Jospeh:
a three column with a header and footer
Bloody hell! I thought I told you to start off simple! This is a major piece
of CSS work Joseph, but it can be done. Just expect to be pulling your hair
out an awful lot.
Cheryl's right though - http://positioniseverything.net have done some great
Thanks Cheryl, that is quite some site! I see a very good, time-saving
template that should be perfect. The template idea is something I am only
just getting into.
Am I right that IDs can appear only once on each page?
So any repeats, like top and tail explanatory texts would have to be class
Wow! You all believe in giving Homework.Now I am spoilt for choice.
I'll probably take the first 3-col from p.i.e. that is confidently asserted
to work in almost everything.Though I'm wondering now about putting the
top and tail content in the middle column...
But I have promised to do
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.beertastic.co.ukcharset=%28detect+automatically%29doctype=%28detect+automatically%29
Hi there...
I've jsut been put forward for a job, provided I quickly clean up hte code
on ym home page to ensure that no errors are being kick up...
So, I
You use ID.
For simple rollovers I use CSS and don't worry about an ID.
For dropdowns I use Son of Suckerfish
http://www.htmldog.com/articles/suckerfish/dropdowns/
Cheryl D. Wise
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From: Joseph Harris
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 6:08 PM
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I've put the page up on
http://www.smilepoetryweekly.com/master%20-%20developing%20-%20css.htm
if you care to have a look you can see
Tris,
It says that the IMG tag cannot have the name attribute...
If that's correct, how do I do rollovers,
Try using the id attribute instead, I think that's considered valid.
and tell the javascript where to look?
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Umm, wouldn't we be right back at the span tag then? ;-)
Absolutely not! As rudy said, use a class for the h2. Don't style the
No you apply the class to the h2 or other toy.
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Umm, wouldn't we be right back at the span tag then? ;-)
I disagree, unless you are running a bunch of graphics apps 512 ram is
adequate on XP and more than 98 can use effectively.
My Son's XP Pro machine has 368 and he runs games on it. His machine is a
member of our domain (a hand me down and back-up in case one of the others
is out of service}.
OK, perhaps I'm not following this well. Are you saying that instead of
span class=poemTitle
we have
h2 class=poemTitle
for the headings which are also poemTitles? Also, if the poemTitle is not
second in importance in the page heirarchy, are we not obviating the
structural meaning of the
OK, perhaps I'm not following this well. Are you saying that ...
h2 class=poemTitle
for the headings which are also poemTitles?
yes, exactamundo
Also, if the poemTitle is not
second in importance in the page heirarchy, are we not obviating the
structural meaning of the heading tag?
I must be stammering or something today. This is what I said:
512 MB is sufficient to run XP in a workstation role.
Your reply:
I disagree, unless you are running a bunch of graphics apps 512 ram is
adequate on XP and more than 98 can use effectively.
Last time I looked, sufficient and
Structural meaning stays the same, it is the presentation that changes. all
it adds is usual style.
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From: Scott Glasgow
OK,
OK, that's what I was thinking. But, the way this thread (or this part of
it, anyway) got started was a comparison between
span class=poemTitleThe Raven/span
and
h2The Raven/h2
with respect to brevity. If we're now talking instead about
h2 class=poemTitleThe Raven/h2
I would say that
-Original Message-
From: Scott Glasgow
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 12:18 PM
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OK, perhaps I'm not following this well. Are you saying that instead of
span class=poemTitle
we have
h2 class=poemTitle
for the
I would say that 'tain't that much briefer, and I would still prefer the use
of span for this purpose, since it accomplishes the objective and requires
no adjustment or accommodation of the meaning of the heirarchical tags.
Call it a personal preference, if you wish, since either approach
Good point; I hadn't remembered or considered that. Must come from the
milieu in which I've worked for the last nine months. All of our pages use
NOINDEX, NOFOLLOW, and NOARCHIVE. Our apps are proprietary and non-public;
search engine ranking is not something we seek. Rather, we actively
Thank you all for a fascinating discussion. I was early aware of the H
value in SEs but hadn't appreciated the structure points.
Poems will mainly appear on their own pages so h1 is going to be right for
the title; class or ID will be needed because I use a distinct heading
style and IE,
Web pages are made up of block elements like div, hx (x being 1-6 like you
would use on a outline, remember those?), p, tables and lists. Inline
elements like table headers/data cells and span.
Mixed together you get a structured document that should make sense if you
look at it like that outline
I noticed that Cheryl's reworking of my first attempt used br / to set out
the poetry lines. Is there no equivalent to pre tag in css?
I haven't spotted anything, and finding it if it exists will mean looking,
well, I don't know... To br / a 100 line verse is not my idea of a fun
outing :-(
Joseph,
css has the equivalent of kerning, [word spacing] which may be useful to you
for poems, while the equivalent of pre is 'white-space' BUT support is
not universal..
white-space values: pre|nowrap|normal
eg: div.poem { white-space: pre; font-family: monospace; }
would cause text
On the other hand I see pre is still in the armoury (if html dog is to be
believed); please confirm it is ...please
Joseph
I noticed that Cheryl's reworking of my first attempt used br / to set
out
the poetry lines. Is there no equivalent to pre tag in css?
I haven't spotted anything,
Michael,
tomorrow I shall experiment with whitespace; it looks interesting. The ds
and the ul li I think I will give a miss to; it would be even more work
than br - though I admit there are poem forms that might respond well to
unusual setting.
Haiku may, I think, be considered something
well for long poems it will save untold keystrokes...
something else to add to your development to do list:
media and print style sheets, lol
- the only reason that was brought to mind is that WDVL in their write up on
print and media style sheets, used poetry as an example - you may find
You can use pre but the sample you had up for us to look at used br so
that's what I used.
Pre is an html tag and not css though you can actually style it if you
choose.
Cheryl D. Wise
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I will be leaving the group. I'm still waiting for surgery, so nothing
new yet.
I want to thank all of you on the list, please forgive me if I don't
name you personally, for helping me in so many ways to improve my web
development skills.
I've learned so many things from this group that I
Jac, you kick .. with your work. Your skills and talent are wonderful.
regards and best wishes.
Jan
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