[wdvltalk] Re: Sun Gets Injunction in Microsoft Case

2002-12-27 Thread Peter Kinev
In places where I came from, Wall Street, CVS/pharmacy, GE, GM, and rest of 1000 big plus many tens of thousands smaller with exception of majority of ISPs and some posters on this list, the deployment platform of choice is Java based. In critical applications almost without exceptions the Java

[wdvltalk] Re: Sun Gets Injunction in Microsoft Case

2002-12-27 Thread Ross Clutterbuck
Peter: Whoa there!! Never meant to get anybody's back up, it's just that in my experience I've never seen or needed to touch Java and as a result never bothered to dig too deep. Now, as I don't work with, for in near Wall Street and the other examples you give, I was not aware of their

[wdvltalk] Re: Sun Gets Injunction in Microsoft Case

2002-12-27 Thread Stephen Caudill
Ross, No fault on your part, Peter only pops up once or twice a month to start flame wars and brag profusely about skills we mortals can't conceive... flame type=non-contributor bashing You know, I have never seen a URL in one of his sigs or any other supporting evidence that he actually

[wdvltalk] Re: Sun Gets Injunction in Microsoft Case

2002-12-27 Thread Cheryl D. Wise
Mark, Were they looking for 'classic' asp or asp.net? Both can run on Apache/*nix boxes. For 'classic' look at ChiliSoft (oops just went to get a url and discovered that Sun has purchased it and it is now call Sun ONE Active Server Pages but is still found at www.chilisoft.com}. Another option

[wdvltalk] Re: Sun Gets Injunction in Microsoft Case

2002-12-27 Thread Cheryl D. Wise
Peter, I don't think anyone has disputed that in the large mainframe corporate world Java is used extensively. That's the place it has found a home. Most of the people on this list however don't work in that world or if they do they work in a limited section of it related to the internet. There

[wdvltalk] Re: Sun Gets Injunction in Microsoft Case

2002-12-27 Thread John Nichel
Well, most of his points are valid...just his method of delivery is a bit off. I noticed a couple of people on this list talking about how Java was dead, or how it was useless. Those people are either mis-informed, or M$ sheep. While I will agree that Java has no place on HTLM pages (to

[wdvltalk] Re: Sun Gets Injunction in Microsoft Case

2002-12-27 Thread Ben Joyce
Java seems dead in the water as far as web (it's an overkill) and application (it's too slow) are concerned. However, should expect Java applications and games on mobile phones to do rather well. -Original Message- From: John Nichel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 27 December 2002

[wdvltalk] Re: Sun Gets Injunction in Microsoft Case

2002-12-27 Thread Jan Major
I use Java, primarily for graphics though, don't know if that's good or bad. About two years ago, Sun's statements predicted that JSP would become more useful than using CGI/PERL. I like it better than C, C++. Java works just as well, but much easier to work with. Jan JDVisions Why I believe

[wdvltalk] To display validation or not to display validation

2002-12-27 Thread Stephen Caudill
I have been coding valid web pages for around a year now and typically display links (or the wonderful w3c graphics ;) to the validator on my personal sites, but am hesitant to do so on business sites. Currently, I am working on a site that has valid xhtml strict and valid css and I would

[wdvltalk] Re: To display validation or not to display validation

2002-12-27 Thread rudy
david, what a wonderful summary very clearly explained rudy • The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM • To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version:

[wdvltalk] Re: To display validation or not to display validation

2002-12-27 Thread Cheryl D. Wise
Personally I don't think the image/link for validation belongs on a commercial site. If you want to 'brag' about it put someplace like the accessibility policy. Include that it is Section 509 and/or WAG validated as well which is more important to clients, especially those that deal with

[wdvltalk] Re: To display validation or not to display validation

2002-12-27 Thread Cheryl D. Wise
Oops, I meant Section 508 or whatever is its accessibility equivalent if you are outside the U.S. Cheryl D. Wise WiserWays Office: 713.353.0139 Mobile: 713.412.0406 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Cheryl D. Wise Personally I don't think the image/link for validation belongs