Peter, I don't think anyone has disputed that in the large mainframe corporate world Java is used extensively. That's the place it has found a home.
Most of the people on this list however don't work in that world or if they do they work in a limited section of it related to the internet. There the strengths of Java work against it. For the internet you don't generally need industrial strength or weight of Java. While Java based web services are going strong I doubt that many on this list use web services at all much less develop web services themselves. Vbscript and php are not designed to handle the same type of projects/programs for which Java is designed. They were created primarily for use on the web and as such more suited for the internet that true Java apps. I think SUN has realized this as much as anyone with the creation of jsp pages. The learning curve for web scripting languages is considerably less since neither is a true object oriented language such as Java. I found it offensive to told "It takes a serious flaw in technical background or in judgment to say what you are saying." because I don't choose to develop in Java. And no, I don't "want to know how". I made my choice of technologies to support based on the needs of my clients. Okay they aren't CVS Pharmacy, Wall Street or other huge enterprise company but smaller clients with limited means who don't need the same sort of website as Bank One or GM (which uses Flash for its website anyway). This list is about web design/development not business application development and that is what I addressed in responding to MOU's question about whether Java was 'dead' as a web development platform. Cheryl D. Wise WiserWays Office: 713.353.0139 Mobile: 713.412.0406 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: Peter Kinev In places where I came from, Wall Street, CVS/pharmacy, GE, GM, and rest of 1000 big plus many tens of thousands smaller with exception of majority of ISPs and some posters on this list, the deployment platform of choice is Java based. In critical applications almost without exceptions the Java is in the core of application. I converted numerous applications from ASP to Java and NEVER in other direction. I don't know whom you are kidding. It takes a serious flaw in technical background or in judgment to say what you are saying. I feel really sorry for you people. BTW, I can produce Web Services in Java without ANY hand written wrapper vs. MS proudly announced 20+ lines of code in .NET for SOAP envelope. Do you want to know how? Peter. ____ � The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM � ____ To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub ________________ http://www.wdvl.com _______________________ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [email protected] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
