacement-i/

Cheers

Pedro


Sent from my iPad 


On 13/05/2011, at 19:29, Rod Lavington  wrote:

> Easy answer -  $$$
> 
> :)
> 
> Seeya
> 
> Rod
> 
> On 13 May 2011 18:14, "Daniel Kerr"  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 13/5/11 6:35 AM, "Rod Blitvich"  wrote:
> > 
> >> http://www.tuaw.com/2011/05/12/owc-replacing-main-hard-drive-with-third-party-
> >> is-not-an-option/
> >> OWC: Replacing main hard drive with third party is not an option in new 
> >> iMacs
> >> by Megan Lavey-Heaton (RSS feed) on May 12th, 2011
> >> 
> >> The folks over at Other World Computing, best known for providing 
> >> affordable
> >> upgrades for your Mac, delivered some bad news regarding installing a third
> >> party hard drive in the new Sandy Bridge iMacs.
> >> Apparently Apple altered the SATA power connector in such a way that 
> >> removing
> >> the hard drive from the system -- or even the bay it resides -- will cause 
> >> the
> >> hard drive fan to spin at maximum speed. Even further, placing any third 
> >> party
> >> drive in the machine results in the iMac failing the Apple Hardware Test, 
> >> even
> >> if that drive was replaced with the same model that the iMac is shipped 
> >> with.
> >> Apple seems to be specifically disallowing hard drives they don't approve 
> >> of,
> >> locking new iMac owners into AppleCare in case something happens to the 
> >> hard
> >> drive within the first three years or using an Apple-authorized repair 
> >> center.
> >> We've touted the virtues of AppleCare many times. However, a good many tend
> >> keep their iMacs much longer than three years, and a hard drive is 
> >> guaranteed
> >> to eventually fail. But since upgrading the current iMacs involve removing 
> >> the
> >> screen, even thoughiFixIt says it is fairly easy to access the internal 
> >> drive,
> >> I wouldn't want to go near that anyhow, and neither would your average 
> >> custom
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Rod Blitvich - Amy & Sam¹s Dad
> > 
> > 
> > Yes, been following that once since saw it the other day.
> > I'm not sure why they would do that. It does really close it off from other
> > brands and options. Not necessarily at the time of purchase (though some are
> > saying that's true too as Apple don't do options for larger SSD drives eg
> > 480GB, 512GB SSD), but also later down the track.
> > What if you buy a 1TB drive then a year down the track the drive dies (or
> > you want to upgrade) for a larger drive. You're then stuck with buying what
> > Apple offer you (Which sometimes is dearer then other brands or places). eg,
> > even at the moment Apple don't offer a 3TB drive, yet you can buy this as
> > Western Digital (and others make them).
> > 
> > This has certainly gained a lot of momentum on some of the forums I've been
> > reading. With lots of people hoping someone will bring out a hack or
> > something for it.
> > I just don't quite follow the reasoning for it. You've previously been able
> > to change or upgrade the Hard Drive in iMac's with whatever drive you
> > wanted, it didn't have to come from Apple. So why change it now.
> > 
> > This seems to be happening more and more of late with certain things that
> > Apple are doing. 
> > Look at iPad 2's for example. Why do the Apple Stores get a lot of iPad's
> > (eg Apple Perth in Hay Street) yet the Apple resellers get minimum (or no)
> > stock.
> > (I was going to go on a bit more detail,..but think I'll just leave it at
> > that without starting a flame war,...getting into trouble,..or,..well
> > whatever may start from it,...lol).
> > I just don't get it. Maybe I'm missing something, or not seeing "some big
> > picture" or live in my own little world too much,..lol.
> > 
> > Just my 2cents worth. I'm sure others may agree or disagree with me,... :o))
> > 
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> > Daniel
> > ---
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> > MacWizardry
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Thanks Ronni, this is good info.

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Re: Can't replace HD in new iMacs?

[Daniel Kerr]

Hi Ronni

I'd say yes to the first.
The second I can't see what difference it would make to them. "Normally" a
hard drive is a hard drive (I know there are differences between them with
models and specs and speeds and "features"), so I don't really understand
this one.
I can't see what impact it would have to Apple what goes in it. I mean, if
someone tries to install a hard drive themselves and doesn't follow all the
"Correct procedures" and fries something then goes off about "Apple gear",
then sure I'd understand.
But if the likes of a service centre or qualified repairer is doing it,
surely they should be allowed the option to say ,...well, it's out of
warranty so here are your options to replace the drive.
And sometimes you don't always buy the best of a machine up front you get
what you can afford for now and might add or change it in a year or so. Plus
technologies change - so you might start with a 1TB drive now and get a 3TB
drive when they're cheaper (or a 4TB drive when it comes out.).
Again, this is just a hard drive so it shouldn't have an affect on the
overall performance of the machine. Or the "internal components".

And what has changed so much from the pervious version iMac to the new iMac
that they've now said,..yep we need to change the way the hard drive does
this and stop "after market upgrades".

Will be interesting to see what more unfolds from this

I'm guessing your reply came in the ads for 'the pies' :oP hehehe :)

Kind regards
Daniel



On 13/5/11 9:01 PM, "Ronda Brown"  wrote:

> 
> Are Apple becoming 'Greedy' chasing the dollar ... Or just wanting more
> control over what goes in their hardware?
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> Sent from Ronni's iPad
> 
> On 13/05/2011, at 8:27 PM, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Well yes, apart from that Mr Smartie :P lol :)
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> Daniel
>> 
>> 
>> On 13/5/11 7:29 PM, "Rod Lavington"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Easy answer -  $$$
>>> 
>>> :)
>>> 
>>> Seeya
>>> 
>>> Rod
>>> On 13 May 2011 18:14, "Daniel Kerr"  wrote:
 
 
 
 
 On 13/5/11 6:35 AM, "Rod Blitvich"  wrote:
 
> 
>>> http://www.tuaw.com/2011/05/12/owc-replacing-main-hard-drive-with-third-part
>>> y-
> is-not-an-option/
> OWC: Replacing main hard drive with third party is not an option in new
>>> iMacs
> by Megan Lavey-Heaton (RSS feed) on May 12th, 2011
> 
> The folks over at Other World Computing, best known for providing
>>> affordable
> upgrades for your Mac, delivered some bad news regarding installing a
>>> third
> party hard drive in the new Sandy Bridge iMacs.
> Apparently Apple altered the SATA power connector in such a way that
>>> removing
> the hard drive from the system -- or even the bay it resides -- will
>>> cause the
> hard drive fan to spin at maximum speed. Even further, placing any third
>>> party
> drive in the machine results in the iMac failing the Apple Hardware Test,
>>> even
> if that drive was replaced with the same model that the iMac is shipped
>>> with.
> Apple seems to be specifically disallowing hard drives they don't approve
>>> of,
> locking new iMac owners into AppleCare in case something happens to the
>>> hard
> drive within the first three years or using an Apple-authorized repair
>>> center.
> We've touted the virtues of AppleCare many times. However, a good many
>>> tend
> keep their iMacs much longer than three years, and a hard drive is
>>> guaranteed
> to eventually fail. But since upgrading the current iMacs involve
>>> removing the
> screen, even thoughiFixIt says it is fairly easy to access the internal
>>> drive,
> I wouldn't want to go near that anyhow, and neither would your average
>>> custom
> 
> 
> 
> Rod Blitvich - Amy & Sam¹s Dad
 
 
 Yes, been following that once since saw it the other day.
 I'm not sure why they would do that. It does really close it off from
>>> other
 brands and options. Not necessarily at the time of purchase (though some
>>> are
 saying that's true too as Apple don't do options for larger SSD drives eg
 480GB, 512GB SSD), but also later down the track.
 What if you buy a 1TB drive then a year down the track the drive dies (or
 you want to upgrade) for a larger drive. You're then stuck with buying
>>> what
 Apple offer you (Which sometimes is dearer then other brands or places).
>>> eg,
 even at the moment Apple don't offer a 3TB drive, yet you can buy this as
 Western Digital (and others make them).
 
 This has certainly gained a lot of momentum on some of the forums I've
>>> been
 reading. With lots of people hoping someone will bring out a hack or
 something for it.
 I just don't quite follow the reasoning for it. You've previously been
>>> able
 to change or upgrade the Hard Drive in iMac's with whatever drive you
 wanted, it didn't have to come from Apple. So why change it now.
 
 This seems to be hap

Re: Can't replace HD in new iMacs?

[Rod Lavington]

They want the imac buyers to be on a similar upgrade cycle to the iOS buyer
;)  Or provides a new revenue stream for the Apple Genius bar!

Cheers

Rod
On May 13, 2011 9:05 PM, "Ronda Brown"  wrote:
>
> Are Apple becoming 'Greedy' chasing the dollar ... Or just wanting more
control over what goes in their hardware?
>
> Cheers,
> Ronni
>
> Sent from Ronni's iPad
>
> On 13/05/2011, at 8:27 PM, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
>
>>
>> Well yes, apart from that Mr Smartie :P lol :)
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Daniel
>>
>>
>> On 13/5/11 7:29 PM, "Rod Lavington"  wrote:
>>
>>> Easy answer - $$$
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>> Seeya
>>>
>>> Rod
>>> On 13 May 2011 18:14, "Daniel Kerr"  wrote:




 On 13/5/11 6:35 AM, "Rod Blitvich"  wrote:

>
>>>
http://www.tuaw.com/2011/05/12/owc-replacing-main-hard-drive-with-third-party-
> is-not-an-option/
> OWC: Replacing main hard drive with third party is not an option in
new
>>> iMacs
> by Megan Lavey-Heaton (RSS feed) on May 12th, 2011
>
> The folks over at Other World Computing, best known for providing
>>> affordable
> upgrades for your Mac, delivered some bad news regarding installing a
>>> third
> party hard drive in the new Sandy Bridge iMacs.
> Apparently Apple altered the SATA power connector in such a way that
>>> removing
> the hard drive from the system -- or even the bay it resides -- will
>>> cause the
> hard drive fan to spin at maximum speed. Even further, placing any
third
>>> party
> drive in the machine results in the iMac failing the Apple Hardware
Test,
>>> even
> if that drive was replaced with the same model that the iMac is
shipped
>>> with.
> Apple seems to be specifically disallowing hard drives they don't
approve
>>> of,
> locking new iMac owners into AppleCare in case something happens to
the
>>> hard
> drive within the first three years or using an Apple-authorized repair
>>> center.
> We've touted the virtues of AppleCare many times. However, a good many
>>> tend
> keep their iMacs much longer than three years, and a hard drive is
>>> guaranteed
> to eventually fail. But since upgrading the current iMacs involve
>>> removing the
> screen, even thoughiFixIt says it is fairly easy to access the
internal
>>> drive,
> I wouldn't want to go near that anyhow, and neither would your average
>>> custom
>
>
>
> Rod Blitvich - Amy & Sam’s Dad


 Yes, been following that once since saw it the other day.
 I'm not sure why they would do that. It does really close it off from
>>> other
 brands and options. Not necessarily at the time of purchase (though
some
>>> are
 saying that's true too as Apple don't do options for larger SSD drives
eg
 480GB, 512GB SSD), but also later down the track.
 What if you buy a 1TB drive then a year down the track the drive dies
(or
 you want to upgrade) for a larger drive. You're then stuck with buying
>>> what
 Apple offer you (Which sometimes is dearer then other brands or
places).
>>> eg,
 even at the moment Apple don't offer a 3TB drive, yet you can buy this
as
 Western Digital (and others make them).

 This has certainly gained a lot of momentum on some of the forums I've
>>> been
 reading. With lots of people hoping someone will bring out a hack or
 something for it.
 I just don't quite follow the reasoning for it. You've previously been
>>> able
 to change or upgrade the Hard Drive in iMac's with whatever drive you
 wanted, it didn't have to come from Apple. So why change it now.

 This seems to be happening more and more of late with certain things
that
 Apple are doing.
 Look at iPad 2's for example. Why do the Apple Stores get a lot of
iPad's
 (eg Apple Perth in Hay Street) yet the Apple resellers get minimum (or
no)
 stock.
 (I was going to go on a bit more detail,..but think I'll just leave it
at
 that without starting a flame war,...getting into trouble,..or,..well
 whatever may start from it,...lol).
 I just don't get it. Maybe I'm missing something, or not seeing "some
big
 picture" or live in my own little world too much,..lol.

 Just my 2cents worth. I'm sure others may agree or disagree with me,...
>>> :o))

 Kind regards
 Daniel
 ---
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Re: Can't replace HD in new iMacs?

[Ronda Brown]

Are Apple becoming 'Greedy' chasing the dollar ... Or just wanting more control 
over what goes in their hardware?

Cheers,
Ronni

Sent from Ronni's iPad

On 13/05/2011, at 8:27 PM, Daniel Kerr  wrote:

> 
> Well yes, apart from that Mr Smartie :P lol :)
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> 
> 
> On 13/5/11 7:29 PM, "Rod Lavington"  wrote:
> 
>> Easy answer -  $$$
>> 
>> :)
>> 
>> Seeya
>> 
>> Rod
>> On 13 May 2011 18:14, "Daniel Kerr"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 13/5/11 6:35 AM, "Rod Blitvich"  wrote:
>>> 
 
>> http://www.tuaw.com/2011/05/12/owc-replacing-main-hard-drive-with-third-party-
 is-not-an-option/
 OWC: Replacing main hard drive with third party is not an option in new
>> iMacs
 by Megan Lavey-Heaton (RSS feed) on May 12th, 2011
 
 The folks over at Other World Computing, best known for providing
>> affordable
 upgrades for your Mac, delivered some bad news regarding installing a
>> third
 party hard drive in the new Sandy Bridge iMacs.
 Apparently Apple altered the SATA power connector in such a way that
>> removing
 the hard drive from the system -- or even the bay it resides -- will
>> cause the
 hard drive fan to spin at maximum speed. Even further, placing any third
>> party
 drive in the machine results in the iMac failing the Apple Hardware Test,
>> even
 if that drive was replaced with the same model that the iMac is shipped
>> with.
 Apple seems to be specifically disallowing hard drives they don't approve
>> of,
 locking new iMac owners into AppleCare in case something happens to the
>> hard
 drive within the first three years or using an Apple-authorized repair
>> center.
 We've touted the virtues of AppleCare many times. However, a good many
>> tend
 keep their iMacs much longer than three years, and a hard drive is
>> guaranteed
 to eventually fail. But since upgrading the current iMacs involve
>> removing the
 screen, even thoughiFixIt says it is fairly easy to access the internal
>> drive,
 I wouldn't want to go near that anyhow, and neither would your average
>> custom
 
 
 
 Rod Blitvich - Amy & Sam’s Dad
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Yes, been following that once since saw it the other day.
>>> I'm not sure why they would do that. It does really close it off from
>> other
>>> brands and options. Not necessarily at the time of purchase (though some
>> are
>>> saying that's true too as Apple don't do options for larger SSD drives eg
>>> 480GB, 512GB SSD), but also later down the track.
>>> What if you buy a 1TB drive then a year down the track the drive dies (or
>>> you want to upgrade) for a larger drive. You're then stuck with buying
>> what
>>> Apple offer you (Which sometimes is dearer then other brands or places).
>> eg,
>>> even at the moment Apple don't offer a 3TB drive, yet you can buy this as
>>> Western Digital (and others make them).
>>> 
>>> This has certainly gained a lot of momentum on some of the forums I've
>> been
>>> reading. With lots of people hoping someone will bring out a hack or
>>> something for it.
>>> I just don't quite follow the reasoning for it. You've previously been
>> able
>>> to change or upgrade the Hard Drive in iMac's with whatever drive you
>>> wanted, it didn't have to come from Apple. So why change it now.
>>> 
>>> This seems to be happening more and more of late with certain things that
>>> Apple are doing.
>>> Look at iPad 2's for example. Why do the Apple Stores get a lot of iPad's
>>> (eg Apple Perth in Hay Street) yet the Apple resellers get minimum (or no)
>>> stock.
>>> (I was going to go on a bit more detail,..but think I'll just leave it at
>>> that without starting a flame war,...getting into trouble,..or,..well
>>> whatever may start from it,...lol).
>>> I just don't get it. Maybe I'm missing something, or not seeing "some big
>>> picture" or live in my own little world too much,..lol.
>>> 
>>> Just my 2cents worth. I'm sure others may agree or disagree with me,...
>> :o))
>>> 
>>> Kind regards
>>> Daniel
>>> ---
>>> Daniel Kerr
>>> MacWizardry
>>> 
>>> Phone: 0414 795 960
>>> Email: 
>>> Web: 
>>> 
>>> 
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[Daniel Kerr]

Well yes, apart from that Mr Smartie :P lol :)

Kind regards
Daniel


On 13/5/11 7:29 PM, "Rod Lavington"  wrote:

> Easy answer -  $$$
> 
> :)
> 
> Seeya
> 
> Rod
> On 13 May 2011 18:14, "Daniel Kerr"  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 13/5/11 6:35 AM, "Rod Blitvich"  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
> http://www.tuaw.com/2011/05/12/owc-replacing-main-hard-drive-with-third-party-
>>> is-not-an-option/
>>> OWC: Replacing main hard drive with third party is not an option in new
> iMacs
>>> by Megan Lavey-Heaton (RSS feed) on May 12th, 2011
>>> 
>>> The folks over at Other World Computing, best known for providing
> affordable
>>> upgrades for your Mac, delivered some bad news regarding installing a
> third
>>> party hard drive in the new Sandy Bridge iMacs.
>>> Apparently Apple altered the SATA power connector in such a way that
> removing
>>> the hard drive from the system -- or even the bay it resides -- will
> cause the
>>> hard drive fan to spin at maximum speed. Even further, placing any third
> party
>>> drive in the machine results in the iMac failing the Apple Hardware Test,
> even
>>> if that drive was replaced with the same model that the iMac is shipped
> with.
>>> Apple seems to be specifically disallowing hard drives they don't approve
> of,
>>> locking new iMac owners into AppleCare in case something happens to the
> hard
>>> drive within the first three years or using an Apple-authorized repair
> center.
>>> We've touted the virtues of AppleCare many times. However, a good many
> tend
>>> keep their iMacs much longer than three years, and a hard drive is
> guaranteed
>>> to eventually fail. But since upgrading the current iMacs involve
> removing the
>>> screen, even thoughiFixIt says it is fairly easy to access the internal
> drive,
>>> I wouldn't want to go near that anyhow, and neither would your average
> custom
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Rod Blitvich - Amy & Sam¹s Dad
>> 
>> 
>> Yes, been following that once since saw it the other day.
>> I'm not sure why they would do that. It does really close it off from
> other
>> brands and options. Not necessarily at the time of purchase (though some
> are
>> saying that's true too as Apple don't do options for larger SSD drives eg
>> 480GB, 512GB SSD), but also later down the track.
>> What if you buy a 1TB drive then a year down the track the drive dies (or
>> you want to upgrade) for a larger drive. You're then stuck with buying
> what
>> Apple offer you (Which sometimes is dearer then other brands or places).
> eg,
>> even at the moment Apple don't offer a 3TB drive, yet you can buy this as
>> Western Digital (and others make them).
>> 
>> This has certainly gained a lot of momentum on some of the forums I've
> been
>> reading. With lots of people hoping someone will bring out a hack or
>> something for it.
>> I just don't quite follow the reasoning for it. You've previously been
> able
>> to change or upgrade the Hard Drive in iMac's with whatever drive you
>> wanted, it didn't have to come from Apple. So why change it now.
>> 
>> This seems to be happening more and more of late with certain things that
>> Apple are doing.
>> Look at iPad 2's for example. Why do the Apple Stores get a lot of iPad's
>> (eg Apple Perth in Hay Street) yet the Apple resellers get minimum (or no)
>> stock.
>> (I was going to go on a bit more detail,..but think I'll just leave it at
>> that without starting a flame war,...getting into trouble,..or,..well
>> whatever may start from it,...lol).
>> I just don't get it. Maybe I'm missing something, or not seeing "some big
>> picture" or live in my own little world too much,..lol.
>> 
>> Just my 2cents worth. I'm sure others may agree or disagree with me,...
> :o))
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> Daniel
>> ---
>> Daniel Kerr
>> MacWizardry
>> 
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>> Web: 
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Re: Can't replace HD in new iMacs?

[Rod Lavington]

Easy answer -  $$$

:)

Seeya

Rod
On 13 May 2011 18:14, "Daniel Kerr"  wrote:
>
>
>
>
> On 13/5/11 6:35 AM, "Rod Blitvich"  wrote:
>
>>
http://www.tuaw.com/2011/05/12/owc-replacing-main-hard-drive-with-third-party-
>> is-not-an-option/
>> OWC: Replacing main hard drive with third party is not an option in new
iMacs
>> by Megan Lavey-Heaton (RSS feed) on May 12th, 2011
>>
>> The folks over at Other World Computing, best known for providing
affordable
>> upgrades for your Mac, delivered some bad news regarding installing a
third
>> party hard drive in the new Sandy Bridge iMacs.
>> Apparently Apple altered the SATA power connector in such a way that
removing
>> the hard drive from the system -- or even the bay it resides -- will
cause the
>> hard drive fan to spin at maximum speed. Even further, placing any third
party
>> drive in the machine results in the iMac failing the Apple Hardware Test,
even
>> if that drive was replaced with the same model that the iMac is shipped
with.
>> Apple seems to be specifically disallowing hard drives they don't approve
of,
>> locking new iMac owners into AppleCare in case something happens to the
hard
>> drive within the first three years or using an Apple-authorized repair
center.
>> We've touted the virtues of AppleCare many times. However, a good many
tend
>> keep their iMacs much longer than three years, and a hard drive is
guaranteed
>> to eventually fail. But since upgrading the current iMacs involve
removing the
>> screen, even thoughiFixIt says it is fairly easy to access the internal
drive,
>> I wouldn't want to go near that anyhow, and neither would your average
custom
>>
>>
>>
>> Rod Blitvich - Amy & Sam¹s Dad
>
>
> Yes, been following that once since saw it the other day.
> I'm not sure why they would do that. It does really close it off from
other
> brands and options. Not necessarily at the time of purchase (though some
are
> saying that's true too as Apple don't do options for larger SSD drives eg
> 480GB, 512GB SSD), but also later down the track.
> What if you buy a 1TB drive then a year down the track the drive dies (or
> you want to upgrade) for a larger drive. You're then stuck with buying
what
> Apple offer you (Which sometimes is dearer then other brands or places).
eg,
> even at the moment Apple don't offer a 3TB drive, yet you can buy this as
> Western Digital (and others make them).
>
> This has certainly gained a lot of momentum on some of the forums I've
been
> reading. With lots of people hoping someone will bring out a hack or
> something for it.
> I just don't quite follow the reasoning for it. You've previously been
able
> to change or upgrade the Hard Drive in iMac's with whatever drive you
> wanted, it didn't have to come from Apple. So why change it now.
>
> This seems to be happening more and more of late with certain things that
> Apple are doing.
> Look at iPad 2's for example. Why do the Apple Stores get a lot of iPad's
> (eg Apple Perth in Hay Street) yet the Apple resellers get minimum (or no)
> stock.
> (I was going to go on a bit more detail,..but think I'll just leave it at
> that without starting a flame war,...getting into trouble,..or,..well
> whatever may start from it,...lol).
> I just don't get it. Maybe I'm missing something, or not seeing "some big
> picture" or live in my own little world too much,..lol.
>
> Just my 2cents worth. I'm sure others may agree or disagree with me,...
:o))
>
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> ---
> Daniel Kerr
> MacWizardry
>
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> Web: 
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On 13/5/11 6:35 AM, "Rod Blitvich"  wrote:

> http://www.tuaw.com/2011/05/12/owc-replacing-main-hard-drive-with-third-party-
> is-not-an-option/
> OWC: Replacing main hard drive with third party is not an option in new iMacs
> by Megan Lavey-Heaton (RSS feed) on May 12th, 2011
> 
> The folks over at Other World Computing, best known for providing affordable
> upgrades for your Mac, delivered some bad news regarding installing a third
> party hard drive in the new Sandy Bridge iMacs.
> Apparently Apple altered the SATA power connector in such a way that removing
> the hard drive from the system -- or even the bay it resides -- will cause the
> hard drive fan to spin at maximum speed. Even further, placing any third party
> drive in the machine results in the iMac failing the Apple Hardware Test, even
> if that drive was replaced with the same model that the iMac is shipped with.
> Apple seems to be specifically disallowing hard drives they don't approve of,
> locking new iMac owners into AppleCare in case something happens to the hard
> drive within the first three years or using an Apple-authorized repair center.
> We've touted the virtues of AppleCare many times. However, a good many tend
> keep their iMacs much longer than three years, and a hard drive is guaranteed
> to eventually fail. But since upgrading the current iMacs involve removing the
> screen, even thoughiFixIt says it is fairly easy to access the internal drive,
> I wouldn't want to go near that anyhow, and neither would your average custom
> 
> 
> 
> Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam¹s Dad


Yes, been following that once since saw it the other day.
I'm not sure why they would do that. It does really close it off from other
brands and options. Not necessarily at the time of purchase (though some are
saying that's true too as Apple don't do options for larger SSD drives eg
480GB, 512GB SSD), but also later down the track.
What if you buy a 1TB drive then a year down the track the drive dies (or
you want to upgrade) for a larger drive. You're then stuck with buying what
Apple offer you (Which sometimes is dearer then other brands or places). eg,
even at the moment Apple don't offer a 3TB drive, yet you can buy this as
Western Digital (and others make them).

This has certainly gained a lot of momentum on some of the forums I've been
reading. With lots of people hoping someone will bring out a hack or
something for it.
I just don't quite follow the reasoning for it. You've previously been able
to change or upgrade the Hard Drive in iMac's with whatever drive you
wanted, it didn't have to come from Apple. So why change it now.

This seems to be happening more and more of late with certain things that
Apple are doing. 
Look at iPad 2's for example. Why do the Apple Stores get a lot of iPad's
(eg Apple Perth in Hay Street) yet the Apple resellers get minimum (or no)
stock.
(I was going to go on a bit more detail,..but think I'll just leave it at
that without starting a flame war,...getting into trouble,..or,..well
whatever may start from it,...lol).
I just don't get it. Maybe I'm missing something, or not seeing "some big
picture" or live in my own little world too much,..lol.

Just my 2cents worth. I'm sure others may agree or disagree with me,... :o))

Kind regards
Daniel
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[Ronda Brown]

Hi Paul,

A USB drive connected to a recent dual-band Airport Extreme may work as a 
destination for Time Machine backups, but it’s not recommended.
This works well for some, not so well for others, and not at all for still 
others.  
Even when it appears to be working well for days, weeks, or even months, 
suddenly the backups may become corrupted. 

Sometimes Disk Utility can repair them, sometimes the 3rd-party app Disk 
Warrior can, but other times they're useless.  
Then you must erase them and start over!

And it's not supported by Apple.  See:  Mac OS X 10.6 Help: Disks that can be 
used with Time Machine  and: Time Machine doesn't back up to AirPort Extreme 
AirPort Disks.
If there's trouble with this setup, you won't get much, if any, help from Apple.

You can use another backup program to backup to a USB Hard Drive attached to an 
Airport Extreme.

 

Cheers,
Ronni

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OS X 10.6.7 Snow Leopard
Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)

On 13/05/2011, at 4:46 PM, Severin Crisp wrote:

> 
> Paul,
>   I can not recall the full reason when I tried this, it was quite a 
> while ago.  It was documented on the internet somewhere and I am sure Ronni 
> may be able to explain.  I just gave up as there were other easy alternatives 
> open to me.
> Regards
> Severin
> 
> On 13/05/2011, at 4:34 PM, Paul K wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hi Severin,
>> 
>> I use TM to back up my iBook to a network drive which is attached to my iMac.
>> This iMac also uses the drive for it's own TM backups.
>> The iBook's TM creates a sparse image within the remote drive to do
>> it's backups into.
>> 
>> I was hoping I could do the same as above but to an Airport Extreme
>> attached USB drive instead of the iMac attached USB drive I am
>> currently using.
>> Why do you think that TM backups cannot be done to a drive attached to
>> an Airport Extreme?
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Paul
>> 
>> Severin Crisp  wrote:
>>> 
>>> No.  Time Machine will not recognise a drive networked in this way through
>>> an Airport Extreme.
>>> Severin Crisp
>>> 
>>> On 13/05/2011, at 7:22 AM, Paul K wrote:
>>> 
 
 Hi Severin
 
 But you can use the drive for TM backups across the network yes?
 Not sure what you mean by virtual Time Capsule.
 
 Cheers
 Paul















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[Severin Crisp]

Paul,
	I can not recall the full reason when I tried this, it was quite a  
while ago.  It was documented on the internet somewhere and I am sure  
Ronni may be able to explain.  I just gave up as there were other easy  
alternatives open to me.

Regards
Severin

On 13/05/2011, at 4:34 PM, Paul K wrote:



Hi Severin,

I use TM to back up my iBook to a network drive which is attached to  
my iMac.

This iMac also uses the drive for it's own TM backups.
The iBook's TM creates a sparse image within the remote drive to do
it's backups into.

I was hoping I could do the same as above but to an Airport Extreme
attached USB drive instead of the iMac attached USB drive I am
currently using.
Why do you think that TM backups cannot be done to a drive attached to
an Airport Extreme?

Cheers
Paul

Severin Crisp  wrote:


No.  Time Machine will not recognise a drive networked in this way  
through

an Airport Extreme.
Severin Crisp

On 13/05/2011, at 7:22 AM, Paul K wrote:



Hi Severin

But you can use the drive for TM backups across the network yes?
Not sure what you mean by virtual Time Capsule.

Cheers
Paul




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[Paul K]

Hi Severin,

I use TM to back up my iBook to a network drive which is attached to my iMac.
This iMac also uses the drive for it's own TM backups.
The iBook's TM creates a sparse image within the remote drive to do
it's backups into.

I was hoping I could do the same as above but to an Airport Extreme
attached USB drive instead of the iMac attached USB drive I am
currently using.
Why do you think that TM backups cannot be done to a drive attached to
an Airport Extreme?

Cheers
Paul

Severin Crisp  wrote:
>
> No.  Time Machine will not recognise a drive networked in this way through
> an Airport Extreme.
> Severin Crisp
>
> On 13/05/2011, at 7:22 AM, Paul K wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Severin
>>
>> But you can use the drive for TM backups across the network yes?
>> Not sure what you mean by virtual Time Capsule.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Paul



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