Re: A knotty question

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Pat,

Good that another Restart and both Safari & Firefox are now showing the website 
correctly.
A couple of things you could check in case this happens again.

1. Go to System Preferences > Network - select the connection you are using 
(Wi-Fi or Ethernet), then click the Advanced button, then 'Proxies' check that 
NOTHING is selected here. 

If you made any changes, click the "OK" button and then click the "Apply" 
button to make the changes permanent. 
Close the Network window.

2. Then check you are using your ISP (iiNet) DNS Servers:
Primary  203.0.178.191
Secondary 203.215.29.191

In System Preferences > Network  - Select your Connection (Wi-Fi or Ethernet), 
then click the Advanced button
then  'DNS' - under DNS Servers: 

If you don't have the DNS server addresses, click on  + & add 203.0.178.191, 
then click on + again & add the secondary 203.215.29.191

Click "OK" 
Then Click "Apply" button to make the changes permanent
Close the Network window.

If you made any changes, Restart your Mac. 

Cheers,
Ronni

17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt"
2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD

OS X 10.8.5 Mountain Lion
Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)

On 01/10/2013, at 4:25 PM, Pat  wrote:

> I just got back to my computer at 4 pm and restarted. I am using Mountain 
> Lion 10.8.5, Safari 6.0.5 and Firefox 23.0.1. The article I was commenting on 
> was The new economic nationalism, where comments are now closed. Safari is 
> reporting 55 (mine is there), and Firefox also says the same, and they are 
> now identical, so I have no idea why the previous difference.
> 
> I'm still puzzled, because this morning was a restart also.
> 
> Thanks very much, David, Ronni and Daniel.
> Cheers,
> Pat
> 
> 
> On 01/10/2013, at 12:36 PM, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
> 
>> May also be worth deleting cookies and resetting cache as well  if restart 
>> doesn't fix it. 
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> Daniel
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 5
>> 
>> ---
>> Daniel Kerr
>> MacWizardry
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>> On 1 Oct 2013, at 12:10 pm, Ronda Brown  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Pat,
>>> 
>>> What version of Safari are you using.
>>> What version of OS X are you running... Mountain Lion?
>>> 
>>> I have the same report as David, both Safari 6.0.5 & Firefox 21.0 showing 
>>> and reporting exactly the same.
>>> So the problem I would suggest is with your installation of either Safari / 
>>> Firefox or OS X.
>>> 
>>> Have you restarted your computer, and still find both browsers not 
>>> displaying as they should, and what you have done to try and correct the 
>>> problems?
>>> 
>>> Let us know details on versions etc and we will get back to you.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
>>> 
 On 1 Oct 2013, at 11:37 am, David Nicholas  wrote:
 
 Hi Pat
 
 I was very interested in your post.  I follow the news on the ABC and 
 often read the opinion pieces.  So I checked the difference between Safari 
 and Firefox just now, at about 11.34 WST.  I looked at the report on Anne 
 Summers interview of Julia Guillard last night.
 
 Both had 56 comments and started and ended with the same bloggers.  So, I 
 can't replicate what you are experiencing.
 
 David
 
 
> On 01/10/2013, at 11:09 AM, Pat  wrote:
> 
> AAarrrghh!  I just went back to the two browsers and started comparing 
> the comments on them: they are completely different! Two distinct 
> populations. This makes me wonder if it is an ABC tactic to divided 
> responses by browser, but I can't see the point in that.
> 
> I will go soak my head for a while.
> Pat
> 
> 
> 
>> On 01/10/2013, at 11:03 AM, Pat  wrote:
>> 
>> On and off, there have been mutterings that Safari browser isn't quite 
>> up to scratch. I had hoped this was all in the past, but now I encounter 
>> a glaring example.
>> 
>> I discovered long ago that the ABC website doesn't handle Safari well at 
>> all; I was not able to post a comment using Safari. I could post using 
>> Firefox. I wrote several letters to the ABC, suggesting that they bring 
>> their site up to scratch. Eventually they did something, and now the 
>> problem is worse. I used to be able to see and respond to their polls 
>> with Safari; now I can't.
>> 
>> But it gets worse. Last night, there was an opinion article that I 
>> wanted to comment on, so I got out Fir

Re: A knotty question

[Pat]

I just got back to my computer at 4 pm and restarted. I am using Mountain Lion 
10.8.5, Safari 6.0.5 and Firefox 23.0.1. The article I was commenting on was 
The new economic nationalism, where comments are now closed. Safari is 
reporting 55 (mine is there), and Firefox also says the same, and they are now 
identical, so I have no idea why the previous difference.

I'm still puzzled, because this morning was a restart also.

Thanks very much, David, Ronni and Daniel.
Cheers,
Pat


On 01/10/2013, at 12:36 PM, Daniel Kerr  wrote:

> May also be worth deleting cookies and resetting cache as well  if restart 
> doesn't fix it. 
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 5
> 
> ---
> Daniel Kerr
> MacWizardry
> 
> Phone: 0414 795 960
> Email: 
> Web:   
> 
> 
> **For everything Apple**
> 
> NOTE: Any information provided in this email may be my personal opinion and 
> as such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of MacWizardry. 
> Any information provided does not offer or warrant any form of warranty or 
> accept liability. It would be appreciated that if any information in this 
> email is to be disseminated, distributed or copied, that permission by the 
> author be requested.
> 
> On 1 Oct 2013, at 12:10 pm, Ronda Brown  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Pat,
>> 
>> What version of Safari are you using.
>> What version of OS X are you running... Mountain Lion?
>> 
>> I have the same report as David, both Safari 6.0.5 & Firefox 21.0 showing 
>> and reporting exactly the same.
>> So the problem I would suggest is with your installation of either Safari / 
>> Firefox or OS X.
>> 
>> Have you restarted your computer, and still find both browsers not 
>> displaying as they should, and what you have done to try and correct the 
>> problems?
>> 
>> Let us know details on versions etc and we will get back to you.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
>> 
>>> On 1 Oct 2013, at 11:37 am, David Nicholas  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Pat
>>> 
>>> I was very interested in your post.  I follow the news on the ABC and often 
>>> read the opinion pieces.  So I checked the difference between Safari and 
>>> Firefox just now, at about 11.34 WST.  I looked at the report on Anne 
>>> Summers interview of Julia Guillard last night.
>>> 
>>> Both had 56 comments and started and ended with the same bloggers.  So, I 
>>> can't replicate what you are experiencing.
>>> 
>>> David
>>> 
>>> 
 On 01/10/2013, at 11:09 AM, Pat  wrote:
 
 AAarrrghh!  I just went back to the two browsers and started comparing the 
 comments on them: they are completely different! Two distinct populations. 
 This makes me wonder if it is an ABC tactic to divided responses by 
 browser, but I can't see the point in that.
 
 I will go soak my head for a while.
 Pat
 
 
 
> On 01/10/2013, at 11:03 AM, Pat  wrote:
> 
> On and off, there have been mutterings that Safari browser isn't quite up 
> to scratch. I had hoped this was all in the past, but now I encounter a 
> glaring example.
> 
> I discovered long ago that the ABC website doesn't handle Safari well at 
> all; I was not able to post a comment using Safari. I could post using 
> Firefox. I wrote several letters to the ABC, suggesting that they bring 
> their site up to scratch. Eventually they did something, and now the 
> problem is worse. I used to be able to see and respond to their polls 
> with Safari; now I can't.
> 
> But it gets worse. Last night, there was an opinion article that I wanted 
> to comment on, so I got out Firefox and did so. This morning, using 
> Safari as usual, I looked at the article and the comments: my comment was 
> not there, and the total of comments was 25.
> 
> So, fire up Firefox again, look at the site again. Firefox sees 54 
> comments, mine among them.
> 
> I go back to Safari, refresh the page, and look again: still 25 comments.
> 
> What is going on? Is this purely a Safari problem? An ABC site problem? 
> Or some weird combination of both?
> 
> I suppose the simple answer is just to use Firefox, but I don't like its 
> interface and it is rather stupid in other ways. It would be nice to be 
> able to trust what Safari shows me, but it seems to be unreliable.
> 
> I don't really expect a solution from WAMUG, mainly just felt like 
> venting - sorry about that.
> 
> Thanks,
> Pat
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Re: A knotty question

[Geoff and Kaye]

Pat

On 01/10/2013, at 12:36 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:

> May also be worth deleting cookies and resetting cache as well  if restart 
> doesn't fix it. 

As Daniel suggests, this is most likely to be a cache problem. If so clearing 
the caches in both browsers and trying again may well give you a consistent 
result. To clear the cache in Safari (on my version 5.0.5 anyway) go to the 
Safari menu and halfway down Empty cache. In Firefox (my version 3.6.13) it is 
in preferences/network - clear now button.

The other place that old pages can get "stuck" is your ISP's proxy. There is 
nothing that you can do about this as far as I know except to wait for it to 
clear.

Regards

Geoff
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Re: A knotty question

[Daniel Kerr]

May also be worth deleting cookies and resetting cache as well  if restart 
doesn't fix it. 

Kind regards
Daniel

Sent from my iPhone 5

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be disseminated, distributed or copied, that permission by the author be 
requested.

> On 1 Oct 2013, at 12:10 pm, Ronda Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Pat,
> 
> What version of Safari are you using.
> What version of OS X are you running... Mountain Lion?
> 
> I have the same report as David, both Safari 6.0.5 & Firefox 21.0 showing and 
> reporting exactly the same.
> So the problem I would suggest is with your installation of either Safari / 
> Firefox or OS X.
> 
> Have you restarted your computer, and still find both browsers not displaying 
> as they should, and what you have done to try and correct the problems?
> 
> Let us know details on versions etc and we will get back to you.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
> 
>> On 1 Oct 2013, at 11:37 am, David Nicholas  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Pat
>> 
>> I was very interested in your post.  I follow the news on the ABC and often 
>> read the opinion pieces.  So I checked the difference between Safari and 
>> Firefox just now, at about 11.34 WST.  I looked at the report on Anne 
>> Summers interview of Julia Guillard last night.
>> 
>> Both had 56 comments and started and ended with the same bloggers.  So, I 
>> can't replicate what you are experiencing.
>> 
>> David
>> 
>> 
>>> On 01/10/2013, at 11:09 AM, Pat  wrote:
>>> 
>>> AAarrrghh!  I just went back to the two browsers and started comparing the 
>>> comments on them: they are completely different! Two distinct populations. 
>>> This makes me wonder if it is an ABC tactic to divided responses by 
>>> browser, but I can't see the point in that.
>>> 
>>> I will go soak my head for a while.
>>> Pat
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 01/10/2013, at 11:03 AM, Pat  wrote:
 
 On and off, there have been mutterings that Safari browser isn't quite up 
 to scratch. I had hoped this was all in the past, but now I encounter a 
 glaring example.
 
 I discovered long ago that the ABC website doesn't handle Safari well at 
 all; I was not able to post a comment using Safari. I could post using 
 Firefox. I wrote several letters to the ABC, suggesting that they bring 
 their site up to scratch. Eventually they did something, and now the 
 problem is worse. I used to be able to see and respond to their polls with 
 Safari; now I can't.
 
 But it gets worse. Last night, there was an opinion article that I wanted 
 to comment on, so I got out Firefox and did so. This morning, using Safari 
 as usual, I looked at the article and the comments: my comment was not 
 there, and the total of comments was 25.
 
 So, fire up Firefox again, look at the site again. Firefox sees 54 
 comments, mine among them.
 
 I go back to Safari, refresh the page, and look again: still 25 comments.
 
 What is going on? Is this purely a Safari problem? An ABC site problem? Or 
 some weird combination of both?
 
 I suppose the simple answer is just to use Firefox, but I don't like its 
 interface and it is rather stupid in other ways. It would be nice to be 
 able to trust what Safari shows me, but it seems to be unreliable.
 
 I don't really expect a solution from WAMUG, mainly just felt like venting 
 - sorry about that.
 
 Thanks,
 Pat
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Re: A knotty question

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Pat,

What version of Safari are you using.
What version of OS X are you running... Mountain Lion?

I have the same report as David, both Safari 6.0.5 & Firefox 21.0 showing and 
reporting exactly the same.
So the problem I would suggest is with your installation of either Safari / 
Firefox or OS X.

Have you restarted your computer, and still find both browsers not displaying 
as they should, and what you have done to try and correct the problems?

Let us know details on versions etc and we will get back to you.

Cheers,
Ronni

Sent from Ronni's iPad4

> On 1 Oct 2013, at 11:37 am, David Nicholas  wrote:
> 
> Hi Pat
> 
> I was very interested in your post.  I follow the news on the ABC and often 
> read the opinion pieces.  So I checked the difference between Safari and 
> Firefox just now, at about 11.34 WST.  I looked at the report on Anne Summers 
> interview of Julia Guillard last night.
> 
> Both had 56 comments and started and ended with the same bloggers.  So, I 
> can't replicate what you are experiencing.
> 
> David
> 
> 
>> On 01/10/2013, at 11:09 AM, Pat  wrote:
>> 
>> AAarrrghh!  I just went back to the two browsers and started comparing the 
>> comments on them: they are completely different! Two distinct populations. 
>> This makes me wonder if it is an ABC tactic to divided responses by browser, 
>> but I can't see the point in that.
>> 
>> I will go soak my head for a while.
>> Pat
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 01/10/2013, at 11:03 AM, Pat  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On and off, there have been mutterings that Safari browser isn't quite up 
>>> to scratch. I had hoped this was all in the past, but now I encounter a 
>>> glaring example.
>>> 
>>> I discovered long ago that the ABC website doesn't handle Safari well at 
>>> all; I was not able to post a comment using Safari. I could post using 
>>> Firefox. I wrote several letters to the ABC, suggesting that they bring 
>>> their site up to scratch. Eventually they did something, and now the 
>>> problem is worse. I used to be able to see and respond to their polls with 
>>> Safari; now I can't.
>>> 
>>> But it gets worse. Last night, there was an opinion article that I wanted 
>>> to comment on, so I got out Firefox and did so. This morning, using Safari 
>>> as usual, I looked at the article and the comments: my comment was not 
>>> there, and the total of comments was 25.
>>> 
>>> So, fire up Firefox again, look at the site again. Firefox sees 54 
>>> comments, mine among them.
>>> 
>>> I go back to Safari, refresh the page, and look again: still 25 comments.
>>> 
>>> What is going on? Is this purely a Safari problem? An ABC site problem? Or 
>>> some weird combination of both?
>>> 
>>> I suppose the simple answer is just to use Firefox, but I don't like its 
>>> interface and it is rather stupid in other ways. It would be nice to be 
>>> able to trust what Safari shows me, but it seems to be unreliable.
>>> 
>>> I don't really expect a solution from WAMUG, mainly just felt like venting 
>>> - sorry about that.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Pat
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Re: A knotty question

[David Nicholas]

Hi Pat

I was very interested in your post.  I follow the news on the ABC and often 
read the opinion pieces.  So I checked the difference between Safari and 
Firefox just now, at about 11.34 WST.  I looked at the report on Anne Summers 
interview of Julia Guillard last night.

Both had 56 comments and started and ended with the same bloggers.  So, I can't 
replicate what you are experiencing.

David


On 01/10/2013, at 11:09 AM, Pat  wrote:

> AAarrrghh!  I just went back to the two browsers and started comparing the 
> comments on them: they are completely different! Two distinct populations. 
> This makes me wonder if it is an ABC tactic to divided responses by browser, 
> but I can't see the point in that.
> 
> I will go soak my head for a while.
> Pat
> 
> 
> 
> On 01/10/2013, at 11:03 AM, Pat  wrote:
> 
>> On and off, there have been mutterings that Safari browser isn't quite up to 
>> scratch. I had hoped this was all in the past, but now I encounter a glaring 
>> example.
>> 
>> I discovered long ago that the ABC website doesn't handle Safari well at 
>> all; I was not able to post a comment using Safari. I could post using 
>> Firefox. I wrote several letters to the ABC, suggesting that they bring 
>> their site up to scratch. Eventually they did something, and now the problem 
>> is worse. I used to be able to see and respond to their polls with Safari; 
>> now I can't.
>> 
>> But it gets worse. Last night, there was an opinion article that I wanted to 
>> comment on, so I got out Firefox and did so. This morning, using Safari as 
>> usual, I looked at the article and the comments: my comment was not there, 
>> and the total of comments was 25.
>> 
>> So, fire up Firefox again, look at the site again. Firefox sees 54 comments, 
>> mine among them.
>> 
>> I go back to Safari, refresh the page, and look again: still 25 comments.
>> 
>> What is going on? Is this purely a Safari problem? An ABC site problem? Or 
>> some weird combination of both?
>> 
>> I suppose the simple answer is just to use Firefox, but I don't like its 
>> interface and it is rather stupid in other ways. It would be nice to be able 
>> to trust what Safari shows me, but it seems to be unreliable.
>> 
>> I don't really expect a solution from WAMUG, mainly just felt like venting - 
>> sorry about that.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Pat
> 
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Re: A knotty question

[Pat]

AAarrrghh!  I just went back to the two browsers and started comparing the 
comments on them: they are completely different! Two distinct populations. This 
makes me wonder if it is an ABC tactic to divided responses by browser, but I 
can't see the point in that.

I will go soak my head for a while.
Pat



On 01/10/2013, at 11:03 AM, Pat  wrote:

> On and off, there have been mutterings that Safari browser isn't quite up to 
> scratch. I had hoped this was all in the past, but now I encounter a glaring 
> example.
> 
> I discovered long ago that the ABC website doesn't handle Safari well at all; 
> I was not able to post a comment using Safari. I could post using Firefox. I 
> wrote several letters to the ABC, suggesting that they bring their site up to 
> scratch. Eventually they did something, and now the problem is worse. I used 
> to be able to see and respond to their polls with Safari; now I can't.
> 
> But it gets worse. Last night, there was an opinion article that I wanted to 
> comment on, so I got out Firefox and did so. This morning, using Safari as 
> usual, I looked at the article and the comments: my comment was not there, 
> and the total of comments was 25.
> 
> So, fire up Firefox again, look at the site again. Firefox sees 54 comments, 
> mine among them.
> 
> I go back to Safari, refresh the page, and look again: still 25 comments.
> 
> What is going on? Is this purely a Safari problem? An ABC site problem? Or 
> some weird combination of both?
> 
> I suppose the simple answer is just to use Firefox, but I don't like its 
> interface and it is rather stupid in other ways. It would be nice to be able 
> to trust what Safari shows me, but it seems to be unreliable.
> 
> I don't really expect a solution from WAMUG, mainly just felt like venting - 
> sorry about that.
> 
> Thanks,
> Pat

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A knotty question

[Pat]

On and off, there have been mutterings that Safari browser isn't quite up to 
scratch. I had hoped this was all in the past, but now I encounter a glaring 
example.

I discovered long ago that the ABC website doesn't handle Safari well at all; I 
was not able to post a comment using Safari. I could post using Firefox. I 
wrote several letters to the ABC, suggesting that they bring their site up to 
scratch. Eventually they did something, and now the problem is worse. I used to 
be able to see and respond to their polls with Safari; now I can't.

But it gets worse. Last night, there was an opinion article that I wanted to 
comment on, so I got out Firefox and did so. This morning, using Safari as 
usual, I looked at the article and the comments: my comment was not there, and 
the total of comments was 25.

So, fire up Firefox again, look at the site again. Firefox sees 54 comments, 
mine among them.

I go back to Safari, refresh the page, and look again: still 25 comments.

What is going on? Is this purely a Safari problem? An ABC site problem? Or some 
weird combination of both?

I suppose the simple answer is just to use Firefox, but I don't like its 
interface and it is rather stupid in other ways. It would be nice to be able to 
trust what Safari shows me, but it seems to be unreliable.

I don't really expect a solution from WAMUG, mainly just felt like venting - 
sorry about that.

Thanks,
Pat
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